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Ring-Maker [Worm/Lord of the Rings Alt-Power] [Complete]

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SaltyWaffles said:
I'm actually impressed that Krouse managed to resist the temptation to keep the ring or put it on. That's some respectable willpower right there.

And Coil...oh dear. He's just kicked the hornet's nest. And screwed over one of his most vital assets--his intelligence and temperance. Sooner or later, his subordinates are going to notice him coming apart at the seams.
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Its certainly a turn over of the usual fandom Herpaderpderp NOELLE derpaderp Krouse. Still definitely Krouse from canon though. Hmmm... I wonder if he may betray Coil and try to give the ring back for some reason or another. I can't think of any off hand besides Coil going ripshit insane and freaking Krouse out.

I wonder if the PRT will have to physically restrain Annatar, and if they even can considering how insensate with fury she is going to be.
 
BungieONI said:
Ohh aren't we all. The universe would be so much better if Coil spontaneously went poof.
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Oh, come on. He is not that bad...

So okay, I can't even convince myself of that :) But honestly having the one villain you all love to hate just go poof and disapper would be disappointing. I mean if its going to be his downfall, it needs to drag him all the way down.

Also I don't think this will be enough push to drive Taylor to the one. I would be honestly disappointed in her if that was all it took, to break that resolution to stay away from it. I mean I can see her screeming and shaking and driving everyone crazy with her zeal, but let's have more faifth in the girl. She is not quite that bad yet.

Now honestly if things keep devolving like they do I wouldn't be shocked if that were to happen by the end of this arc. Travelers appearing means that Noelle rampage probably is going to be a thing. And while I don't think it will happen in this arc, if ever, there is still S9 looming. Plenty of ammunition to shake the foundations of your world.
 
You know, I wonder when Taylor is going to make some mithril (or whatever) for Chevalier to incorporate into his armor/weapon. Given mithril's properties, it'd be very useful for him.

...hm. Given that mithril is really light but also incredibly tough, Taylor could make some mithril chainmail/light armor for her teammates--Clockblocker, Vista, Panacea, Aegis, Velocity, and Grue (Clockblocker, Panacea, and Vista in particular). Given that Clockblocker and Panacea have to get within touching distance of his targets to affect them, having armor capable of stopping bullets without slowing them down at all would be very useful. (Or Amy could make herself a suit of super-bio-power-armor....)

Hell, I imagine Eidolon and Legend would be happy to get mithril armor. Very light, extremely tough--it'd definitely help for situations where Eidolon can't afford to use one of his power slots on a Brute power, and Legend doesn't have super-toughness, so it'd help to protect him for times when he's vulnerable or taken by surprise. Indeed, mirthril armor for all of the Protectorate's squishy but high-tier capes (like Myrrdin) would be a huge boon. It'd take time, obviously, but it'd be worth it.

...and Taylor can make Grond, can't she? Oh, that would be cool. What about Saruman's staff? Would that give her telekinesis or something?

Given that Taylor should be able to make minor rings of power (not ones that Sauron or Celebrimor crafted, but lesser ones), could she make ones that granted their wearers things like regeneration?

And would it even be possible for Dragon to wear/use a Ring of Power? I feel like she's deserving of one--particularly one that would make her immune to Master effects and being controlled.

Can Taylor craft new Rings of Power? Ones that weren't made in Middle-Earth, but are entirely original? I feel like it should be possible--given that Sauron was able to craft the One in the first place, it stands to reason that additional rings can be made if one has the skill. He didn't craft more because he didn't need more.
 
WanderingAirhead said:
Oh, come on. He is not that bad...

So okay, I can't even convince myself of that :) But honestly having the one villain you all love to hate just go poof and disapper would be disappointing. I mean if its going to be his downfall, it needs to drag him all the way down.

Also I don't think this will be enough push to drive Taylor to the one. I would be honestly disappointed in her if that was all it took, to break that resolution to stay away from it. I mean I can see her screeming and shaking and driving everyone crazy with her zeal, but let's have more faifth in the girl. She is not quite that bad yet.

Now honestly if things keep devolving like they do I wouldn't be shocked if that were to happen by the end of this arc. Travelers appearing means that Noelle rampage probably is going to be a thing. And while I don't think it will happen in this arc, if ever, there is still S9 looming. Plenty of ammunition to shake the foundations of your world.
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Indeed, I'd be surprised if she made the One in response to just this. She'd be making it for the wrong reasons, and she would know it. I could see her making the One after she's given the remaining two of the Three to their bearers, for the sake of empowering herself and her fellow ring-bearers in the face of an overwhelming foe (like an Endbringer or the Slaughterhouse 9), though.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
...and Taylor can make Grond, can't she? Oh, that would be cool. What about Saruman's staff? Would that give her telekinesis or something?
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If you mean the warhammer of Morgoth Grond, that was made in the First Age and is out of her reach since she is limited to items explicitly constructed in the Second and Third Ages. She could make Grond the Battering Ram. Saruman's staff being an extension of himself I think, or at least something from the First Age is also out of her reach. I think.
 
I don't think Saruman's staff would be ut of her reach, but from my understanding the wizards abilities are their own, and not part of the artifacts they wield. They are sort of a mantle, note that Gandalf took over as white Wizard once Saruman turned rainbow, and it didn't involve changing staffs.

And if we were to go to truly ancient artifacts why not go all the way and craft the silmarills themselves. The world could really use their light. And also to self-desctruct even quicker, but that's neither here nor there :p

But the somewhat sad thing is I don't think there are really any more artifacts that could change the game more than power rings already did (aside for the one). I mean Taylor can craft a lot of stuff to help the Wards further (kinda curious she hadn't done so yet. I would expect her to give Sophia some nice bow, or some sort of weapon for Vista), but the truly groundbreaking stuff is already out of the bag here I think. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 
WanderingAirhead said:
But the somewhat sad thing is I don't think there are really any more artifacts that could change the game more than power rings already did (aside for the one). I mean Taylor can craft a lot of stuff to help the Wards further (kinda curious she hadn't done so yet. I would expect her to give Sophia some nice bow, or some sort of weapon for Vista), but the truly groundbreaking stuff is already out of the bag here I think. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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There is still some stuff left from the Second and Third Ages I think. Anglachel for example was a sword forged by Eol the Dark Elf, and that had a form of malevolence and also sentience. It mourned the innocent it had slain.

There is Glamdring, the sword Gandalf found in the Troll Cave known as Beater to the Goblins.

These items are lesser than the rings, but still have power of their own considering what they could do with the proper wielders like Aeglos does for Annatar. Granted I am not certain she can actually forge Glamdring, Orcist and Ringil(which lamed Morgoth for the rest of his existence) and Anglachel given I might be mistaken and they may have been forged in the First Age. She could also make Sauron's own mace which I don't know if it was ever named.
 
BungieONI said:
If you mean the warhammer of Morgoth Grond, that was made in the First Age and is out of her reach since she is limited to items explicitly constructed in the Second and Third Ages. She could make Grond the Battering Ram. Saruman's staff being an extension of himself I think, or at least something from the First Age is also out of her reach. I think.
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She can't make stuff from the First Age? Why not?
 
SaltyWaffles said:
She can't make stuff from the First Age? Why not?
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Dunno its what Lithos said in his FAQ on the front page.

E: Went back and reread them and there are exceptions, specifically it has to be a first age item that survived into the second and/or third age and does not seem out of place. I don't think Grond survived.
 
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@Lithos Maitreya : why can't Taylor make stuff from the First Age? I don't really understand the limitation. Wasn't Sauron around during the First Age? And if Taylor can make stuff that was made during the First Age but survived into the Second Age, why couldn't she make stuff that didn't survive into the Second Age? Especially since she can make stuff that Sauron never made or even saw.
 
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SaltyWaffles said:
@Lithos Maitreya : why can't Taylor make stuff from the First Age? I don't really understand the limitation. Wasn't Sauron around during the First Age? And if Taylor can make stuff that was made during the First Age but survived into the Second Age, why couldn't she make stuff that didn't survive into the First Age? Especially since she can make stuff that Sauron never made or even saw.
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I expect it'll make more sense by the end of this arc or the beginning of the next one.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
I'm actually impressed that Krouse managed to resist the temptation to keep the ring or put it on. That's some respectable willpower right there.
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I'll just note that we actually don't know whether Krouse put it on or not. The scene just cuts off with him strongly tempted to put it on, and he may well be lying to Coil about having put it on to cover himself, because Krouse did have express orders from Coil to NOT put it on under any circumstance.
 
If he pulled one of the Three on his finger he wouldn't be able to take it off, and certainly wouldn't be able to give it away. I mean judging by what was in Panacea interlude when he got her ring, I don't imagine anyone ever being able to give that up.
 
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Pax_Empyrean said:
"Ain't no fuckwords like Black Speech fuckwords 'cause Black Speech is only fuckwords." - J.R.R. Tolkien, probably
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That is actually pretty close to his opinion on the language apparently, since he intentionally designed it so that it was unpleasant for him to write/think/read about. Its why there are so few samples of it.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
I'm actually impressed that Krouse managed to resist the temptation to keep the ring or put it on. That's some respectable willpower right there.

And Coil...oh dear. He's just kicked the hornet's nest. And screwed over one of his most vital assets--his intelligence and temperance. Sooner or later, his subordinates are going to notice him coming apart at the seams.
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He's pretty focused when he needs to be. Mostly on Noelle, but I remember him working hard to get on the team in the interlude.
 
Really, Krouse was no more of a screw-up in this one than any bad guy ever is. As far as he knew, it was a jewelry heist or a Tinkertech heist. Potentially dangerous, but not out of bounds of reasonabilty. He executed his task competently, and he even showed what we know to be tremendous restraint in keeping from donning the Ring.

He had no reason to assume that stealing THIS piece of "Tinkertech" is any worse than stealing any other piece of (actual) Tinkertech.

Coil's screwed up, assuming that he made the kinds of foolish assumptions about overblown reports regarding dangers that he probably must have if Calvert got the "the Rings make you powerful" information from Protectorate reports on Annatar's "modules." "I know," thinks the supervillain, "I'll just assume that the report is accurate enough on how good these things are for me to want one, but discount all the warnings as overblown."

I do think it a bit hard to justify a claim that the Rings are impossible to remove for most people. Even Gollum wasn't wearing the One when we met him; he just was covetously treasuring it. Bilbo carried it for years, wearing it when being invisible was useful and doffing it when it wasn't. He was covetous of it, but he could take it off. Same with Frodo. Only Galadriel and the other ancient beings who'd worn theirs for centuries nonstop seemed so averse to merely taking it off that they couldn't bear to, even for a few moments.

I imagine even Coil could take off the Ring of Fire...but he won't be parted from it.
 
Segev said:
I do think it a bit hard to justify a claim that the Rings are impossible to remove for most people. Even Gollum wasn't wearing the One when we met him; he just was covetously treasuring it. Bilbo carried it for years, wearing it when being invisible was useful and doffing it when it wasn't. He was covetous of it, but he could take it off. Same with Frodo.
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We're talking (or should be, anway) about willingly giving a ring away, not keeping it in a pocket or on a chain instead of wearing it 24/7. So like you said, can take it off, but will not be parted from it.

Still bad examples though, since iirc Gollum didn't willingly relinquish the ring, the ring slipped from his finger because it grew tired of rotting in a damp cave and wanted to get back to it's awakening master. Bilbo and Frodo meanwhile were noted for their willpower, and even Frodo couldn't really give it up, in the end (albeit there were complicating circumstances).
 
Sam and Tom Bombadil both handed over the One, but Sam didn't have it very long and Tom is definitely a special case.

The dwarves of Durin's line typically handed their ring over to their heir just before they died, though there were exceptions. In Appendix A of Lord of the Rings, it says they 'seldom surrendered it [the Ring] until near death', suggesting that some of them either surrendered the ring before they were near death or died without surrendering the ring'. This is because dwarves were designed to resist mental domination, not because the Seven are easier to give up than the rest of the great rings.

The most impressive case is probably Cirdan, who freely handed the Ring of Fire to Gandalf about 2700 years after he got it.
 
BungieONI said:
They received the rings of Men, the rings that corrupted them were actually meant for them.
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Actually, all 16 Rings of Power that were not the Three or the One were made by the Elves, with Sauron's help and advice, for their own use. After Sauron made the One, he took back the 16 and redstributed them, Seven to the Dwarves and Nine to the Kings of Men, in order to corrupt those people.


SaltyWaffles said:
Can Taylor craft new Rings of Power? Ones that weren't made in Middle-Earth, but are entirely original? I feel like it should be possible--given that Sauron was able to craft the One in the first place, it stands to reason that additional rings can be made if one has the skill. He didn't craft more because he didn't need more.
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As @Lithos Maitreya has mentioned more than once, Taylor can theoretically craft new, original Rings of Power, but she's a couple centuries of practice away from having the skill to do so.
 
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