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[X] Let Unit-01 finish the job.

Having Shinji waver between consciousness and unconsciousness in the middle of a fight will get him killed. It's callous, but the number one priority right now is defeating the enemy and getting out of here, and we can deal with the consequences after that. Trying to find a solution that gets us the best of both worlds every time will eventually bite us.

Edit: Also, this is not going to be a long fight. The longer an Eva remains in berserk mode, the worse the results are after the fight is over, but the angel is already mostly defeated. Hopefully, Unit 1 will finish the job before Shinji gets melted.
 
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[X] Try to call Shinji back to consciousness.

Having a berserker on the rampage when we are not even sure if this is the full extent of the Angels capabilities is not something we need right now, will list my reasons for the first option.

1. Just because in the show 01 pulled a win when it went berserk, does not mean it will happen here, this is not the show, and circumstances from its berserk attempts from said show are dramatically different, the injuries 01 has suffered, and the Angel having weapons designed to breach AT-fields.

2. During the times it went berserk in the show (three from what I remember) it did not have a power cable, so unless I missed a section where they detached their power cables then Shinji should still be hooked up, if so the risk to the power cable itself goes up, thus putting us on a five minute time frame, if/when it is severed or damaged.

3. Mindless rage is not something that we ever want to depend on in a battle, even more so when its opponent is heavily geared towards CQC, Shinji only has the crossbow and the prog knife, a berserking EVA is not liable to use any of the tools on hand, and simply get close to the Angel with its hands, something that I would prefer to avoid.

4. Higher chance of 01 sustaining injuries, on top of the injuries it 01 already has, the 00/02 combination has four arms, each with a weapon, having the berserk EVA Bull-rush it, is guaranteed to get 01 more wounds, and with no instincts towards self preservation, or just simply to survive the battle, the risk towards 01, let alone Shinji rises to an unacceptable level.

5. Having 01 go berserk runs the risk of it absorbing Shinji, needles to say, this is not something I want to risk.
 
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Sutekh said:
Try ユイ、ユイ、助けてユイ！ instead. Google can't read romaji.
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I was mostly amused that Google identified that it was Japanese...and then did nothing with it.


Spart117MC said:
This is EVA, death is not necessarily the worst outcome here.
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Well, no, but it's the worst outcome that seems likely to me.
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Hopefully, Unit 1 will finish the job before Shinji gets melted.
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Possibly out of ignorance.
(Maybe I'll find time to watch one of the Rebuild movies some time in May.)


NedTheNanite said:
At least with the imposters merging together that seems to give more evidence towards the "Rei and Asuka are outside the simulation" theory, and thus they have avoided the worst of the mental anguish. Though with us, and potentially everyone else they know, being in a coma or something or the last week, they probably haven't avoided it altogether.
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If they're lucky, this simulation was time-dilated so the Angel could quickly discover what it needed to know and get to it. Though if we're relying on luck, there's a non-trivial change that it was time-dilated in the opposite direction.
 
[X] Let Unit-01 finish the job.

Probably best to stay quiet around the berserking Evangelion. Drawing the attention Shinji's biological mother right now seems like it might lead to a one-way trip to pancake-ville.
 
Lock93 said:
[X] Try to call Shinji back to consciousness.

Having a berserker on the rampage when we are not even sure if this is the full extent of the Angels capabilities is not something we need right now, will list my reasons for the first option.

1. Just because in the show 01 pulled a win when it went berserk, does not mean it will happen here, this is not the show, and circumstances from its berserk attempts from said show are dramatically different, the injuries 01 has suffered, and the Angel having weapons designed to breach AT-fields.

2. During the times it went berserk in the show (three from what I remember) it did not have a power cable, so unless I missed a section where they detached their power cables then Shinji should still be hooked up, if so the risk to the power cable itself goes up, thus putting us on a five minute time frame, if/when it is severed or damaged.

3. Mindless rage is not something that we ever want to depend on in a battle, even more so when its opponent is heavily geared towards CQC, Shinji only has the crossbow and the prog knife, a berserking EVA is not liable to use any of the tools on hand, and simply get close to the Angel with its hands, something that I would prefer to avoid.

4. Higher chance of 01 sustaining injuries, on top of the injuries it 01 already has, the 00/02 combination has four arms, each with a weapon, having the berserk EVA Bull-rush it, is guaranteed to get 01 more wounds, and with no instincts towards self preservation, or just simply to survive the battle, the risk towards 01, let alone Shinji rises to an unacceptable level.

5. Having 01 go berserk runs the risk of it absorbing Shinji, needles to say, this is not something I want to risk.
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1. These circumstances seem to be ones in which a drastic boost to combat ability is exactly what we need, I think. Unit 1 is being battered by an amalgamation with twice its mass and twice as many arms; even if said amalgamation can't fight well, that's a huge disadvantage. The berserk mode can close that gap, whereas trying to suppress it and wake Shinji up will leave him confused in the middle of the fight, only widening it.

2. Whether or not it has a power cable is irrelevant to these circumstances. If the Eva is destroyed, the presence of a power cable won't matter.

3. We're not "depending on mindless rage", we're depending on having a combatant who can actually fight. By the time the two fake Eva's merged, Shinji was at his wits end and incapable of fighting any longer. Waking him up from berserk mode in the middle of deadly combat will only make that worse.

4. Again, disorienting Shinji by waking him up will make him take more damage, not less. Furthermore, berserk Evas have a degree of accelerated healing, which means a berserk Unit 1 can take more punishment than normal.

5. As I stated earlier, the risk of that goes up the longer the fight goes on. The enemy is mostly defeated already, and so the berserk mode can probably end it fast.

Right now, Unit 1 is our only available unit. If it goes down, it's game over. Trying to wake Shinji up is an option dependent on the assumption that even if we pile on more disadvantages, we can still win. It is a very optimistic choice, and right now I do not think we can afford to be optimistic.
 
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[X] Try to call Shinji back to consciousness

Going berserk isn't going to be conducive for Shinji's already horrid mental health
 
In the case that we try to stop the berserk mode and succeed, what is the plan to actually win this fight? Unit 1 has already taken heavy damage. Shinji would be fighting without the power-up from going berserk, and with the disorientation of passing out and then suddenly waking up again in the middle of a fight, against an enemy that, at least in raw strength, has a significant advantage. On top of all that, he'd be doing this while clearly undergoing a mental breakdown. In an objective sense, is Shinji really likely to win this fight with all of those factors stacked up against him?

The decisions we, through Misato, have made up to this point, have boxed us in. Were the circumstances of the battle more in our favor, I would be more hesitant about using the berserk mode. But what's done is done; as we are right now, our survival hinges on Eva Unit 1 winning this brawl. Everything else comes after that.
 
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GreatWyrmGold said:
Cheering feels like something that a bystander watching Shinji kick the double-EVA's ass would do if they didn't realize what was going on.
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I admit it's mostly me as a reader wanting to get a reaction out of Gendo. But not only that- IC Misato is famous for her antics, and being more creepy than someone who's creeping her out might help her to cope with the stress, and maybe we'll debuff or distract the "shiva" since it also hears and understands us. Giving some form of approval to anything fighting for our sake is never a bad manners.
 
Some thoughts.

The fact of the matter as I see it is this, the 00/02 puppet has four arms, each holding a weapon specifically designed for breaching AT-fields, 01 is already suffering from injuries to the wound on its neck, the hole in its stomach, the nick in its side.

Having it rush the 00/02 puppet to engage in QCQ where it has all the advantages, weapons, twice the mass to use them, and more appendages to press its attack against 01, is frankly insane, even if the berserk 01 wins it will come at a heavy cost to the unit and without a doubt to Shinji himself, something that I find unacceptable.

Better to get him awake (if we can) and use the kit we equipped him with at the start of this battle, the crossbow has already proven to be more than effective against both the 00/02 puppet and the Angel itself, so instead of playing towards the Angels strengths, lets have Shinji keep his distance and take the puppet out and then the Angel itself, if not just taking the Angel itself out first.

Also retaining the ranged option will put him in a better position to deal with any other surprises that the Angel may have hidden away for emergencies.
 
Lock93 said:
Some thoughts.

The fact of the matter as I see it is this, the 00/02 puppet has four arms, each holding a weapon specifically designed for breaching AT-fields, 01 is already suffering from injuries to the wound on its neck, the hole in its stomach, the nick in its side.

Having it rush the 00/02 puppet to engage in QCQ where it has all the advantages, weapons, twice the mass to use them, and more appendages to press its attack against 01, is frankly insane, even if the berserk 01 wins it will come at a heavy cost to the unit and without a doubt to Shinji himself, something that I find unacceptable.

Better to get him awake (if we can) and use the kit we equipped him with at the start of this battle, the crossbow has already proven to be more than effective against both the 00/02 puppet and the Angel itself, so instead of playing towards the Angels strengths, lets have Shinji keep his distance and take the puppet out and then the Angel itself, if not just taking the Angel itself out first.

Also retaining the ranged option will put him in a better position to deal with any other surprises that the Angel may have hidden away for emergencies.
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On the other hand, with Unit 1's current injuries, can Shinji:
1. Successfully break out of the beginnings of a berserk episode
2. Comprehend what's going on immediately after waking up
3. Regain enough composure to fight right after pulling himself back from the brink, while also dealing with all of the stress and pain he's faced up to this point(remember, due to the lack of communication, they've been unable to cut his sync rate, so he's experienced a significant portion of the pain from all of the injuries his Eva has taken due to having a sync ratio in the 80's)
4. Successfully keep his distance from this enemy while dealing with all of the above issues
5. Successfully aim well enough to land shots while dealing with all of the above issues
6. Be in good enough shape to finish off the angel after dealing with the amalgamation, with all of the additional injuries he will likely take in the process

A berserk Evangelion is essentially equivalent to a pilot with a 100% sync ratio, immunity to the downsides of such, a total lack of hesitation to fight, and significantly greater strength and speed than normal. Yes, the berserk Unit 1 is likely to take hits, but it's also likely to disable the amalgamation very fast. It's particularly fond of dismemberment, and this enemy has more bits to rip off than most. Is close combat the most ideal way to fight this opponent? No, but I can trust the berserk mode to fight right now, and I can't trust Shinji; we take what we can get.

Edit: Another way of looking at this: Do you honestly think the amalgamation could beat Zeruel in melee combat? If it couldn't do that, then it can't beat a berserk Unit 1 in melee either.
 
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Lock93 said:
Some thoughts.

The fact of the matter as I see it is this, the 00/02 puppet has four arms, each holding a weapon specifically designed for breaching AT-fields, 01 is already suffering from injuries to the wound on its neck, the hole in its stomach, the nick in its side.

Having it rush the 00/02 puppet to engage in QCQ where it has all the advantages, weapons, twice the mass to use them, and more appendages to press its attack against 01, is frankly insane, even if the berserk 01 wins it will come at a heavy cost to the unit and without a doubt to Shinji himself, something that I find unacceptable.

Better to get him awake (if we can) and use the kit we equipped him with at the start of this battle, the crossbow has already proven to be more than effective against both the 00/02 puppet and the Angel itself, so instead of playing towards the Angels strengths, lets have Shinji keep his distance and take the puppet out and then the Angel itself, if not just taking the Angel itself out first.

Also retaining the ranged option will put him in a better position to deal with any other surprises that the Angel may have hidden away for emergencies.
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Berserker EVAs are incredibly OP, especially Unit 1. Zeruel, one of the strongest canon Angels (who had easily taken out Unit 0 and 2), was effortlessly ripped to shreds by a berserk Unit 1. The mental consequences are another issue, but a berserk EVA is one of (if not the) the strongest organisms on the planet.
 
Yeah, breaking Shinji out of the berserker state is not going to help us much here, even if we can - bear in mind, the Berserker state is the classic case of "The Failsafes Have Failed!".
 
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