Puella Magica Somniabunt Sanguinis [PMMM/Bloodborne]
- Thread starter Origami Clock
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Origami Clock
Right twice a day
- Location
- Brighton, UK
Humans are social creatures. Solitude can quite literally drive people insane. Homura just needed a reminder on what having a proper friend (that she wasn't manipulating) felt like. It certainly helped a lot that they met when they did, when Homua had her defences lowered and couldn't run away. After that...well, she'd been ensnared, and she won't be cutting herself off unless she feels a need to.
Ruby is helpful as well as cute, remember.
Ruby is helpful as well as cute, remember.
Well yeah, we give the best hugs. Those are always helpful and cute.
... Well except to Jade Agni, but she was broken so hard mentally she got literal brain damage from it, so she get's some headpats, enough drugs to kill an elephant, and then a new body that doesn't have brain damage.
Anyway, hmm... Yeah, I got nothing except snark and jokes. *Shrug*
Dragonjackel
GOLDEN Judgement
- Location
- Gregory House
Perhaps I've drunken too much of the PMAS koolaid but... while I still understand Homu's POV and situation, and the how and why of it all, to have forsaken Mami is still seen as a Sin in my warped perception; however Minor it is made by the how and why.
... Yes, you have drunk way too much of the PMAS kool-aid.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
So i've been thinking that we need our own minions, something small and something big like the Shark Giants. So I looked around and found just the thing
I've seen that around before, I actually really do not like the aesthetic of those things at all in the first place. And then there's the fact that you're suggesting them for Ruby. As in Annalise's daughter.
... If I could veto those things, I would. Those look like they belong in the Swamp or Hemwick more than the Castle, our Garden, or Papa's Moon.
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... I'm guessing that instead of Homucifer we get Homthulu, cause I'm up for that.
I wonder how a theoretical wish to open a stable portal to the Rose's home would go, although that seems like a last resort/nuke option, what with the possibility of surprise Amygdala interrupts occurring( and just other eldritch stuff or full on corruption of the surrounding land ). But we could also possibly get the greatly anticipated and wished for Great ones Vs Incubators.
Origami Clock
Right twice a day
- Location
- Brighton, UK
I have nothing to say on this point that would not be spoilers...well, I suppose I can tell you one thing. Don't let the bell ring, nothing good will come of it.
Yeah, I can see a thousand ways of that going wrong, for such an easy path it's definitely too good to be true.
This is actually getting me worried about if the incubators will decide to interfere more liberally.
I wonder, do witches have Blood echoes or just a grief equivalent.
Takareer
Words and feathers
- Location
- Ontario, Canada
You switch between second and third person here, and in a few other places. Is this intentional?
Origami Clock
Right twice a day
- Location
- Brighton, UK
the first was homu referring to Ruby, the second was just my brain failing to work properly. Generally, her (unless I screwed up) is referring to Ruby, or possibly Hitomi depending on circumstances. I've just gone through the update, and I think I've got all the misplaced tenses fixed.
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Takareer
Words and feathers
- Location
- Ontario, Canada
In an unrelated matter, I forgot to thank you for following through with my request and making longer chapters. Thank you!
Origami Clock
Right twice a day
- Location
- Brighton, UK
Happy to provide. I'm always up for more procrastination while I try not to think about my project deadline.
So, just give them suits and uniforms.
Dress them up like bellhops and butlers, maybe a knight or two.
HymnOfRagnarok
Let's Rock
It's less that I think it's impossible for them to get along, it's that I think Homura is going to keep screwing it up. And since Ruby is following Homura's lead, we're probably mostly going to do damage control on Homura's actions.
Case in point...
Damn it Homura!
I want to say she's being a dumbass, but it's not like this is OOC. Especially since Ruby and the magic from her side of the crossover is still relatively new and untested. Meanwhile Kyubey is guaranteed to pull out the magic.
But ignoring the social and ethical ramifications of manipulating or outright forcing Hitomi in a contract, I am hard pressed to call this anything but stupid. And I do not like applying that term to a good author's work, because first it usually means I've missed something important, and second because it's rude, but it's really hard to see why Homura thinks it would work.
Hitomi's apparent stealth abilities are great because it makes her unknown and undetactable.
Why does Homura think alerting Kyubey to Hitomi's potential is going to help? I see two possibilities. One, Kyubey is going to realize the trick and that Hitomi is worth contracting, and thus be forewarned of the stealth mage's biggest advantage. Hitomi would be far more effective as a complete unknown that Kyubey is unaware even exists, or that she had potential. Homura should know this; by WOG, her timestop powers work best when nobody knows about them. If Kyubey knows Hitomi's abilities prior to contract, well he's certainly going to come up with countermeasures.
Especially considering how blatantly hostile Homura is, and how she kept him from getting close to the girls before. Kyubey is not stupid, he can see a trap perfectly well.
Two? Kyubey somehow doesn't figure it out, and therefore has no reason to offer a contract in the first place unless Homura somehow makes it worth his while. And there's not much Homura can offer short of unacceptable things like, "Stop killing me, let me approach Madoka, convince Madoka and/or Sayaka to become magical girls."
Yeah, congrats, I hadn't considered this angle. Homura really can do something unforgivable to even Ruby.
Homura you idiot.
Yeah I can't hold it in, this entire plan revolves around getting Kyubey to contract Hitomi, and Kyubey never finding a way to use Homura's moral ambiguity against her and alienate Ruby.
This is easy too. Bunnycat uses Mami as a cat's paw to relay the information to Ruby. Bam, done, practically nothing Homura can do to stop it short of killing Mami outright.
Homura has got to have been burned by these tactics before too.
*glares*
I dunno Homura, how successful has selling your friends up the river been so far?
Sometimes hard men making hard decisions and hard sacrifices just means being an idiot and pissing away everything.
And Homura has picked up the magic/potential sensing remarkably quick.
She says after this...
Anyway, annoyance at Homura aside...
That's pretty stunning progress for Homura, but considering Ruby comforted Homura at her emotional nadir, Ruby got to skip the long, long, long process of convincing Homura to open up at all.
Well, long for anyone not Madoka at least.
Honest. The word you're looking for is honest. Homura can ask Ruby nearly any question and get an honest answer.
I am utterly unsurprised that Homura doesn't remember it. She's probably not used to dealing with someone who wears her heart and her crazy on her sleeve.
Homura's probably used to having to play the long game against everyone's personalities, and that's almost completely unecessary with Ruby.
That is a very poignant mental image.
Though if Homura keeps following her current line of thought, she might prove herself to be someone even an eldritch abomination can't tolerate or forgive.
Especially since right now Ruby thinks the girls are Homura's children, and Homura just giving one of them up to the vermin for an advantage is.....actually considering Ruby had good parents, this may be mindbreaking to her.
We'll probably be spending the rest of the Quest trying to fix or work around the divide between Homura and Ruby.
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... Hymn makes good points. Especially that very last one.
Homura is both their parent(s? Great Ones are weird. Eternal Ones are worse) and their Spider.
Ruby would go fucking ballistic. Congrats Homura, you might just be an Eternal One, you just mind broke a Great One.
Homura is both their parent(s? Great Ones are weird. Eternal Ones are worse) and their Spider.
Ruby would go fucking ballistic. Congrats Homura, you might just be an Eternal One, you just mind broke a Great One.
... *Rubs eyes* If you can't see the problem with that, I'm... Yeah, I'm not doing this.
HymnOfRagnarok
Let's Rock
It may be worse for Homura is Ruby manages to hold herself together. Remember when Ruby told Homura that if Ruby became a monster worse than vermin, she'd want Homura to kill her?
I can see Ruby going, "I'd rather die trying to stop you than live with helping you."
I don't think that would break Homura. She's come too far and done too many horrible things for just that to do her in.
But it would definitely kick her up a few notches on the Suffering meter.
Seems about right.
Origami Clock
Right twice a day
- Location
- Brighton, UK
I thought SV could do with a little reminder that her semi-crippling PTSD is still going to be a thing, no matter how many comfy hugs Ruby administers. She is very definitely the sort of person who leans towards hard choices just because they're hard choices, for all sorts of reasons. She can get better, but it's going to take a good while yet until she can put all her peices back together.
Just to reassure everyone, I'll say that what she did next wasn't particularly nice for several of the characters involved in the quest, but it wasn't unforgiveable either.
I wonder, if I was to start the next update in the same way as the prologue, how many of you would vote to just comfort her, and how many of you would try to get Ruby to ask why she was crying?
OoC info affects the vote of course, but... Hmm, probably try to get it out of her (while hugging her?), and if we can't even then, then we would default to comforting her anyway. Probably.
- Location
- Blocksberg
I... kinda have to question the characterization of Homura in the interlude. AFAIK, she always advocates against contracting. Always. Her coercing Hitomi (one of Madoka's best friends) into contracting, at the risk of alienating her first true ally in literal years, all because of the slim chance that maybe she'll be useful? Based on a single statement by said ally, whose magic is fuckin' strange and doesn't work on the same principles as her own? It just doesn't fit with what I've seen of Homura's character. It feels a bit like she's slipping into the "Machiavellian hardass" fanon characterization.
Forcing girls into contracting is, I think, one of the few things Homura will never, ever do. Why? Because of Madoka. In the third loop, Madoka asks Homura to never let Kyubey trick her again. That scene is pretty much Homura's defining moment. It influences her actions and thought processes for years afterwards, and she'll probably never get over the trauma. Doing pretty much the exact thing that a dying Madoka begged her to prevent, to one of Madoka's best friends? Yeeaahhh, doubtful.
Plus, while Hitomi might be good at screwing with Kyubey, she wouldn't be useful against Walpurgis. Her magic appears to be stealth-based, and vs a nigh-unkillable super Witch, that is about as effective as a 9mm against a tank.
Of course, this all supposes that Homura is planning on getting Hitomi contracted in the first place. The interlude was purposefully vague about Homura's decision, so she could be planning something else.
Forcing girls into contracting is, I think, one of the few things Homura will never, ever do. Why? Because of Madoka. In the third loop, Madoka asks Homura to never let Kyubey trick her again. That scene is pretty much Homura's defining moment. It influences her actions and thought processes for years afterwards, and she'll probably never get over the trauma. Doing pretty much the exact thing that a dying Madoka begged her to prevent, to one of Madoka's best friends? Yeeaahhh, doubtful.
Plus, while Hitomi might be good at screwing with Kyubey, she wouldn't be useful against Walpurgis. Her magic appears to be stealth-based, and vs a nigh-unkillable super Witch, that is about as effective as a 9mm against a tank.
Of course, this all supposes that Homura is planning on getting Hitomi contracted in the first place. The interlude was purposefully vague about Homura's decision, so she could be planning something else.
Origami Clock
Right twice a day
- Location
- Brighton, UK
I suspect a little of MGNQ bled in there, to be honest. It is the golden (unintentional pun I promise) example of how to do a 'barely functional only through determination and spite' Homura, which is my prefered take on the character. Ah well, I've never pretended that I'm not a hack.
I'll have a look at it tomorrow and see if I can fit a small rewrite in. I miss having betas. If there was one thing spacebattles was good for, it was a near endless supply of people with free time willing to be very pedantic about things. Anyway, semi-lucid rambling over, goodnight SV.
... I can't tell if that was a shot at me or not.
... No, I don't have any faith in humanity.
Anyway, on the one hand, Templar has a point about loop 3. On the other, Hitomi isn't Madoka and Homura has basically all but given up on trying to save anyone but her. I could very easily see her thinking it, because she is a hard girl who's been doing hard things for far too long, but being unable to follow through.
... No, I don't have any faith in humanity.
Anyway, on the one hand, Templar has a point about loop 3. On the other, Hitomi isn't Madoka and Homura has basically all but given up on trying to save anyone but her. I could very easily see her thinking it, because she is a hard girl who's been doing hard things for far too long, but being unable to follow through.