Actually... going to Mitakihara without at least knowing the local magical girl will be really fruitless.

[X] Nervos Belli
 
I am partial to both positions so I don't even know how to vote.

[jk] Sneak up behind girl and boisterously challenge her to tea brewing contest!
 
[x] Muramasa


Honestly, I don't understand all this "Mami! Mami!" hype.
She's not Super-Sempai. She's a troubled girl, who trying to jutify her existence through people-saving.
And we already have bunch of girls like her.
I think that dealing with our harem friends problems is more important than acquire new trouble friend.

She's powerful and experienced, yes, but we already have Uncle and Catherine.
And Mami know nothing about QB System.

Cake is a lie.

The premise is a lot less fair that you're suggesting :V.

Hm, what does that means?
I think that means that fight would be really short. But who would be winner?
It's entirely possible that Catherine's not so good in straight fight.
 
Honestly, I don't understand all this "Mami! Mami!" hype.
She's not Super-Sempai. She's a troubled girl, who trying to jutify her existence through people-saving.
And that's admirable. The stuff of heroes, really.
I think that dealing with our harem friends problems is more important than acquire new trouble friend.

She's powerful and experienced, yes, but we already have Uncle and Catherine.
And Mami know nothing about QB System.

Cake is a lie.
If you think of people as simply being burdens that bring trouble, then we should have never befriended all these characters in the first place.

Being friends with powerful people is great, and the more powerful friends we have, the better.

By meeting Mami, we're helping Kishi get over her paranoia over meeting new Guca, and once we're friends, Mami and Tamiko will act as extra safety nets for each other once the bombs drop. This isn't just "Mami! Mami!" Hype you know.
 
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This isn't just "Mami! Mami!" Hype you know

You sure?

Out of character, MAMI MAMI MAMI MAMI MAMI!


If you think of people as simply being burdens that bring trouble, then we should have never befriended all these characters in the first place.

We befriended them mostly because we saw them in trouble and decided to help.
I see Tamiko not as "befriend them all!" collector, but as "You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed" person.

1. Help your friends.
2. Help people in trouble.
3. Socialize and try to be happy.

And right now Kishi need help.
Explain her that there is good megucas first, befriend Mami later.

Being friends with powerful people is great, and the more powerful friends we have, the better.

I always prefer quality to quantity.
I trust Uncle more than Mami.
 
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There's a reason why I put "isn't just" there, ya know?
We befriended them mostly because we saw them in trouble and decided to help.
I see Tamiko not as "befriend them all!" collector, but as "You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed" person.

1. Help your friends.
2. Help people in trouble.
3. Socialize and try to be happy.

And right now Kishi need help.
Explain her that there is good megucas first, befriend Mami later.
And by meeting Mami, we're fulfilling 1, 2, and 3. This is primarily to help Kishi get over her paranoia since no amount of logic can beat paranoia. She needs to see that her paranoia is in fact, wrong before we can make any headway.
I always prefer quality to quantity.
I trust Uncle more than Mami.
We aren't losing any quality by adding quantity. Rather, we're improving both aspects of our support network.
 
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And by meeting Mami, we're fulfilling 1, 2, and 3. This is primarily to help Kishi get over her paranoia.
Or we just strengthen this paranoia because this unknown meguca turns out to be viciously territorial. Never forget to account for possible AU.
And as I say:
Explain her that there is good megucas first, befriend Mami later.



We aren't losing any quality by adding quantity. Rather, we're improving our support network.

We are just one person, the more friends we have - the less time we spend bonding with each of them.
And I prefer strengthen this bonds and deal with Mariko-Kishi and Evelyn-megucas troubles before adding new elements into support network.
 
Or we just strengthen this paranoia because this unknown meguca turns out to be viciously territorial. Never forget to account for possible AU.
We're in public. If this AU Mami is as vicious as you say she is, she would have attacked by now when our guard's down.

Explanations won't do anything to paranoia. You need to demonstrate first.
We are just one person, the more friends we have - the less time we spend bonding with each of them.
And I prefer strengthen this bonds and deal with Mariko-Kishi and Evelyn-megucas troubles before adding new elements into support network.
You seem to be under the assumption only Tamiko has agency, and that only Tamiko can solve problems. Our Uncle and Cathy are adults, and Mami's an experienced veteran. Between the three of them, their collective wisdom can do us and our friends wonders when it comes to mundane and magical matters.

The time we spend bonding with Mami will be small because of sheer distance so we should take what small chances we are presented with. We have demonstarted the ability to bond with a good majority, if not all, of our allies at the same time. Just look at what we're doing now. I fail to see how adding one person will ruin that.
 
[x] Heed Kishi and stay here.
-[x] Maintain hugs.
-[x] Talk with your friends.
--[x] I don't know. I can kinda understand it... I know magical girls can be dangerous. But at the same time, some of the best friends I ever had were magical girls. I never would have met Kishi or Ariane if I didn't take that chance. And they are such wonderful friends. I could never regret that. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. So maybe... just maybe that girl is another Kishi or another Ariane or maybe she's a girl that wants friends just as much as I do. Maybe she isn't. But maybe she is. But nothing is going to happen if I don't take that chance.
 
A little thought.

If somewhere in the future Tamiko gain information that Walpurgisnacht will come to Mitakihara. What do we do?
 
One seems to be optimistic, while the other seems to be pessimistic.

Well, that's fitting, don't you think?
Madoka is trying to help and befriend everyone.
I'm pointing at everything that can possibly go wrong.

We're in public. If this AU Mami is as vicious as you say she is, she would have attacked by now when our guard's down.

I'm not sure that she noticed us at all.
Also destroying her favourite cafe because trespassers are here is stupid. She probably planning to snipe us when we left the cafe.

Just a fair warning: if we actually talk with her and she invite us to her home, I will warn you that cake is probably poisoned.

You seem to be under the assumption only Tamiko has agency, and that only Tamiko can solve problems.

Well, only Tamiko has power of protagonist magical hugs. :V
 
A little thought.

If somewhere in the future Tamiko gain information that Walpurgisnacht will come to Mitakihara. What do we do?
Help.

Kazamino is right next to Mitakihara. Once Mitakihara falls, Kazamino falls with it.

Even if it wasn't, I don't think Tamiko can stomach the thought of letting people die when she could have helped.
I'm not sure that she noticed us at all.
Also destroying her favourite cafe because trespassers are here is stupid. She probably planning to snipe us when we left the cafe.
Invisitext earlier suggests that she did notice us.

And if by poisoned, you mean so delicious it might as well be mind control, I'll agree. Mamiplomacy is Best! :p

Well, only Tamiko has power of protagonist magical hugs. :V
Ah, but this quest was inspired by Sayaka Quest! Limb loss is inevitable! :lol
 
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If somewhere in the future Tamiko gain information that Walpurgisnacht will come to Mitakihara. What do we do?

Warn Mitakihara's megucas of course and prepare to give our and our friends lives for the city.

Invisitext earlier suggests that she did.
"...This is just awkward."
"I-isn't it rude to listen in, though?"
"I can't help it..."


I'm not sure that it's Mami. Who's she talking to? QB?

And if by poisoned, you mean so delicious it might as well be mind control, I'll agree. Mamiplomacy! :p

Aha! Mind control! Only Tamiko has a right to brainwash someone! :V
 
"...This is just awkward."
"I-isn't it rude to listen in, though?"
"I can't help it..."
I can practically smell the desperation for friendship on the last sentence. Sounds like Mami.

Could be a Newbie OC, or Kyoko, or Momo, or Sayaka, or Hitomi, or -godforbid- Madoka. Really, Mami could be talking to anyone because the Quest is slightly AU.
 
To be honest, even if going after her works out well, it will STILL up Kishis paranoia. Just because it turned out OK doesn't account for the fact that we, IC, went in without knowing ANYTHING. Imagine if we went right up to bitch-mode Kyouko and started saying hello we are meguca. That is what we're doing from Kishis standpoint every time we do this out of the blue. From her viewpoint, this isn't reassuring her, It's playing Russian Roulette, multiple times in a row without spinning again.

We need to figure out what exactly caused Kishis irrational fear of every single meguca in the world first to get past this, which will take time. So this situation really is one of 'You can't have your cake and eat it'. Either we add to Kishis mounting worries and continue to put it on the backburner, or we see Mami and...can't really meet up in person as much. She'll still have friends, which is no doubt important, and will help her a great deal, but it wouldn't really help as much as I think we suspect it would.

Also, part of me senses a GM trap. Mami is a Big Deal, and that makes me suspicious. So I have a feeling that going after her may end up being some kind of last straw for kishi or something. From kishis POV, we keep putting ourselves in risky situations, and keep telling her not to worry without changing what we actually DO a great deal. Think about how the Mariko incident went: We almost lost kishi because we didn't separate ourselves from Mariko before telling her about everything. Even then she wouldn't have taken it well. If we go sprinting off after someone even after she's strongly given all her fears and warnings, that's probably going to Hurt, since we're not really listening to her. And you may say, What about Cathy? She was on edge for that entire training segment, and probably only really went through with it because it was somebody who our Uncle (A person she knew) was acquainted with. Heck, she's probably still terrified of her.

[x] Heed Kishi and stay here.
-[x] Maintain hugs.
-[x] Talk with your friends.
--[x] I don't know. I can kinda understand it... I know magical girls can be dangerous. But at the same time, some of the best friends I ever had were magical girls. I never would have met Kishi or Ariane if I didn't take that chance. And they are such wonderful friends. I could never regret that. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. So maybe... just maybe that girl is another Kishi or another Ariane or maybe she's a girl that wants friends just as much as I do. Maybe she isn't. But maybe she is. But nothing is going to happen
if I don't take that chance.
 
I can practically smell the desperation for friendship on the last sentence. Sounds like Mami.

So, she listened our conversation in the burger place, followed us when we shopping and now she is in this cafe...
I sense stalker, people! Be very careful.

Or maybe this invisetexts is other group who planning to kill Mami and steal her territory...
Or it's Walpurgis herself already here and talking with herself...
Or it's Clara dolls...
 
To be honest, even if going after her works out well, it will STILL up Kishis paranoia. Just because it turned out OK doesn't account for the fact that we, IC, went in without knowing ANYTHING. Imagine if we went right up to bitch-mode Kyouko and started saying hello we are meguca. That is what we're doing from Kishis standpoint every time we do this out of the blue. From her viewpoint, this isn't reassuring her, It's playing Russian Roulette, multiple times in a row without spinning again.
We're in public. That alone ensures that the bullet doesn't even reach the barrel of the gun. This isn't playing Russian Roulette, we're going in there with precautions.
We need to figure out what exactly caused Kishis irrational fear of every single meguca in the world first to get past this, which will take time. So this situation really is one of 'You can't have your cake and eat it'. Either we add to Kishis mounting worries and continue to put it on the backburner, or we see Mami and...can't really meet up in person as much. She'll still have friends, which is no doubt important, and will help her a great deal, but it wouldn't really help as much as I think we suspect it would.
Isolation does terrible things to a person's mind.

I can tell you from personal experience that having someone talk to me even once made my entire month. It's pathetic, I know, but that's just what happens.

What Mami has is a whole lot worse.

Besides, distance is no issue with telepathy. We can keep in touch if we want to.
Also, part of me senses a GM trap. Mami is a Big Deal, and that makes me suspicious. So I have a feeling that going after her may end up being some kind of last straw for kishi or something. From kishis POV, we keep putting ourselves in risky situations, and keep telling her not to worry without changing what we actually DO a great deal. Think about how the Mariko incident went: We almost lost kishi because we didn't separate ourselves from Mariko before telling her about everything. Even then she wouldn't have taken it well. If we go sprinting off after someone even after she's strongly given all her fears and warnings, that's probably going to Hurt, since we're not really listening to her. And you may say, What about Cathy? She was on edge for that entire training segment, and probably only really went through with it because it was somebody who our Uncle (A person she knew) was acquainted with. Heck, she's probably still terrified of her.
Let her vent that pent up anger and frustration instead of letting it build up inside.

It's good for her, doubly so for Meguca.
 
"...This is just awkward."
"I-isn't it rude to listen in, though?"
"I can't help it..."


I'm not sure that it's Mami. Who's she talking to? QB?
That's the group of girls sitting next to you in the restaurant, politely trying to ignore your loud conversation about snorkels on the Moon, and failing spectacularly.
Hmm... @DrZiztah we facing against walpurgisnacht before Homura loop right?
Not unless you fuck up spectacularly.
 
We're in public. That alone ensures that the bullet doesn't even reach the barrel of the gun. This isn't playing Russian Roulette, we're going in there with precautions.
Yes, but that's not how Kishi sees it. It's an irrational fear, logic doesn't hugely factor into it.
Isolation does terrible things to a person's mind.

I can tell you from personal experience that having someone talk to me even once made my entire month. It's pathetic, I know, but that's just what happens.

What Mami has is a whole lot worse.

Besides, distance is no issue with telepathy. We can keep in touch if we want to.
These ARE good arguments for Mami. And I won't say that Mami is a bad choice, outside of personal opinions on which to choose right now.

I'm just saying that this is a situation where, as I said, we can't both have our cake and eat it. Mogu Mogu : V

Let her vent that pent up anger and frustration instead of letting it build up inside.

It's good for her, doubly so for Meguca.
This is a terrible idea, because that's not how it works. When you reach breaking point like that, you don't just vent: That's doing it in a calm, rather controlled manner. When you reach breaking point, you explode, and end up doing or saying things that you don't mean because honestly, in that moment, you just want to lash out.

This would not be good for her, it would just do something that leads to her building greif.

Will it be fatal for friendship/Ship ending? Probably not. But don't just think 'Eh she'll be Fiiiiiiine'. That's ignoring her issues, which is pretty shitty.

I also recognise I was probably being way, way too uncaring about Mami's issues, and for that, I apologise. As stated, I DO think this will help her, but it's not a situation where one's a Good option and the other a Bad one.

That's the group of girls sitting next to you in the restaurant, politely trying to ignore your loud conversation about snorkels on the Moon, and failing spectacularly.
But Ziiiiiz, non main characters in restaurants are supposed to be ignorant of the goings on of protagonists :V
 
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Yes, but that's not how Kishi sees it. It's an irrational fear, logic doesn't hugely factor into it.
And that's why we're going to demonstrate that her fears are wrong again and again and again.

To do otherwise is to give in to that paranoia, and better we refute it even if she doesn't accept the results.
These ARE good arguments for Mami. And I won't say that Mami is a bad choice, outside of personal opinions on which to choose right now.

I'm just saying that this is a situation where, as I said, we can't both have our cake and eat it. Mogu Mogu : V
*Shakes fist*

Likewise, I don't believe either is a bad choice. I'm just going with what I think is the better option. This is a one time opportunity after all, who knows when we'll get another chance with everything that's been going on?
This is a terrible idea, because that's not how it works. When you reach breaking point like that, you don't just vent: That's doing it in a calm, rather controlled manner. When you reach breaking point, you explode, and end up doing or saying things that you don't mean because honestly, in that moment, you just want to lash out.

This would not be good for her, it would just do something that leads to her building greif.

Will it be fatal for friendship/Ship ending? Probably not. But don't just think 'Eh she'll be Fiiiiiiine'. That's ignoring her issues, which is pretty shitty.
Screams and rage make a person feel empty and regretful after the experience. Regret is important because it makes them go "I shouldn't have done that, what did I do wrong?" and that should point to her being overly paranoid. For people with very little in the way of relationships, they'll find fault in themselves instead of others.

We have the Grief Seeds to spare for such an event. It'll be dangerous, but it's worth it. The first step to solving a problem is accepting it's a problem in the first place, and this is the only way I could think of that will help Kishi do so.
 
I just want to gain something from this trip to Mitakihara because i've been wondering what are we even doing here, all of this activity can be achieve in Kazamino.
 
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And that's why we're going to demonstrate that her fears are wrong again and again and again.

To do otherwise is to give in to that paranoia, and better we refute it even if she doesn't accept the results.
Not really. This is like Hitting a square peg into a triangular hole. Kishi is going to refuse it because she's pretty obviously SEEN something to keep telling her otherwise, and us running in Instead creates an impression that one of these days, we're going to do it for the wrong Magical girl and get ourselves killed. Which to be fair is DEFINITELY possible, but not nearly as much as kishi thinks it is.

Screams and rage make a person feel empty and regretful after the experience. Regret is important because it makes them go "I shouldn't have done that, what did I do wrong?" and that should point to her being overly paranoid. For people with very little in the way of relationships, they'll find fault in themselves instead of others.

We have the Grief Seeds to spare for such an event. It'll be dangerous, but it's worth it. The first step to solving a problem is accepting it's a problem in the first place, and this is the only way I could think of that will help Kishi do so.
Not really. I personally expect it to be something akin to how Evelyn acted under the Witches kiss: Not relationship destroying, but the actions certainly hurt her significantly long afterwards, and we had to help her get over those issues. In fact, I'm still not 100% sure if they've gone away completely. This would be worse than that because
A) Kishi isn't under a witches kiss, this would all be stuff she genuinely thinks or worries about

B) Magical Girl, Despair is lethal, and we only have so many greif seeds

C) Kishi has the hots for us. If she does anything that ends up hurting us, she's going to beat herself up about it, and mentally hurt herself 10 times worse than she does usually.

Also, side note, Kishi thinks that she's a terrible person and a monster, partly for her appearance, but also probably for simple everyday things that don't actually matter all that much. That kind of mentality will take any opportunity to put itself down and say that it's an awful human being, no matter how small or meaningless. Which means that when she does something that actually does hurt a little, it mentally becomes so, so much worse.
 
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