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Overlady: Attack of the Minions (Thread II)

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MinorGryph said:
What recent events?
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Louise capturing Henriette is probably the biggest one, but Eleanor being arrested is also pretty big and if Louise does manage to rescue her, it'll be even more important to Karin's decision making. Plus I'm positive i remember Karin being stated to be a royalist, so Louise's goal of putting Heirette on the throne and disposing of her mother and the council likely meshes well with Karin.

I'm not saying it's a guarantee, but I do feel like it's something that may carry some weight to Karin not killing Louise for those in the camp that believe that Karin isn't above lopping branches off the family tree that spring from her for merely returning to the family's roots.
 
xeivous said:
I don't recall ES being clear one way or the other on what Karin's reaction would be. Certainly not recently when events have occurred that have lead many of us to speculate that she wouldn't immediately kill Louise.
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No, I specifically asked this same question myself, months ago – the only difference is that I had framed mine as a possible "explanation to the good guys", in case Louise ever loses her helmet in battle/public and has her identity revealed before she's ready.

Mostly relying on the whole "eyes are the windows to the soul" proverb, and the fact that Louise's now glow – with a little practice at controlling said glow, Louise could potentially make it look as though she were fighting the Overlady's "possession" from the inside. Thereby setting herself up so that when the Overlady is finally "defeated" (say, right after the rest of the Council is executed for treason), Louise would receive a pardon for crimes that she "hadn't actually commited".

The general consensus (though I don't remember if ES himself ever weighed in on it, or not) was that while other heroes might be gullible enough to fall for that, Karin on the other hand would instead be enough of a heartless bitch to deliberately take the shot then, sacrificing Louise just to make sure she takes out the Overlady in the process.
 
The17thImmortal said:
No, I specifically asked this same question myself, months ago – the only difference is that I had framed mine as a possible "explanation to the good guys", in case Louise ever loses her helmet in battle/public and has her identity revealed before she's ready.

Mostly relying on the whole "eyes are the windows to the soul" proverb, and the fact that Louise's now glow – with a little practice at controlling said glow, Louise could potentially make it look as though she were fighting the Overlady's "possession" from the inside. Thereby setting herself up so that when the Overlady is finally "defeated" (say, right after the rest of the Council is executed for treason), Louise would receive a pardon for crimes that she "hadn't actually commited".

The general consensus (though I don't remember if ES himself ever weighed in on it, or not) was that while other heroes might be gullible enough to fall for that, Karin on the other hand would instead be enough of a heartless bitch to deliberately take the shot then, sacrificing Louise just to make sure she takes out the Overlady in the process.
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That does rely on the idea that Louise actually goes through with trying to go back to her old life. Which is something I've had no doubts about not happening ever since Gnarl identified her alignment as delusional evil, and commented that she'd lose that and shift towards actually being evil. Which has been steadily been happening throughout the story.

Evil finds a way.
 
The17thImmortal said:
The general consensus (though I don't remember if ES himself ever weighed in on it, or not) was that while other heroes might be gullible enough to fall for that, Karin on the other hand would instead be enough of a heartless bitch to deliberately take the shot then, sacrificing Louise just to make sure she takes out the Overlady in the process.
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Karin is not a heartless bitch.

Karin is the good aligned version of Emperor Lee with about five times as much experience. She would take out Lousie because she is WELL aware that isn't how Evil works, that isn't how Overlords work and because she isn't that stupid. She would potentially take herself out afterwards (via a series of near suicidal assaults on evil, because suicide is a sin) but she'd do her job and her duty. She already suffered one moral lapse when she was unable to rescue her middle daughter from vampirism (and look what happened when she got free), not to mention her accidents when raising the 'mistake'.

She will likely fix her mistakes this time, even though it will likely kill her heart to do so. She knows how Evil works, especially the type of Evil that Lousie and now the Princess has embraced after all.
 
Sucal said:
Karin is not a heartless bitch.

Karin is the good aligned version of Emperor Lee with about five times as much experience. She would take out Lousie because she is WELL aware that isn't how Evil works, that isn't how Overlords work and because she isn't that stupid. She would potentially take herself out afterwards (via a series of near suicidal assaults on evil, because suicide is a sin) but she'd do her job and her duty. She already suffered one moral lapse when she was unable to rescue her middle daughter from vampirism (and look what happened when she got free), not to mention her accidents when raising the 'mistake'.

She will likely fix her mistakes this time, even though it will likely kill her heart to do so. She knows how Evil works, especially the type of Evil that Lousie and now the Princess has embraced after all.
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The curveball here is the possibility of the Council doing something so stupid and (lowercase) evil that Karin falls to Evil herself. It would have to be (at least) one spectacular fuckup, but that same moral lapse you cite is part of why I think it's possible.
 
SwiftRosenthal said:
The curveball here is the possibility of the Council doing something so stupid and (lowercase) evil that Karin falls to Evil herself. It would have to be (at least) one spectacular fuckup, but that same moral lapse you cite is part of why I think it's possible.
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ES has already stated that Karin isn't going to go Evil.

You want an Evil Karin? You are going to have to write the fic yourself.
 
Sucal said:
Karin is not a heartless bitch.

Karin is the good aligned version of Emperor Lee with about five times as much experience. She would take out Lousie because she is WELL aware that isn't how Evil works, that isn't how Overlords work and because she isn't that stupid. She would potentially take herself out afterwards (via a series of near suicidal assaults on evil, because suicide is a sin) but she'd do her job and her duty. She already suffered one moral lapse when she was unable to rescue her middle daughter from vampirism (and look what happened when she got free), not to mention her accidents when raising the 'mistake'.

She will likely fix her mistakes this time, even though it will likely kill her heart to do so. She knows how Evil works, especially the type of Evil that Lousie and now the Princess has embraced after all.
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Isn't Karin a royalist? Not to mention educated enough to know about how the royal family's alignment swings like a pendulum as the generations pass? Cuz those are some game changing factors if Louise can put Henriette on the throne, and more so a changing factor if Louise can properly navigate Henriette's romance questline.
 
Night_Rain said:
...I find it amusing people keep going for "pin-heeled" when that was probably supposed to be "pin-wheeled."
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Pinwheeled was my first thought, but then I got an image of Danny with just his heels on the edge of the chasm tottering there. Plus no hyphen on that and it's a bit of an anachronism you might try to paper over with a joking adaptation.
 
NothingNow said:
Accounting and healing. Accordingly, she's the most dangerous of the bunch.
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So she'd face up against the Gnarl.

No one who witnesses this confrontation will recall exactly what happened (having fallen asleep before the end of the introductions), but everyone who hears of it will feel a certain level of existential dread that can only come from awareness of the international conspiracy that are certified professional accountants.
 
Mutton said:
Damn I love your Guiche. So much fun.
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The "joke", of course, is that he's actually just a broadly heroic character who serves to bring the average morality of his group up (well, especially by counterbalancing Tabitha) and the fact that he tends to get the credit and is the face of the group isn't something he deliberately does it. It's just that he's likeable, handsome, and good at talking to people.

To put it another way, "everyone is just Evil really" is boring. Guiche, Kirche and Monmon are all broadly heroic, and Tabitha is the party's antihero. If everyone's a bad guy for realz, then it just turns into a dark mire and then you stub your toe because you can't see where you're going. And of course, I'm doing a pastiche of fantasy, and that means that the small band of heroes actually have to be heroes. And also, yes, killing machines who can blenderise their way through vast swathes of bad guys. Fantasy pastiche, after all.
 
Sucal said:
Karin is not a heartless bitch.

Karin is the good aligned version of Emperor Lee with about five times as much experience. She would take out Lousie because she is WELL aware that isn't how Evil works, that isn't how Overlords work and because she isn't that stupid. She would potentially take herself out afterwards (via a series of near suicidal assaults on evil, because suicide is a sin) but she'd do her job and her duty. She already suffered one moral lapse when she was unable to rescue her middle daughter from vampirism (and look what happened when she got free), not to mention her accidents when raising the 'mistake'.

She will likely fix her mistakes this time, even though it will likely kill her heart to do so. She knows how Evil works, especially the type of Evil that Lousie and now the Princess has embraced after all.
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I meant, within the context of Louise's theoretical deception.

Yes, Karin is intelligent and versed enough to see through that deception – probably helped along by the fact that Louise's acting skills really aren't all that great – however if she is the only one who does, then everyone else (who did buy into it) would just see it as her trying to Shoot The Hostage.
 
Almost forgot to comment on this:
EarthScorpion said:
Kirche coughed, and when her hand came away, a grandiose waxed moustache lay on her top lip. "I believe I am a man, now."

Montmorency turned bright red. Stare at her chest, she told herself. Don't focus on the moustache. Or where on earth she could have been keeping the moustache. She could feel a quite un-ladylike flush coming on. Oh, Kirche's exposed body was unattractive and female, but that face! That moustache!
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"Trust me!" Guiche stepped promptly up to a little old woman dressed in dusty black, carrying a basket of washing on her head. "Um. Mi dispiace, signora, ma dove è il posto in cui l'orso ha preso la ragazza? C'è una... um... um... 'goat-trail'? 'Baa baa', wait, no, that's a sheep. Danny? What noise do goats make? Ah, never mind! Un percorso? C'è un percorso? Il mio nome è Guiche de Gramont e..."
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This would be more correct, but it could be passed by not being fluent in the language.
"Ah! Guiche de Gramont! Il famoso eroe! Oi! Romeo!" the old woman called out to an equally old man. "Quest'uomo è Guiche de Gramont!"

"Guiche de Gramont?"

"Sì, Guiche de Gramont!"

"Quello famoso?"

"Sì! L'eroe famoso, Guiche de Gramont!"
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In here you don't need to use the pronoun.
Also, the question mark, and when speaking nobody is going to say "l'eroe famoso" in that situation.

Corrections brought to you by a resident italian :V

Nice chapter!
 
Actually now that I've been thinking about the consequences of Louise's identity getting out, I've also started to wonder how the Evil community would react. I mean obviously there are some who would be delighted to know that the Vallerie family is returning to it's roots in the newest generation, but there has to be a sizeable group that is displeased about the losses they've suffered due to Karin. Which probably means taking more Minions when visiting the Abyss.
 
EarthScorpion said:
The "joke", of course, is that he's actually just a broadly heroic character who serves to bring the average morality of his group up (well, especially by counterbalancing Tabitha) and the fact that he tends to get the credit and is the face of the group isn't something he deliberately does it. It's just that he's likeable, handsome, and good at talking to people.

To put it another way, "everyone is just Evil really" is boring. Guiche, Kirche and Monmon are all broadly heroic, and Tabitha is the party's antihero. If everyone's a bad guy for realz, then it just turns into a dark mire and then you stub your toe because you can't see where you're going. And of course, I'm doing a pastiche of fantasy, and that means that the small band of heroes actually have to be heroes. And also, yes, killing machines who can blenderise their way through vast swathes of bad guys. Fantasy pastiche, after all.
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IIRC, Tabitha/Charlotte is Good browbeaten into thinking that she's Evil, correct? Or something like that? I honestly can't remember what the explanation was.
 
The17thImmortal said:
AFAIK, officially she's the Token Evil Teammate. Whether she's Evil unofficially or not, is still up for debate.
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I don't think even TABITHA knows for sure, considering that she apparently needs to parse some pretty confusing doublespeak every time she receives orders. Is she just doing what she's been told to do in code, or is she taking Evil liberties in direct contravention of what she's actually told to do? Are the rebukes she receives just code for "good job" or did she actually screw up royally? Tabitha isn't sure, and given her... handler's contrary nature, it's pretty much impossible for her to be sure either way.
 
Let's put it this way.

Every sign and action that Tabitha has taken in the story has pointed to her being Evil. What Charlotte may have been before her brutal assassin training, and what Tabitha may yet become...doesn't really matter right now.
 
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