Comedy is almost always political. Like, despite what some people might want you to believe that haha funny things have no meaning save for being haha funny, a lot of humor is fundamentally political. The reasons for why some things are funny and some things aren't funny are shaped by society-and thus you can't be humorous without sending some sort of political message, whether it's inadvertent or overt.

The Large Hadron Collider hasn't found the funon particle, the fundamental unit of comedy, for a reason. Comedy is cultural, it's integrated with society, and thus good comedy is also politically aware.
That's really not true unless you either cut out a large amount of humor such as physical comedy or stretch the meaning of political to uselessness.

Lots of great comedy is political at some level but not all of it is. Sometimes a skit moves between the two even! Look at Monty Pythons Lawrence of Antarctica. You get a clearly political bit about Hollywood and gender roles followed by an apolitical lion fighting scene which is an absolute gut buster.
 
That's really not true unless you either cut out a large amount of humor such as physical comedy or stretch the meaning of political to uselessness.

Lots of great comedy is political at some level but not all of it is. Sometimes a skit moves between the two even! Look at Monty Pythons Lawrence of Antarctica. You get a clearly political bit about Hollywood and gender roles followed by an apolitical lion fighting scene which is an absolute gut buster.

Is it really useless to say that almost everything is political? I mean, I agree it's useless if you want to make broad-ranging policy proscriptions, but it's not useless to point out how many things that we tend to think of as constants are actually arbitrarily decided by either the state or the mob.
 
Is it really useless to say that almost everything is political? I mean, I agree it's useless if you want to make broad-ranging policy proscriptions, but it's not useless to point out how many things that we tend to think of as constants are actually arbitrarily decided by either the state or the mob.
Yes, because you've removed all meaning from the word at that point and are often just trying to transfer the connotations that we associate with "political" onto unrelated activities. That and "cultural" tends to work a hell of a lot better in many cases.
 
Yes, because you've removed all meaning from the word at that point and are often just trying to transfer the connotations that we associate with "political" onto unrelated activities. That and "cultural" tends to work a hell of a lot better in many cases.

Fine, all humor says things about society and culture and the person saying the joke. Happy now :V

The point is that humor isn't some concentrated ray of funons in a vacuum.
 
Fine, all humor says things about society and culture and the person saying the joke. Happy now :V

The point is that humor isn't some concentrated ray of funons in a vacuum.
"Humor is about subverting expectations."
Where those expectations come from is based on our experiences in life.

But yeah, I've got a bit of an axe to grind with "the personal is political." >.>
 
I had thought he was only acting for his father's sake like Kirche.

Danny seems to identify himself as and behave like a boy, even when his father isn't around. He doesn't like that he's about to hit puberty because of all the stuff that comes with that.

Not sure if that might change later, but for now I suppose he meets the definition, if partly because of his father's twisted expectations.
 
Wait Danny is trans?

I had not gotten that impression at all. I had thought he was only acting for his father's sake like Kirche.
That's... actually a good point.

To make yourself anything different is wrong, you betray yourself by doing such and you tresspass on the realm of God's work.
o_O
So, exactly which passage of the bible explains God's view on transgenderism? Book, chapter and verse please.
And yes, I am serious about that. I do believe there is a God out there, but I also believe He gave us a guidebook to help us find His path for us, and left us alone to drudge down it (or off it) ourselves. And quite frankly, I don't recall any portion of that guidebook addressing genetics v. psychology.
 
If people are going to actually debate this issue in something less passing than a brief aside, is this thread really the best place for it?
 
People are what they are, not what they think they are or should be. If you were meant to be it than it would be possible to achieve naturally.
Nature is cruel, harsh, unfair and completely biased towards people with better genes. Things being how they are, does not mean that's the way it should be, and it's certainly not the way things used to be. Smallpox used to be a fact of life, and now it's a thing that used to be. We are humanity, and we improve our position by twisting the very fabric of reality until we can use it to wipe out diseases and send cat pictures. We can do better than nature. Nature doesn't have lolcats.
 
Comedy is almost always political. Like, despite what some people might want you to believe that haha funny things have no meaning save for being haha funny, a lot of humor is fundamentally political. The reasons for why some things are funny and some things aren't funny are shaped by society-and thus you can't be humorous without sending some sort of political message, whether it's inadvertent or overt.

The Large Hadron Collider hasn't found the funon particle, the fundamental unit of comedy, for a reason. Comedy is cultural, it's integrated with society, and thus good comedy is also politically aware.
Funny things can be political and political things can be funny.

When you get right down to it humor seems to be thwarting expectations in an amusing manner(The foolishness/suffering of others is also a big factor). Politics is only a factor because most are passingly familiar with it and not(usually) fanatically obsessed.
 
Danny seems to identify himself as and behave like a boy, even when his father isn't around. He doesn't like that he's about to hit puberty because of all the stuff that comes with that.

Not sure if that might change later, but for now I suppose he meets the definition, if partly because of his father's twisted expectations.
I read the being a boy when dad wasn't around as maintaining the illusion for their guests and the pending issues with adolescence being about how much harder the role was going to be to maintain. And resenting the role more as a result. (Got that bit totally backwards didn't I)

Obviously this mirrors being closeted IRL to some extent, which I did catch even with my incorrect interpretation. But Kirche and her side of the problem being played for laughs lead me to not give Danny also acting like a boy a second thought.

Am I the only person who didn't get it? Was I misreading his crush on Guiche too?
 
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I read the being a boy when dad wasn't around as maintaining the illusion for their guests and the pending issues with adolescence being about how much harder the role was going to be to maintain. And resenting the role more as a result. (Got that bit totally backwards didn't I)

Obviously this mirrors being closeted IRL to some extent, which I did catch even with my incorrect interpretation. But Kirche and her side of the problem being played for laughs lead me to not give Danny also acting like a boy a second thought.

Am I the only person who didn't get it? Was I misreading his crush on Guiche too?
if you did, you aint alone. i may chose to ignore everything i just read and keep it the way i thought it was in my mind :evil:
 
if you did, you aint alone. i may chose to ignore everything i just read and keep it the way i thought it was in my mind :evil:
Kirche might disagree.
"You know him?" Monmon asked.

"Dani? Yeah. Just a bit. Being that he is, you know, one of my younger brothers."

"Ah, I see." Monmon blinked. "But wait, you said…"

"He is one of my younger brothers," Kirche repeated, slowly. "Do you understand?"

"But…"

"Don't make me set you on fire. Which I will, if you're not going to be civil to him," Kirche said in a low, flat, and completely serious tone. "I look after both my sisters and my brothers. I am a protective older sister or brother, depending on whether Dad's around."
Fairly emphatically, as it happens.

This isn't a new point, guys. It was spelled out pretty clearly in his first appearance. He is a boy. And Kirche will set people on fire if they do not respect that.
 
Kirche might disagree.

Fairly emphatically, as it happens.

This isn't a new point, guys. It was spelled out pretty clearly in his first appearance. He is a boy. And Kirche will set people on fire if they do not respect that.
I apologise,
I do respect that and have been respectful of that fact the whole time. Respectful but dense as lead. Once again, I apologise for enabling others to be inconsiderate.
 
@EarthScorpion
Is there magic in Halk that can change one's sex? I assume there isn't (at least not without side effects or repercussions of some sort), but I figure I may as well ask.
 
It doesn't matter even if it did exist (which, considering the existence of Jessica, it does).
I'm assuming Jessica (and any demons in a similar situation) are really more of a special case with what amounts to a personal ability, rather than pointing to an actual spell that can change somebody's gender/whatever. Like how there are various creatures that are naturally hermaphrodites doesn't mean everything can normally change sex.
 
It doesn't matter even if it did exist (which, considering the existence of Jessica, it does).
I was just curious if it was something ES had thought about.

I did forget about Jessica, but I was thinking of something closer to a sex change operation than her situation which seems to me to be closer to hermaphroditism.
 
Genies can according to Kirche. Though in Jessica's case she'd probably want to wish to be a half succubus, but I suspect that would screw up some stuff for her.

Knowing the magics of Overlady!Halk, the half-succubus part would probably just take over the half-human part, making her a fifty fifty succubus/incubus hybrid.
 
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