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Of Lords and their Legions (A Necron Overlord Quest)

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I dkn't really belive that they can destroy us if we just say no and leave. To concentrate enough forces Imperium would need to abandon multiple sectors, allowing all the other threats run rampant. She is bluffing. Even negotiated down this terms in unaceptable. Moreover, the sheer audacy of holding NECRON as servant, makes me wish to destroy this jumped up monkey.
Edit: her sheer arogance is just baffling. Necrons destroyed stars before her species existed!
 
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So heres my thoughts on the terms provided:

1. No to the Tithe provision.
2. Soft no to the Adeptus Ministorium. Point out how that if we were guarantee said agents safety, can she guarantee the legitimacy of any priests of our sector? Said priest that would go on to influence the Adeptus Ministorium...
3. No to allowing any and all inquisitional forces into our territory. HOWEVER, we are amendable to providing transport to key personal via a ftl escort ship (for proper payment of course.)
4. No to fighting in the Imperiums wars, but are open to being offered contracts (of which we can negotiate or refuse if too onerous).

Things we can add on/offer

1. We have POWs that we can return as a show of good faith. Let it be said that we are merciful and just to even our enemies.
2. Open to commissioning weapons and other necron goods.
3. Open to providing vital maintenance to Necron technology under Imperial control. (Allows the imperium to move troops away from areas like Cadia, but also gives them reason not to attack us at their earliest convivence because we would be the ones with a finger on the Chaos door).

Also, no matter the negotiations, we will tell them that we will settle the deal after our navies clash in the system. It would be a show of force, gives us more resources to work with, and would tilt the negotiations to our favor. Oh, that and we want the last world in system to be peacefully handed over to us.
 
Lonkas said:
Despite this it is the final figure which captures your attention the most. You had your suspicions but the warrior frame which proceeds behind the other figures shows exactly how the Imperium knew the proper forms of address. Without bearing the traditional Gauss flayer or reaper, the warrior stands tall and straight. Near equal the height to the Gene warrior before it. Looking closer, it also seems to be of finer construction than that reserved for warriors. Silver and gold highlights are marked upon the warriors living metal frame. Though no dynastic mark is stamped upon its features. Not even you note, the emblem of the Triarch. This, you surmise, is a lord doing all it can to not be identified.
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Someone double-check our neighbors color schemes, who's this rando?
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Their walk to your throne is not overly long, For you had placed the structure to be equidistant between their planned landing zone and your own. Thus soon the four are assembled before you. It is but a few seconds before the Inquisitor takes the initiative and speaks, first her face a study of calm proprietary. "Hail Levnekh, overlord of the Yulenoth, scholar lord. I am Inquisitor Nadalia, of house Drachus, servant of his will. I have come here to discuss the ways in which our realms may exist in peace. To ensure peace and order in this incredibly small portion of the Imperium. I understand that it is customary among your kind to show that our words are backed with force, therefore. If you speak falsely or act against the spirit of the truce, I have readied messages upon trusted couriers. To reach out to your old foes, the Eldar, two craftworlds lie within reach of your tomb Levnekh, and these I believe, are enemies you would greatly prefer to be kept ignorant of your existence."
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Blunt, arrogant, and ultimately reliant on others to do your dirty work. Considering who we're talking to it's not a bad effort.
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You nod as you attempt to read the Inquisitor. Trying to ascertain if she actually has such interesting contacts for an imperial to have. Eventually however you are forced by time and decorum to relent. "A worthy threat" you acknowledge before your straiten. "Hail Nadalia of House Drachus or Nemenessor if your would prefer" you note archly. "I am Levnekh, Overlord of the Yulenoth, the shadow upon the void and servant of no one but myself. I came here in search of conquest but have instead been offered peace. And I have not yet decided whether to grant such a boon. Though, if you speak falsely or plan betrayal, my fleet will see you slain long before you return to your forces. And then, with your forces leaderless, we will crush your fleet and burn this planet and the sector to ash!"
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Mostly just reiterating the military superiority that forced this talk and that the Inquisitor made a social faux-pa of not sticking to Necrontyr titles we're being generous in overlooking.
Lonkas said:
In actuality of course" she motions and the visor of the imperial prisoner lightens, revealing a gaunt but still clearly alive former admiral, within his eyes are shut as he silently whispers to himself. Her tone becomes magnanimous and her smile conciliatory "The imperium offers him as a gift to the Yulenoth, in recompense for our aggressive actions on that fateful day.
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Ah yes, I forgot bored immortal nobles with nothing to hone their art on but other immortals would come up with some nasty instruments of torture. And the Inquisition correctly groks what we are.
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You feel a glow of satisfaction within as you look toward the captured admiral. It seems that there were some individuals of culture among the Imperium after all. You gesture toward Lasthule who goes forward to grab the man and bring him to the foot of your throne. "I thank you and the Imperium for extending this peace offering to us. It is acknowledged as a true gift of friendship and shows the possiblility of sincerity in your actions. This is merely a peace offering however.' You lean forward. "I wish to hear of the peace you would offer and what it would entail"
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Translation: "OK, I believe you are legitimate about this discussion, what are you actually offering.
Lonkas said:
Indeed, scholar lord I would say act as famed Mephit'ran, and provide for them the fruits of your service such that all may mutually benefit.
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... Oh. OH. Now I see this Lord's game. He wishes for us to infiltrate the Imperium and betray it from within! We should, in that case, not consider this highly oppressive vassalage program as an opener nor an end goal. But rather, access to the Inquisitorial networks and Imperial bureaucracy.
 
Simplest answer we can give is a NO. The best course of action we can take is offer alliance with the unknown dynasty against the Imperium.

This makes the Imperium fight two enemies that they cannot defeat without sacrificing massive resources to subdue.

Turn a imperial world to ash, to make clear that Necron words hold substance and any threat is as real as the stars. That the attempt at subversion and almost vassalization is not appreciated.
 
Azurath said:
So heres my thoughts on the terms provided:

1. No to the Tithe provision.
2. Soft no to the Adeptus Ministorium. Point out how that if we were guarantee said agents safety, can she guarantee the legitimacy of any priests of our sector? Said priest that would go on to influence the Adeptus Ministorium...
3. No to allowing any and all inquisitional forces into our territory. HOWEVER, we are amendable to providing transport to key personal via a ftl escort ship (for proper payment of course.)
4. No to fighting in the Imperiums wars, but are open to being offered contracts (of which we can negotiate or refuse if too onerous).

Things we can add on/offer

1. We have POWs that we can return as a show of good faith. Let it be said that we are merciful and just to even our enemies.
2. Open to commissioning weapons and other necron goods.
3. Open to providing vital maintenance to Necron technology under Imperial control. (Allows the imperium to move troops away from areas like Cadia, but also gives them reason not to attack us at their earliest convivence because we would be the ones with a finger on the Chaos door).

Also, no matter the negotiations, we will tell them that we will settle the deal after our navies clash in the system. It would be a show of force, gives us more resources to work with, and would tilt the negotiations to our favor. Oh, that and we want the last world in system to be peacefully handed over to us.
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Haggle for a better deal like this and end up doing what @Always Late said since we got the hint from their necron. But should we really take his word for it? Considering how treacherous necron are in general.
Always Late said:
... Oh. OH. Now I see this Lord's game. He wishes for us to infiltrate the Imperium and betray it from within! We should, in that case, not consider this highly oppressive vassalage program as an opener nor an end goal. But rather, access to the Inquisitorial networks and Imperial bureaucracy.
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Mostlyblue said:
Haggle for a better deal like this and end up doing what @Always Late said since we got the hint from their necron. But should we really take his word for it? Considering how treacherous necron are in general.
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He's either in such a bad shape his dynasty can't shake the Inquisition, the Inquisition has some techno-arcana hold over him that requires specialist help to defeat, or he's playing a long con towards an end we were in essence going to do already.

If he's not being entirely honest with us, by Necron standards, we should consider what is gained by our nebulous other dynasty should we commit to infiltrating the Imperium.
 
On the tithe.
We could leave it in, for a better position of negotiation.
However, we only give one third of what resources would have been generated by the more primitive harvesting methods that were employed by the Imperium.

On the passage toll, how long would it take to build a Dolmengate? And how effective would it be to increase our range of operation beyond the imperial borders?
Being situated surrounded by the Imperium is not completely bad, as it does offer some protection.
 
canned Tomatoes said:
On the tithe.
We could leave it in, for a better position of negotiation.
However, we only give one third of what resources would have been generated by the more primitive harvesting methods that were employed by the Imperium.

On the passage toll, how long would it take to build a Dolmengate? And how effective would it be to increase our range of operation beyond the imperial borders?
Being situated surrounded by the Imperium is not completely bad, as it does offer some protection.
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2-3 turns to make a Gate. The Gate allows us to control planets out of system, allowing materials and tribute to pass from them to us. As for range of operations, we have Necron ftl and can theoretically strike anywhere. We just can't conquer anything until we build a Gate on our homeworld and the new system.
 
Azurath said:
2-3 turns to make a Gate. The Gate allows us to control planets out of system, allowing materials and tribute to pass from them to us. As for range of operations, we have Necron ftl and can theoretically strike anywhere. We just can't conquer anything until we build a Gate on our homeworld and the new system.
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Yeah, that means we go for a Gate.
This does mean we have two general options for it.
Either keeping it completely secret, which we should be able to do or having it in the open and allowing the Imperium to use it in some way, turning it into a strategic asset that is worth too much for them to risk destroying it.
 
I like Azurath's thoughts.

Lonkas, can mindshackle scarabs be used on the unidentified Necron? That might play better than using it on the Inquisitor, since Levnekh can spin it as capturing a dangerous traitor to the Dynasties.
 
Azurath said:
2. Open to commissioning weapons and other necron goods.
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I like the idea in general and this particularly stands out as a veritable treasure trove for the Ordo Xenos and Officio Assassinorum. They do so love their shoddily repurposed Necron weaponry. It would be even better for getting diplomatic connections with people in high places.
 
canned Tomatoes said:
Yeah, that means we go for a Gate.
This does mean we have two general options for it.
Either keeping it completely secret, which we should be able to do or having it in the open and allowing the Imperium to use it in some way, turning it into a strategic asset that is worth too much for them to risk destroying it.
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Secret as we wouldnt want the Imperium to use our homeworld as a base of operations. Just play taxi with a single escort cruiser and they should be satisfied.
 
Azurath said:
Also, no matter the negotiations, we will tell them that we will settle the deal after our navies clash in the system. It would be a show of force, gives us more resources to work with, and would tilt the negotiations to our favor. Oh, that and we want the last world in system to be peacefully handed over to us.
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You doubt the Imperium will pleased to continue with discussions after you have thoroughly trashed not only their fleet but also your own. Fleets are very expensive and the inquisitors has come specifically to stop such bleeding

On the other hand, Sivana will definately be on offer over the course of negotiations.

carterhall said:
I like Azurath's thoughts.

Lonkas, can mindshackle scarabs be used on the unidentified Necron? That might play better than using it on the Inquisitor, since Levnekh can spin it as capturing a dangerous traitor to the Dynasties.
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It would still be a breach of the truce though. Which is what the dynasties would care about.
Plus the use of mindshackle scarabs, which would make every single dynasty in this galactic quadrant and members of your own court wary of you.
 
This is entirely, a ridiculous proposal. Necrons bowing to humans? We would be slaughtered and removed in a coup the second we get back to our Palace.

No. The maximum we can go is for a ceasefire. No trespassing is included. Imperial worlds are defined as those under their control. Rebels, chaos, orkified former imperial colonies are free game.
 
Genji said:
This is entirely, a ridiculous proposal. Necrons bowing to humans? We would be slaughtered and removed in a coup the second we get back to our Palace.

No. The maximum we can go is for a ceasefire. No trespassing is included. Imperial worlds are defined as those under their control. Rebels, chaos, orkified former imperial colonies are free game.
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Technically, it is just a ceasefire. Theres a reason she giving us the admiral that alerted the Imperium in the first place. An easy scapegoat and a diplomatic victory in the eyes of the court. After all, we get the system we wanted and the Imperium admits fault.
Lonkas said:
You doubt the Imperium will pleased to continue with discussions after you have thoroughly trashed not only their fleet but also your own. Fleets are very expensive and the inquisitors has come specifically to stop such bleeding

On the other hand, Sivana will definately be on offer over the course of negotiations.



It would still be a breach of the truce though. Which is what the dynasties would care about.
Plus the use of mindshackle scarabs, which would make every single dynasty in this galactic quadrant and members of your own court wary of you.
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Hmm, can we signal to the Inquisitor that we are heavily incentivized to attack them due to our superior repair and salvage operations? Cause their fleet is a walking piggybank and we are using our "Allies" fleet while we can.
 
We can perhaps signal that in addition to the ceasefire, we would be willing to attack ork, chaos or rebels in return for payment? With full rights to loot and salvage of course. We don't need more human or planets, just resources..
 
Azurath said:
Technically, it is just a ceasefire. Theres a reason she giving us the admiral that alerted the Imperium in the first place. An easy scapegoat and a diplomatic victory in the eyes of the court. After all, we get the system we wanted and the Imperium admits fault.

Hmm, can we signal to the Inquisitor that we are heavily incentivized to attack them due to our superior repair and salvage operations? Cause their fleet is a walking piggybank and we are using our "Allies" fleet while we can.
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Yeah, you could tell her that. Though I'm not sure how well. "I really want to fight you because I'm really good at looting your ships" will play with the Inquisitor.

On the question as to whether you will have effectively "wasted" the Agrekh'un ships. Do you believe the Inquisitor would have even opened negotiations if you were weaker than you have shown yourselves to be

Genji said:
We can perhaps signal that in addition to the ceasefire, we would be willing to attack ork, chaos or rebels in return for payment? With full rights to loot and salvage of course. We don't need more human or planets, just resources..
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They are in fact asking you to do that and are willing to pay for the privilege. They would however desire that you bring along a representative of the imperium when you go on such missions.
 
I think it would be risky but if we do mindshackle then ultimately the fight will be much easier. I dont think we should agree as it pretty much leaves us to only try and conquer other dynasties which won't be very easy. Unless however we start doing some things that other necrons are gonna hate us for... like biotransfering our vassals into new warriors.
 
Tech Priest Gemm said:
I think it would be risky but if we do mindshackle then ultimately the fight will be much easier. I dont think we should agree as it pretty much leaves us to only try and conquer other dynasties which won't be very easy. Unless however we start doing some things that other necrons are gonna hate us for... like biotransfering our vassals into new warriors.
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Assuming the mindshackle works. Failing and being caught would be really bad. I think it might be worth it, because a Dynasty working in vassalage to humans is an affront to Necrontyr pride, not to mention what sharing technology would do. If Levnekh can get the information out of the mystery warrior and give it the right spin to the other Dynasties, then maybe he can negotiate cheap 'help' to put down the traitors, which would just happen to involve crushing all the human resistance around Yulenoth territory. At least that's the end game that I'm aiming for.

Lonkas, could a mindshackle scarab be hidden on the mystery warrior, but not activated until after the truce expires? Or could it act as a homing beacon to allow for the warrior to be kidnapped via teleporter?
 
carterhall said:
Assuming the mindshackle works. Failing and being caught would be really bad. I think it might be worth it, because a Dynasty working in vassalage to humans is an affront to Necrontyr pride, not to mention what sharing technology would do. If Levnekh can get the information out of the mystery warrior and give it the right spin to the other Dynasties, then maybe he can negotiate cheap 'help' to put down the traitors, which would just happen to involve crushing all the human resistance around Yulenoth territory. At least that's the end game that I'm aiming for.

Lonkas, could a mindshackle scarab be hidden on the mystery warrior, but not activated until after the truce expires? Or could it act as a homing beacon to allow for the warrior to be kidnapped via teleporter?
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Remember that the average Necron dynasty deeply distrusts each other and would likely revel in the subjugation of another (so long as it has no long term effects on themselves). Sure they will likely make noise about "the damage to necrontyr" pride and the "primitives rising above their station" but the largest effect is on the newly vassalised dynasty. Though seeming that a dynasty that you have interacted with is apparently under the Imperials thumb likely also indicates that it is in the best interest of both parties to keep such arrangements on the down low. That is not t say however that you couldn't arange some "help" in dealing with the vermin when it is required

Absolutely, Mindshackle's could serve both those purposes. Though unfortunately they do transmit at the speed of light so you would have to be in the same system for it to be used to "steal" the warrior. The risk in mindshackle's is not however that they would be discovered while they are in the subject (except in psychic societies where individuals can 'see' each others states of mind being manually altered) The danger would be in hoping that no one notices the tiny stream of robots going to any target.
 
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