As someone who grew up under two military uncles, I can somewhat sympathize with Henry's fear of his mother.

I think it's not so much the discipline or possibility of injury/death that he fears, it's more like it's the prospect of disappointing her that he fears. Or the looks of concealed pity when you constantly fail to meet some level of expectation they have for you, time after time.
 
I must have missed it because I've been skipping all the posts between story ones, but has Shade retconned away the whole "Affinities are learned not innate" thing?
 
"Mother never made it obvious," I said softly, "But she always wanted one of us to have her affinity so that she could teach them personally. Father has a Water affinity, Eleonore an Earth one, Cattleya's been privately tutored so I don't know if she knows her yet but I have an air one, which means...well, goodbye my free time, so long enthusiastic rides in the woods-I'll be forced to weather hurricanes and face mighty air hammers-" I shook my head. "She mustn't find out."

If he wants to be able to protect his little sister from the threats she'll be facing why the hell is he shying away from the best teacher he could ever have?!? If he fucks up with Orcs he gets eaten alive how is that worse then his mother? I think you should tone down melodrama and start being a little more serious.
 
If he wants to be able to protect his little sister from the threats she'll be facing why the hell is he shying away from the best teacher he could ever have?!? If he fucks up with Orcs he gets eaten alive how is that worse then his mother? I think you should tone down melodrama and start being a little more serious.

Because he's inherently a hedonist.

He wants to get stronger, but he knows that Karin takes no time for pleasantries, and that training from hell will be the remainder of his otherwise joyously ill-spent youth.

And he's got a bit of the irrational fearies.

I mean, remember the 'punishment' When TsunKarin just hit him with a light breeze but he thought he was going to get whirlwinded?

I mean, I'd still go for it. Even if he nips the Wardes problem in the bud, he knows the score with Void and Reconquista. Shit is happening.

On a related note, did they ever explain in the source why Karin didn't join the army again? From the hype, she should have been able to 1 v Army the whole opposing side.

Retirement is one thing, but even retired soldiers tend to get off their asses if they can still fight and their own country is attacked unjustly. And those aren't 1-man armies.
 
Let me see if I have this straight.

Shade is a Wind affinity.
Shade wants to hit Square before Louise enters the academy.
Shade is afraid of Karin finding out his affinity because she'd train the shit out of him.
Shade wants/is looking for very stressful training to level up his magic.

So, like, tell Karin then?
 
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Are we even sure his affinity is wind? I won't make any conclusions until I see him use every element. Unless the tests have already been done then I with draw my question.
 
By the way, is it that difficult to believe that people often avoid the stupidly obvious paths to achieving their goals, due to their own natural irrationalities?

I'm not saying that readers shouldn't point out these kinds of discrepancies; I bet these responses are very helpful for Shade to gauge reader reactions. Heck, I would have mentioned the same thing if so many people hadn't already done so.

But to me at least, Henry's reaction feels fairly natural; people's goals differ from their usual thoughts, and both their goals and their usual thoughts differ from their actions.

Meanwhile, Henry must also be aware that he'll inevitably start getting training from his mom after she learns of his affinity, anyway.
 
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Great emotions could transform a dot-mage like Malicorne through jealousy alone into a powerful thunder-caster, without even needed to chant his spells to boot, so if it weren't for how nobility was supposed to keep their emotions bottled up, perhaps there would be more powerful mages around.

Just what everybody needs, powerful mages with a great deal of practice jumping from one intense emotion to another.

Who needs to be corrupted by Dark Magic when you could become overwhelmingly powerful from wild mood swings? :rolleyes:

"Even perverts need heroes," I said. "Build me a shrine, and chant my name,"

Do you really want to be the focus of a shrine from a bunch of teenage male perverts? :confused:
 
Because he's inherently a hedonist.

He wants to get stronger, but he knows that Karin takes no time for pleasantries, and that training from hell will be the remainder of his otherwise joyously ill-spent youth.

And he's got a bit of the irrational fearies.

Irrational all right. Henry keeps declaring things to be true about Karin without anything backing it up. He "knows" she's violent despite never having seen her use anything harsher than stern language. He "knows" that her magic training will be hellish and brutal despite the fact that all the other education she's given him seems to have been in the exacting-but-bearable range.

In fact, there's an inherent limit to magic training as Henry himself told us in one of the earlier chapters. A mage only has so much willpower in a day. Once they've used that up, they can't practice magic anymore. Karin's wind magic training really can't take up every spare minute, even once you add in supplementary stuff that doesn't involve actually casting. It's not like training in swordsmanship where a brutal taskmaster can have you practicing swings from dawn until dusk.
 
Because he's inherently a hedonist.

He wants to get stronger, but he knows that Karin takes no time for pleasantries, and that training from hell will be the remainder of his otherwise joyously ill-spent youth.

And he's got a bit of the irrational fearies.

I mean, remember the 'punishment' When TsunKarin just hit him with a light breeze but he thought he was going to get whirlwinded?

I mean, I'd still go for it. Even if he nips the Wardes problem in the bud, he knows the score with Void and Reconquista. Shit is happening.

On a related note, did they ever explain in the source why Karin didn't join the army again? From the hype, she should have been able to 1 v Army the whole opposing side.

Retirement is one thing, but even retired soldiers tend to get off their asses if they can still fight and their own country is attacked unjustly. And those aren't 1-man armies.
No one told her her daughter was a void mage and lacking this prediction the campaign against Albion was inherently foolish and going to be beat back to the homeland.



But anyway. Let's make up cool wind magic chants. Get all chuuni wit it.


Swirling winds gather before and overcome all that stands in front of my righteous path. Peirce, Spiral Drill.



Calm winds, rage and deny all that would seek to harm me, Hurricane Shield.
 
In fact, there's an inherent limit to magic training as Henry himself told us in one of the earlier chapters. A mage only has so much willpower in a day. Once they've used that up, they can't practice magic anymore.

Yes and no. You can't practice magic but there is nothing stopping people from forcing you to train in other ways to improve your will. And if you can't think of any horrible ways to do that you've never been in the military or never really understood what goes into boot camp.
 
Yes and no. You can't practice magic but there is nothing stopping people from forcing you to train in other ways to improve your will. And if you can't think of any horrible ways to do that you've never been in the military or never really understood what goes into boot camp.

I have no idea if what they call "will" in the sense of magic can be built up in the same sense that boot camp can build what we call "will" more generally... but I rather suspect it can't. If boot camp could make students more powerful spellcasters then they would already put students through boot camp at the Academy.

On another topic, given Henry's love of telling stories and given that his specialty is Air, his signature spell might be something that projects or alters his voice. Being able to make your voice boom or alter it to sound different sounds in the realm of Air to me. Put my marker down there and we'll see if that's where the story goes.
 
Rather than have the coldest months as a focus for studying, we had the warmest ones.
I'm sure that, as a snake, this offends you greatly for you cannot sleep in peace.
not gonna lie, will laugh my ass off if your runic name turns out to be "The shadeknight" ad you character WTF's over it
"Then we shall laugh in the shade!"
I pointed a finger at him, "If I come back missing some pieces, or not at all, then remember me as a hero."

"The hero of perverts, most likely,"
"Even perverts need heroes," I said. "Build me a shrine, and chant my name
"The title 'King of Perverts' does not mean he was a king who was a pervert, but rather the king of all perverts."
--http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/3574-Fate-Extra-CCC-Translations-SPOILERS?p=1271458#post1271458

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On the matter of arranged marriages-I had no idea if Karin had set something up or not. As things were currently, it made sense for nobility to try to push for a marriage with Germania to solidify an alliance
It makes sense in canon and in here to follow canon

but with my birth a quite rowdy faction had popped up demanding the princess to be betrothed to me.
But with my SI shippers had started demanding the princess be betrothed to me, prefarably married at the end of the story when she comes of age (?)

I hadn't been involved -mostly because I had no intention of getting involved in it-
I'm not an idiot

but I had ears, and I was pretty sure everything would rear its ugly head by the time the princess turned twelve. Until then, she was a playmate of Louise, and Wales regularly came to visit due to the instability of his home country, which made it a poor place to grow up a child of royalty.
I'm again, not an idiot

Soon, it would all be over.
MUAHAHAHAHA I have my brilliant Coup de Grae that you guys can't predict that will end this waifu shipping nonsense before it begins.

Or do I?
 
I have no idea if what they call "will" in the sense of magic can be built up in the same sense that boot camp can build what we call "will" more generally... but I rather suspect it can't. If boot camp could make students more powerful spellcasters then they would already put students through boot camp at the Academy.
It's not leisurely practicing magic in a school that takes you from dot to line. From all accounts its stressful events and emotions that push you past your existing limits.

And they don't do boot camp because nobody in the equivalent time period understands the psychology required to even propose the concept properly. Sure they could train groups and establish a bond between troops but the polished "boot camp" concept and implementation is a modern idea and fully OOC for the natives.
 
"Ah, becoming a Line mage might help for our naming," Anthoine said as I exposed my idea. "But usually, that happens after some sort of personal experience makes the mage improve-I don't know how to explain it better, but Gascon said that he realized he could cast with two elements while jumping out of a mansion with a very angry father pursuing him."
"I wish to reach Line before my naming ceremony-do you have any ideas on what I could do?" as soon as I asked that, Wardes tensed slightly.

"There is nothing I can recommend," Wardes pointed out. "With enough practice, Henry-"
"But you did it all the same, because you didn't care about the pain, only about the results," I said quite bluntly, receiving an equally blunt flinch on Wardes side. I clenched my fists. "I don't care about the pain either, Wardes."
So I'm thinking Wardes had gone up to Line (you could say he went OnLine :V ) when he discovered his parents' research?
 
Okay here's the thing, and this is what I don't get. Karin is the definition of a proper noble, and a firm believer in a firm approach to education, but, BUT I think she would be an excellent teacher because of it. I don't know why everyone seems to think Karin is going to give Henry hell-training because... hell-training doesn't work, and to be honest? Karin probably knows that better than anyone. She got powerful because she was smart in how she used wind, and while prodigious natural talent probably helped a bit, it's that first part that made her terrifying.

That said from all of her interactions, she strikes me as a person who desperately wants a way to 'connect' with her children. She clearly loves them dearly, and despite her driving need to be seen as a proper noble she really does want her kids to have the best. I think having Henry get master-level training from Karin would be a good thing for both of them because... if I were a parent I wouldn't want my kinds to feel gibbering terror around me. or feel the need to walk on eggshells around me all the time. Maybe the big thing here for her, and her ardent desire to have a child with a Wind affinity is more so that she can spend time trying to share something that matters to her with her child. Something that'll allow her to have that close relationship she wants so desperately despite her drive to be a right proper lady.

Just a thought.
 
I think everyone going on about him not wanting training from the best wind mage around is missing the point.

He doesn't want to disappoint his mother.
 
Chapter Twenty-Six
Chapter Twenty-Six

Sparring couldn't be done at the academy. Duels were forbidden, and the Academy did not want to risk their students lives with a spell poorly aimed. Even Wardes, for all of his skills, was nervous about this. The Void day was spent in the morning seeking out potions to heal oneself from the alchemists of the capital -they weren't the type that filled one's health point bar immediately, but simply ensured bruises and scraps would be gone before the end of the night.

Then, since we had all the space in the world in the stretch of land between the capital and the school, we found ourselves a secluded spot away from the eyes of the travellers on the road and tied our horses to a nearby tree.

"Thinking back, what I did back then was foolish to the extreme," Wardes said suddenly, "Perhaps this isn't a good idea at all."

I raised an eyebrow. "Well, we went through all this trouble-most certainly, I'm not seeing the problem. Worst comes to pass, claim a fallen noble attacked us both and left me for dead."

Wardes' eyes widened in disbelief, "That's-rather than saying that, wouldn't it have been better to say something like, if it's you, Jean-Jacques, I'm sure nothing bad will happen?"

I blinked back in answer, and then shook my head. "Didn't you say it had to hurt for it to be real?" to which he nodded. "Then, how can hurt not be something bad?" I chuckled. "Come on, Jean-Jacques. I'm not a kid."

We took our distances from one another, and as we stood face to face, I raised my wand and he did the same. The gleaming tip of the swordwands that encased both of our wands had been rendered magically blunt, but if it hit an eye, it was still going to carve it out, so head-attacks were a big no-no. "To first blood," Jean-Jacques said in the end, "At the count of three-two-one-go."

As Wardes closed the distance, I could hear him chant even as I did the same. In the end, a duel between mages was all about concentrating about it, especially if they were both well-versed in the usage of a swordwand. While thrusts and blocks and deflections went on the physical part of the confrontation, the mental part was taken over by the need to chant, understand what the opponent was saying, and yet not stop chanting while also thinking about the best way to direct the spell in question in order to either deflect the incoming spell, or hit the enemy.

He raised his swordwand slightly up in diagonal, deflecting my incoming thrust before closing in with his shoulder. I answered by bending further down, twisting my body to deliver a roundhouse kick to his ankle.

"Match." The tip of Wardes' swordwand was poised to strike my neck, the older boy grinning even as he stopped his chant. I exhaled, stopping my own chant. Neither of us had managed to throw off a spell, too quickly had the match ended.

"Giving my back was stupid," I acquiesced.

"That it was," Jean-Jacques remarked. "Perhaps keep the pirouettes for the dances?" he added, even as I chuckled and shook my head. "Now, once more."

The blades met with resounding clangor, "Wind blades born of the surrounding air, be my swords against those who bar my path-" as I spoke hurriedly, twisting blades of air formed around me, just as Wardes' own chant came to an end and a powerful blast of air cancelled my own blades, sending me to skedaddle backwards, my ass hitting the dirt with enough strength to make me gasp. "Gaah." I opened my mouth to say something, and found the tip of Wardes' swordwand inside, resting atop my tongue.

"Match." Wardes was smiling about this, even as he removed the swordwand.

"That was quite lewd of you, Jean-Jacques, putting your swordwand in my mouth like that," I coughed out the metallic taste of the swordwand, even as Wardes had the decency to look shocked.

"I went looking for that," Jean-Jacques said. "I really did, didn't I?" he laughed, and I joined him in his chuckles too even as I stood up.

"Once more," I said, "With feeling, this time!" I brought my left hand behind my back, bending my knees as I made a few thrusts in the air while Jean-Jacques resumed his position. The blades met each others and parried, blocked, and created sparks. "Swirling gales, freezing breezes, twisting clouds, I call you forth to hide me from sight-" as fog began to spread out from the tip of my wand, Wardes simply smiled, and then said two simple words, "Air hammer-" the chant was longer, but that singular gust of concussive wind force was enough to blast the fog away.

Since he hadn't said the full chant, it wasn't at full force, so I quickly resumed my attacks. "Hammer of air born of the highest winds, come blast my foes away from me-" I chanted, and by the time the spell was ready to be thrown, Wardes had already moved sideways using a Fly spell to avoid the blast. Differently from levitation, flight was faster, but required concentration to keep up.

Used like this, he immediately landed and resumed chanting for a air hammer spell.

"Gales of wind, grant me speed-" I chanted as I rushed forward to close the distance, "swiftly, grant wings to my feet-" my feet left the ground as my speed increased. In a split second, I was upon Wardes. In less than a split second, Wardes swatted my blade away, grabbed me by the arm, and then proceeded to throw me over his shoulders, slamming my back on the ground with a gasp on my side as the speed met the ground and resulted in the laws of physics earning a victory over me.

"Match." Wardes' voice was a mixture of teasing and triumphant.

"You understand, this means war," I said quite firmly. "Now...help me up, please." I extended an arm, and Jean-Jacques quickly caught it, helping me back up. I dusted myself off, and cracked my neck slightly. "All right, no more games."

One minute later, Wardes would say match once more. Two minutes later, it was the same result. The third time wasn't the charm. Neither were times numbered four and five. By the sixth, I was pretty much beat.

"You are...a horrible person..." I gasped amidst lungful of air, my forehead covered in sweat. "How can you be...pristine...even after all..."

"I will give you points for persistence," Jean-Jacques said with a chuckle, "but since you haven't even hit me once, it's obvious I would not be dirty."

I raised a hand to dismiss away the issue, and then hung my head low. "I'm sorry I took away your entire Void-Day."

"Don't be, it is something I will write later tonight in my exchange diary. I am sure your sister will enjoy having a good laugh while I recap your glorious...attempts," Jean-Jacques pointed out. I gave him a flat stare, he looked back at me with a warm smile.

"I'm going to be upfront about this, Jean-Jacques, so please be honest in turn," I said with a sigh. "What are my chances of reaching Line before the naming ceremony?"

Jean-Jacques scratched his chin, and then smiled. "Well, if we keep this up, perhaps we can manage in time."

"Are you sure? Wouldn't you rather enjoy your Void days with your friends?" I asked, only for Wardes to draw near and proceed to put a hand on my shoulder.

"Henry, you're my friend too. And I see them regularly throughout the week-it's not like they're going to miss me terribly if I take one day off them to spar with you," he grinned, and I blushed. That was cheesy, Wardes. Cheesy, and underhanded.

"Then, I'll be in your care," I said as I exhaled. "You didn't use lightning once, though," I remarked.

"Let's keep Line spells for when you actually have a good chance at dodging them," Jean-Jacques said, "Now let's get back before they start serving dinner. Unless you're full?"

"From eating the dust?" I retorted, rolling my eyes. "Please, I could keep this up the whole day." I raised my chin slightly higher. "Covered in dirt or dust, as long as one has done his due, then it's not grime, but glory he is covered in."

Wardes said nothing, but it was clear by the way he was smiling that he simply found it amusing.

I hummed contently.

Everything was going better than I expected.
 
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