If those issues are intense enough to make Henry instantly descend into a screaming rage after 15 years of "nice life", why haven't they made any appearance in the 15 years we followed him before this? Hell even without proper foreshadowing this rage would be a lot more convincing if you just wrote down what memory he was experiencing instead of going straight to AND THEN HE WAS REALLY ANGRY.


If you wanted to convince me Henry was actually feeling very strong emotions under his poker face this whole time, then you'd have to actually show Henry dropping his poker face in private or make some references to him struggling to hold it in place. As is, trolling people is not a rofl scenario behind his mask its just mildly amusing. And his emotions outside of humor are even more muted. His reaction to his twin being diagnosed with fatal illness is completely skipped over, and his friendships with Antoine and Wardes are constantly undercut by the keikaku narration.

15 goddamn years following this guy and the one thing that's made him laugh enough to cry... is standing in a forest by himself thinking funny thoughts??? Yeah, no. From the character and behaviors established so far, I am completely unconvinced Henry would be able to drive himself to hysterics or blind rage that easily.

Let me tell you something.

There are two types of narrative surprises.

The first is the one where the writer decides to help his readers along, and sprinkles hints along the text that help in understanding who is the murderer.

The second is the 'out of the left field' surprise, which hits you like a baseball bat from out of nowhere and leaves you wtfing.

Until now, Henry has never been alone as in 'alone alone'. Surrounded by servants, one room away from them, always under scrutiny or watch. Is it so surprising that his first time alone makes him like that?

Having feelings bottled up for a long, long time, when they finally come out, they come out explosively.

At least, that was my case. So, kindly, unless you somehow found a way to get to know me better than I know myself-how about you leave the remarks on what I would possibly feel and whatnot...to me? Like-seriously, Minorgryph-I'll gladly acknowledge when I'm wrong concerning the ZnT verse, but when it comes to myself, I'm the expert.
 
I think what he is trying to say isn't that you are portraying yourself wrong, but rather that the intensity of your SI's emotional outburst was out of left field - that the previous chapters didn't clearly show intense emotions being bottled away, so instead of letting loose it seems more like the SI is pulling passions out of the air, ex nihilo.
 
but when it comes to myself, I'm the expert.
Now that is just asking for the dramatic plot twist.

Questions: Will you reveal your affinity soon, or is it not a big deal and you can confirm it now?

Two: Will you go through the weapon stores in the capital in search of Derfingler? A magic eating talking sword is quite a boon. You can even buy one extremely high quality blade of your prefered style from a more reputabld smith and transfer Derf to it.

Three: How would a battle between an Elf and a Square Mage go?
 

Well, that's more of a narrative decision then. I could have gone with showing bits of it, but hey, I've been considered too much of an angster, so if I did that, of course people would react by citing I'm making things angsty. So I've decided that when shit hits the fan, they won't get wind of it.

This way, everyone's happy until the moment the big bad meteor murders everyone with love and friendship!
 
why didn't Karin or the Duque offer any tip on how to improve your magical output?

this is the kind on information that they should have passed on. some sort of family training method or tip on their specific elements.
 
why didn't Karin or the Duque offer any tip on how to improve your magical output?

this is the kind on information that they should have passed on. some sort of family training method or tip on their specific elements.
That comes in the summer break. Right now, they're still covering the basics of magic and trying to figure out their elemental affinity, and it's best to leave that to the actual instructors/professors.
 
That comes in the summer break. Right now, they're still covering the basics of magic and trying to figure out their elemental affinity, and it's best to leave that to the actual instructors/professors.
re is practicing magic since he was eleven. they should have given him some tips, all the other kids received some sort of special training.

it wouldn'tbe unusual for him to have received some, all his friends had.
 
re is practicing magic since he was eleven. they should have given him some tips, all the other kids received some sort of special training.

it wouldn'tbe unusual for him to have received some, all his friends had.
He probably had some tips, but not any great secret so far. Those will likely come after graduation, and possibly after some real life experience as well.
 
re is practicing magic since he was eleven. they should have given him some tips, all the other kids received some sort of special training.

it wouldn'tbe unusual for him to have received some, all his friends had.
If you were referring to Anthoine's gold lettering, that was just a simple flashy cantrip with no practical use.

D'you think Karin would teach something like that?

And do you have a quote for all the other kids receiving similar training?
 
If you were referring to Anthoine's gold lettering, that was just a simple flashy cantrip with no practical use.

D'you think Karin would teach something like that?

And do you have a quote for all the other kids receiving similar training?
I was mentioning Anthoine's golens and fire magic, Andre's water magic and fire magic and Henriette fire magic.

All of them have show better magic than him or the same as him in their second element.

his wind is not that great, his fire also is not his best and his earth is not something to write home about and hi didn't mentioned his water when Andre was talking about his affinity for that element.

for now, he appear to be very underpowered and weak.

and notice that I didn't say the heavy wind, but some tips on using his willpower better or what kind of mentality would be better for this or that spell.
 
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If you wanted to convince me Henry was actually feeling very strong emotions under his poker face this whole time, then you'd have to actually show Henry dropping his poker face in private or make some references to him struggling to hold it in place.
Uh....

There are.. dozens of those?

I mean, did we even read the same story?

Not counting every single interaction with Karen, and every single italicised ending line every post - because that's more of a stylistic choice, lesse:

I vaguely remembered opening my eyes and thinking 'this is wrong'. The rest was a confused blur. No, more than a confused blur, it was a sort of 'not going to think about this, not going to remember this, no, no, no' followed by screaming. Much to my dismay, I didn't stop screaming for a long, long time.

Thus, in order to be prepared for any circumstance, I had to first prepare my mind for my body wasn't yet ready. It was clear on which part of the 'trio' my mother veered me, if nothing else due to the fact that she once decided I would 'enjoy' a ride on a Manticore, and thus decided to bring her familiar out of his well-earned retirement just to make me experience first-hand what it was like to fly in the sky.

Liberating? Perhaps.

Scary? Oh, you have no idea.

I kept my eyes closed throughout the entire ordeal, gritting my teeth and hoping it would be over soon. If man was meant to fly, then they'd be given wings rather than feet!

I didn't want to find out, I didn't want to risk finding out, and thus I kept my best, straight-faced and honest poker-face on while I answered questions that honestly made me die inside a little bit at the time.

I would have loved to hum something, but the moment I started was the moment Karin's glare centered on me, and thus made me grow eerily quiet. One day, mother, I'll be a Square Mage and I'll beat your hurricanes off, and then I'll sing the raunchiest songs I can find at the loudest possible volume, with an electric guitar too!

On the other hand, after the gruesome mean of 'travel' we had faced, I was pretty much ready to make an absolute fool out of myself and remark with a 'sucks to be you' right in front of baby-Henrietta and the rest of the court, just to see how many colors of pink Karin could turn to.

I didn't though, because I was above petty revenges, and I was sure I'd get my head on a pike, child or not.

Of course you are, Wardes. Of course you are. Now forgive me while I waste ten seconds thinking on how to best murder you and make it look like an accident, you bastard. No, no, let's be polite. This is kid-Wardes, he's what, ten? Nine? He can't have the soul of an evil bastard already.

No, no, no. I wanted the boot camp experience of 'not having any servants lingering around'. I swear-if I'll ever get into the military, I will have the raunchy, disgusting, all-alone experience where I get to wipe my own ass and nobody tries to interfere.

As much as I found it utterly moronic, the piano and the dance lessons were to be done, and thus, I would do them.

"The Hippogriffs?" Wardes replied with his eyebrows scrunching up in thought. "I think they would be in the stables. Unless they are out patrolling the gardens?" as soon as he said that, I would have slapped myself on the forehead. Of course they would have them patrol the premises of the castle. "Though we aren't allowed to leave this room, your Grace," Wardes continued, ruthlessly squashing my dreams.

"Wardes," I said gently, "he is young, and highly impressionable. Whether I find it distasteful or not, it does not matter to me. Should he aim his charms on one of my sisters, I would, of course, murder him in his sleep and hide his corpse somewhere they wouldn't be able to find him," I whispered with the smile still on my lips, much to Wardes' surprise. "But I have no intention of admonishing him out of some misguided attempt at playing the White Knight of fairy tale stories. Especially because this way, I earn myself a friend, rather than make myself an enemy...and of this 'friend', I know his sins."

"No," I replied with a lazy shrug of my shoulders, breaching enough 'etiquette' rules about shrugging that if my mother had see me, she would have whipped me with the etiquette book on my ass, but she didn't, so nothing happened. "It is just that some people can make enemies, but I cannot afford that-or my mother will punish me most severely." I shuddered slightly. "Noblesse Oblige, Wardes. Noblesse Oblige."

I nodded most resolutely, my mouth salivating at the thought of holding on to the wand, of learning magic, of-as the wand exchanged hands, and I clutched it, I could feel the warmth in my chest spread from sheer excitement. I was going to quake the ground, rip the land-destroy the trees, or perhaps what? Create wonders? Use Alchemy to brew poisons, or miraculous healing potions?

"I asked mother if I could come to the princess' next birthday party," she said in a murmur, "But mother said no. She says I might end up sick, and it would be an imposition on her majesty if I had to be taken care of at the royal palace. It would be terrible to ruin the princess' birthday with my sickness, but...I have no one to write to while you and big sister do, and...and you're not always here, so I feel lonely-" Cattleya began to sniffle, and that was-that was the most heart wrenching sound I had ever heard.

There were three options in front of me, and all three seemed to hinge on protecting her smile.

I could go on, but you get the point.

Literally every single internal monologue I've seen of Henry has painted a picture of a heavily self-controlled and repressed person, who is only barely managing to hold it in under the various obligations and stresses he is under. He pushes the boundaries as much as he can get away with, but I'm still seeing barely restrained anger under there all the time.

That he would explode the first time he is in true private is not just unsurprising, but expected.

Quite honestly, we're lucky he hasn't gone the Oberas route and taken up recreational murder.
 
15 goddamn years following this guy and the one thing that's made him laugh enough to cry... is standing in a forest by himself thinking funny thoughts??? Yeah, no. From the character and behaviors established so far, I am completely unconvinced Henry would be able to drive himself to hysterics or blind rage that easily.

I'm really confused about why you're confused. It's not hard to make yourself feel a certain way; I can get angry for a while by concentrating on that asshole in eighth grade and wanting it. It's just that I never do that because that would be stupid and pointless. Here, though, getting mad makes Henry better at magic. So he does.

Like, entirely aside from the "does he have anything to be mad about" thing... do you guys not have any control over your emotions?
 
Uh....

There are.. dozens of those?

I mean, did we even read the same story?

Not counting every single interaction with Karen, and every single italicised ending line every post - because that's more of a stylistic choice, lesse:

I could go on, but you get the point.

Literally every single internal monologue I've seen of Henry has painted a picture of a heavily self-controlled and repressed person, who is only barely managing to hold it in under the various obligations and stresses he is under. He pushes the boundaries as much as he can get away with, but I'm still seeing barely restrained anger under there all the time.

That he would explode the first time he is in true private is not just unsurprising, but expected.

Quite honestly, we're lucky he hasn't gone the Oberas route and taken up recreational murder.
If he had actually blown up over his current issues and repressed lifestyle I wouldn't have an issue. But instead all of that shit was explicitly stated to be more annoying than angering, and the rage is attributed to offscreen past life backstory removed from anything relevant to the story by 15 years of reincarnation.

At the very least an infodump about what the rage inducing memory was would have been appreciated.

I'm really confused about why you're confused. It's not hard to make yourself feel a certain way; I can get angry for a while by concentrating on that asshole in eighth grade and wanting it. It's just that I never do that because that would be stupid and pointless. Here, though, getting mad makes Henry better at magic. So he does.

Like, entirely aside from the "does he have anything to be mad about" thing... do you guys not have any control over your emotions?
Driving oneself into an incoherent screaming fit in less than two seconds is way beyond what anyone would define as 'basic' emotional control. Fucking Caboose had to try harder than Henry to accomplish that.
 
Ignoring all other considerations the problem isn't necessarily how believable the SI is acting, but how consistent the Main Character is. And the distinction comes because we as readers don't care about the reasoning behind the scenes, but more about what is presented to us.

Not ignoring all considerations on the other hand the problem I feel comes from the departure of the normal snippets into something new without accommodating for that change. I mean consider that the snippets prior to this are mostly snippets whose focus is the interaction between two or more characters and the new one is just about Henry. And the thing is that we don't have any baseline on Henry by himself.

Now personally this is unsatisfying not because it doesn't make sense, but rather because the reveal wasn't..... well............. important to me.

As far as I can tell, Henry has a lot of repressed emotions due to his noble responsibilities. And this means what exactly...??????

I mean think about LOTR (the movie) and how there are a number of fucking things that come out of nowhere with no or minimal forewarning about the thing itself. Yet what little forewarning was remembered because of how significant it is or the things themself are important in some gripping way that it's out of nowhere introduction didn't really ruin the story (though admittedly most were just good rather than great).

This isn't really seen here since most of the snippets are slice of lifey and thus aren't really important. And this one thing that would have been a momentous occasion... just didn't live up to that 'standard'
 
Chapter Twenty-Four
Chapter Twenty-Four

Sometimes, what one needs is a good friend to cheer him up. Sometimes, one needs a good book. I was hanging around the Vestri courtyard with my hands on a book, my eyes closing themselves due to the heat. The lessons at the magic Academy began in Spring, and finished with the end of Summer. Rather than have the coldest months as a focus for studying, we had the warmest ones.

Whoever thought of this must have been the kind of noble that enjoyed watching others suffer beneath the heat. On the other side, I was quite content with my positioning in the courtyard, under the shadow of the tower.

Two open letters rested in my lap. The first was from Cattleya, and the second was from my mother. I had written to them both as was proper form, and in turn received answers by the end of the next day. Mother wasn't pleased I wasn't the first in class like Eleonore had been, but she was glad I hadn't broken any rules, or forgotten about the importance of etiquette. Cattleya was instead sad I couldn't come back home every Void Day. I had written a letter to Louise, and the way she answered told me she had begun with the calligraphy lessons already -there wasn't a single blotch of ink on the paper even if I tried my hardest to find it.

I'd write back to Cattleya by the end of the day, but for mother I'd wait the end of the month -if there was no reason to write, then writing frivolous stuff was a big no-no in her opinion. Louise was a bit of a grey area. She was the future Void Mage, but right in that moment, she was just a young noble lady with a penchant for getting things done her way and huffing and puffing until it was done.

She was, plainly put, the spoiled youngest child of the family. The day she took up a wand and stuff began to explode would be the day she learned a bitter lesson in humility, but until then, she felt there was nothing wrong with her life, and indeed there wasn't. She was still terrified of Karin, though who could blame her?

Anthoine was drinking tea while entertaining Henriette, and André was out horse riding once more. I was currently busy reading a page concerning the union of different elements and their practical aspects. There was quite the amount of variety to a mage's spellcasting potential. A Water mage could easily paralyze an opponent's body with water elements alone, but a combination of air and fire could do the same thing, by causing a heatstroke that forced the muscles to twitch rapidly and shake, making the target lose his mobility.

A single element could be used with quite the effect, but when two came into play, one could either enhance the effects of the previous spell, or create new combinations of it, which once mixed with new chants, birth new spells of sorts.

Magic was quite fascinating, heresy of learning prohibited spells aside.

"Look Josephine, Valliere is alone right now-it is my chance?" I shuddered and then steeled myself. Fine, come on, come closer.

"I don't know Camille-he is reading, do you think it is wise to disturb him?" her friend replied in a barely audible whisper, but my ears picked it up all the same. I flipped a page, and sighed.

"Love, like tilling fields, can only release the greatest of bounties when you pour hard work into it," Camille Du Tremelle said with a determined voice, and I blinked in surprise at that. It was...pretty much a nice thing to say. I approved of it. I closed my book, and stood up. My eyes locked with those of the two girls sitting at the nearby table staring at me like deer caught by a car's headlight, and I smiled as I began to walk towards them.

"He heard you," Josephine whispered, "I think he heard you."

Camille's breathing grew sparse, her face a nice red color as I placed a hand on the free seat in front of them. "Is this seat free?" I asked kindly, a smile on my face. Camille choked on her spit but quickly nodded. "I think it's better if we talk to one another like this, rather than the one-sided conversation of before," I said. "Don't you agree?"

"D-Duke, no-your grace-no, Vallier-e," Camille stammered out, her eyes wide and her breathing growing quicker by the second.

"It's Henry, my fair lady Camille," I said with a smile. "Remember the headmaster's words. We should talk to one another with our first names, to foster friendship."

Camille actually salivated. It was like staring at Jabba the Hutt seconds before he began to lick Leia, and it was not a nice spectacle, but I had a strong stomach, and could withstand such sights. I turned my eyes to Josephine for a brief moment, "I couldn't help but overhear-is there something you wished to ask of me?"

"My birthday," Camille said suddenly, capturing my attention once more, "It will be soon-my mother felt it would be nice if my classmates could attend it. The headmaster was gracious enough to grant permission of using the Void tower for it, but as soon as it is, I find myself without a knight-" she looked hopeful in my direction.

"I understand," I said with a nod, "Unfortunately, as much as it pains me to ruin your hopes, I am already engaged and thus cannot attend as your knight," I smiled gently. "I would rather be upfront about this, rather than break your heart later."

"I understand," Camille said with her hands clenching her robes, her eyes downcast, "I suppose it is sensible-my impudence be damned-who is it? For someone like the future Duke of the la Valliere, it has to be someone worthy of him so...the princess?"

I shook my head. "Loathe as I am to admit it, I do not know myself. My mother, the Heavy Wind-she made the decision and decided to keep it from me until I finished with the academy. It could be anyone, but I dare not ask her," I chuckled, "If you are amenable to it, I can attend as your friend, Miss Camille," I added. "It is a meager thing, but if you would rather I were not there to begin with, I will understand."

"No, it is-you really are a gentle man, but-" Camille shook her head, "I fear I'll make a fool of myself if I stay here a moment longer-" and with that said, she stood up and rushed away, her hands covering her face as Josephine followed after her.

I simply sighed, and opened my book once more.

"Oi, Henry!" Anthoine hissed from behind me, "Did you just make the Du Tremelle girl cry?"

"It was that, or make her suffer far more in the long run," I pointed out. "Sometimes, we need to gather our courage and face unpleasant things head on before they become impossibly unpleasant things. That is what it means to be responsible for one's own fate-to be an adult, a proper noble," I grimaced. "But indeed, I made a young girl cry and that is quite unacceptable. If needed, I'll apologize to her later."

"Well," Anthoine said, "my older brothers would say that it's unforgivable to give up on a lady's love, and that you should surround yourself with all the love you can find-" he furrowed his brows, "But their wives don't really agree with that."

"Why would they?" Henriette said, "I don't think it's nice to play with someone's feelings like that."

"But then, people might get hurt," Antoine replied. "If you can choose between hurting ten women, or hurting none-then the choice is obvious, isn't it?"

"That's only if they don't find out," Henriette rebutted, "if they do, you'll be hurting them a lot because they trusted in you, and you betrayed their trust." She huffed, shaking her head. "Are all the Gramonts like that?"

"No, of course not," Anthoine said hastily, "only my elder brothers-Guiche seems fine for the moment-" he looked at me, and I looked back at him.

"Anthoine is surprisingly honest," I said gently. "I have yet to see him string along two ladies at the same time. Perhaps if caught young, he might become someone suitable?" I hummed and returned to my book, flipping a page.

The next moment, a scribbled Thank you appeared in glittering golden letters on the corner of my book, and as I tapped it away with my wand, I simply chuckled and resumed reading.

I am the wing man my friends need, not the one they deserve.

On the matter of arranged marriages-I had no idea if Karin had set something up or not. As things were currently, it made sense for nobility to try to push for a marriage with Germania to solidify an alliance, but with my birth a quite rowdy faction had popped up demanding the princess to be betrothed to me.

I hadn't been involved -mostly because I had no intention of getting involved in it- but I had ears, and I was pretty sure everything would rear its ugly head by the time the princess turned twelve. Until then, she was a playmate of Louise, and Wales regularly came to visit due to the instability of his home country, which made it a poor place to grow up a child of royalty.

I simply waited, and cherished my time beneath a warm sun and a book in my hands.

Soon, it would all be over.
 
Let me tell you something.

There are two types of narrative surprises.

The first is the one where the writer decides to help his readers along, and sprinkles hints along the text that help in understanding who is the murderer.

The second is the 'out of the left field' surprise, which hits you like a baseball bat from out of nowhere and leaves you wtfing.

Until now, Henry has never been alone as in 'alone alone'. Surrounded by servants, one room away from them, always under scrutiny or watch. Is it so surprising that his first time alone makes him like that?

Having feelings bottled up for a long, long time, when they finally come out, they come out explosively.

At least, that was my case. So, kindly, unless you somehow found a way to get to know me better than I know myself-how about you leave the remarks on what I would possibly feel and whatnot...to me? Like-seriously, Minorgryph-I'll gladly acknowledge when I'm wrong concerning the ZnT verse, but when it comes to myself, I'm the expert.
Grumpy Henry is even more Grumpy.

Just remembering the indignities of being a baby as an adult must be absolutely infuriating.
 
. She was still terrified of Karin, though who could blame her?

Eh. Henry keeps going on about how terrifying Karin is, and I've never quite gotten it. Sure she's the Heavy Wind. So what, in the context of being one of her children being disciplined? It's like going on about how you're frightened of your mother because she's a sniper with XX confirmed kills. So what? She's not going kill you. Any punishment will be because she's your parent and has great power over you. In which case what makes Karin any scarier than anyone else's parent?

As far as I can see, Henry has always been so afraid of what Karin's discipline would be like that he's never actually put her to the test to find out. The one time she almost did, Karin backed down and left it at a symbolic gust of wind. Does he seriously think she'd hit him with a blast of air hard enough to cause real long term injury under any circumstances?

Anthoine was drinking tea while entertaining Henriette, and André was out horse riding once more. I was currently busy reading a page concerning the union of different elements and their practical aspects. There was quite the amount of variety to a mage's spellcasting potential. A Water mage could easily paralyze an opponent's body with water elements alone, but a combination of air and fire could do the same thing, by causing a heatstroke that forced the muscles to twitch rapidly and shake, making the target lose his mobility.

Now that Henry's learning the details of magic works, does he think this whole elemental classification system is actually accurate or is it a construct that someone made up and they've pounded magic into that pattern ever since?

Camille actually salivated. It was like staring at Jabba the Hutt seconds before he began to lick Leia, and it was not a nice spectacle, but I had a strong stomach, and could withstand such sights. I turned my eyes to Josephine for a brief moment, "I couldn't help but overhear-is there something you wished to ask of me?"

I kind of feel sorry for Camille. If only she was pretty, everyone would be forgiving of her personality flaws. She doesn't actually seem that much worse than most other noble girls, just easier to hold in contempt because she's ugly.
 
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