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Well if you want idea i give you some mostly utilitarian things that could be used in-universe

*So not sure what you have for planed ranged weapons but my suggestion would be an air gun, have a the internals be an organic substance that both breathes and pressurizes air when the "Lung" is full it stop breathing in air have it attached to a barrel that is closed off at one end have the closed off end is connected the "Lung" when the trigger/button is pulled/pressed have closed end open and with that you have a crude air gun that shots out water bead like pellets that contain specialized amoebae that dissolve into some variation of knockout gas when exposed to air.

*An trauma plate idea that could be interesting basic it the amalgamation between Clay,Oobleck and memory foam kind of, looks and feels like clay when first made can molded into various shapes. This molding period last for only a short time and once done the materiel will memorize the shape it is currently in and return to that shape if changed in any matter i'm pretty sure you can guess the rest of the capabilities from here so i am going to be lazy

Yikes finally typed all of this down i really have to much time on my hands to be thinking of things like this
 
DragoNT said:
*An trauma plate idea that could be interesting basic it the amalgamation between Clay,Oobleck and memory foam kind of, looks and feels like clay when first made can molded into various shapes. This molding period last for only a short time and once done the materiel will memorize the shape it is currently in and return to that shape if changed in any matter i'm pretty sure you can guess the rest of the capabilities from here so i am going to be lazy
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that seems fairly comprehensive for kinetic how about heat and radiological?

heat is easy with aerogels

just maximizing internal surface area and filling the insides with a gas of high isobaric mass heat capacity. helium or CO2 maybe?

lasers can be 'foiled' :V with thin reflective surfaces but she has nothing for straight gama or neutron radiation besides the water content of her stuff.
 
globalwarmth said:
that seems fairly comprehensive for kinetic how about heat and radiological?

heat is easy with aerogels

just maximizing internal surface area and filling the insides with a gas of high isobaric mass heat capacity. helium or CO2 maybe?

lasers can be 'foiled' :V with thin reflective surfaces but she has nothing for straight gama or neutron radiation besides the water content of her stuff.
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Don't ask me i failed science class, all of my idea are literally half-assed guess's at how science works im just lucky that i'm Very good at guess and ideas
 
DragoNT said:
have a the internals be an organic substance
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that contain specialized amoebae
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The idea is nice, but Taylor isn't a biotinker. Her squiggles do swim by compressing fluid bladders to create a jet of water, a lot like actual squids.

Taylor is actually pretty decent at shapechanging materials. She is already using similar ideas in her units. Not exactly the same, but similar.

globalwarmth said:
heat is easy with aerogels
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True, and her stuff is surprisingly heart resistant, though it hasn't come up yet in story as relevant.

globalwarmth said:
she has nothing for straight gama or neutron radiation besides the water content of her stuff.
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Those are rather specific threats. Of the two, gamma would be the biggest threat to her, as an attack. Neutrons moving fast enough to get through her armor is basically a particle weapon out of sci fi, with the benefit that it can't be blocked magnetically. However, gamma rays have much greater inherent penetrating power. One of those issues may be relevant eventually. I'm actually unsure about it though. I guess we'll find out later.

Walpurgusnacht said:
Look at The quest masks.
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Maybe edit in a link to your post? Just a thought for making things easier for anybody else interested in your suggestion.


Edit: I know neutrons are neutral. I just can't speech sometimes.
 
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Tascion said:
Those are rather specific threats. Of the two, gamma would be the biggest threat to her, as an attack. Neutrons moving fast enough to get through her armor is basically a particle weapon out of sci fi, and one that can be blocked magnetically. However, gamma rays have much greater inherent penetrating power. One of those issues may be relevant eventually. I'm actually unsure about it though. I guess we'll find out later.
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Actually, Neutrons can't be blocked with magnets, since they're neutral. On the other hand, things with a lot of carbon Hydrogen content (like Parafin, I thinkPolyethylene and Water) do a good job blocking it, so Taylor's probably good on that front.
 
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Tascion said:
Those are rather specific threats. Of the two, gamma would be the biggest threat to her, as an attack. Neutrons moving fast enough to get through her armor is basically a particle weapon out of sci fi, and one that can be blocked magnetically. However, gamma rays have much greater inherent penetrating power. One of those issues may be relevant eventually. I'm actually unsure about it though. I guess we'll find out later
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I mean it is a science fiction setting:p

And besides tinkers and blasters the big one is Behemoth
 
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Actually, Neutrons can't be blocked with magnets, since they're neutral.
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Why can't I make typos that make me look smarter than I am, rather than dumber.

globalwarmth said:
And besides tinkers and blasters the big one is Behemoth
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"Hey dad, my turtle units and I are going to fight Behemoth."

"Nope, sorry, we don't have the time."

"Dad, hero time is all the time!"

"Nope, not enough time. I'm moving this family to Ganymede, starting right now. No daughter of mine is fighting Behemoth."


Yeah, I don't see Taylor fighting Behemoth while Danny is still alive. Maybe Leviathan though.
;-)
 
Tascion said:
The idea is nice, but Taylor isn't a biotinker. Her squiggles do swim by compressing fluid bladders to create a jet of water, a lot like actual squids.

Taylor is actually pretty decent at shapechanging materials. She is already using similar ideas in her units. Not exactly the same, but similar.
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it's not really a lung just an organic polymer thats programed to "breathe" air in until a sufficient level of pressure has been reached and as for the amoebae, having them dissolve into a gas when exsposed to air doesn't seem out of her specialty
 
DragoNT said:
Depends how active would this body double be?, we know from previous chapters that Taylor can make & program machines that look alive but i doubt it could walk to her school and pretend to be her
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I'm thinking more so that Danny can cover for Taylor if he has visitors over when she's Tinkering, but when her public persona is supposed to be at home.
 
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I'm thinking more so that Danny can cover for Taylor if he has visitors over when she's Tinkering, but when her public persona is supposed to be at home.
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I think that this is out of her skill range if she had the help of Dragon maybe they could make it act real enough but i doubt it would be enough to fool people
 
DragoNT said:
it's not really a lung just an organic polymer thats programed to "breathe" air in until a sufficient level of pressure has been reached and as for the amoebae, having them dissolve into a gas when exsposed to air doesn't seem out of her specialty
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With your additional descriptions, I expect you'll be pleased with upcoming chapters. Similar ideas occur to Taylor.

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Curiously, would it be possible for Taylor to make a body double?
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No.

Not for any of the lasted reasons, which is a bit of a surprise to me. Perhaps I haven't been as clear in my writing as I ought to be.

Taylor's units are dumb. Like insect level dumb or worse. If she made something that looked like a person, which she could at her current level of ability, it would be substantially weaker than a human and incapable of emulating human behavior. Keep in mind, no bones as just one issue.

There's a reason Taylor builds small, and pipes being small is only part of it. Until she had resource collection units, she was critically lacking in metals and other components. You can't make good polymers without good catalysts for example. Kind of a chicken and egg problem. Carbon can be diamonds, but it is usually graphite. Taylor is trying to use machines, in this analogy, on the order of graphite to build the tools to work that carbon into diamond.

Eventually, yes, she could build a body double that might fool people.

Eventually, she could make a unit that was human sized and capable of more complex behavior, but that would need a lot of development. Said development would need a real lab, not the basement of her house, and a budget like what Armsmaster gets, for development, raw materials, and really expensive raw materials.

The Heberts are bottom rung middle class, and things aren't looking up for their financial situation. Danny is head of the Dockworkers Union, in a city without any functional shipping. It's an incredible testament to the grit of that union, that it manages to still exist at all.

There is a reason in the years prior to the start of Worm that QA was following Danny around, ready and willing to Halp.

Sorry if that spiel got a bit long. It was a thought provoking question for me.

Walpurgusnacht said:
You have a good thing going so far, I am the tinious bit scared that you will not update for a long time.
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I have some chapters already written. I hope to keep ahead of things.

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Anyway, stuff will keep getting posted for a while yet. In some of the next few bits, Taylor gets to meet some more heroes. It goes :turian:well:turian: for her. Some of them are very excited to meet her, others less so.

(I love that smiley and don't get enough chances to use it.)

I'll be curious how the lot of you guys react. Both in terms of characterization, as I'm not sure I did a good job on a few areas, and if the plot twists are obvious beforehand. I don't think so, but it's hard to tell.
 
Well i won't say that your obvious with the plot because your not but, that turian emoji you used is quite telling about the nature of her future interactions hopefully the PRT isn't to flanderized
 
Hmm I like the pace of this fic most fics go too fast and they miss a lot of world building and character development opportunities. Perhaps power armor is a little too soon maybe some kind of polymer armor similar too ceramic plate armor. Or something like the marines and ODST's in halo have but without the electronics in the helmet?
 
DragoNT said:
Well i won't say that your obvious with the plot because your not but, that turian emoji you used is quite telling about the nature of her future interactions hopefully the PRT isn't to flanderized
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Well, is hard for me to tell. I don't think I flanderize them. Let me know how it goes though from a reader's perspective.

Walpurgusnacht said:
the collective is you have an actual plan.
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Uh, I'm not sure what you mean.

I do not have a plan.

Sorry, I started this story to find out what kind of writer I was and if I could write at all. I spent a while working on a power. I couldn't develop an idea for a power that could escalate like it did in canon without using a Tinker power.

I try to always write with a goal though for each section.

arisen gunman said:
Hmm I like the pace of this fic most fics go too fast and they miss a lot of world building and character development opportunities. Perhaps power armor is a little too soon maybe some kind of polymer armor similar too ceramic plate armor. Or something like the marines and ODST's in halo have but without the electronics in the helmet?
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I'm glad the pacing is good.

It's not a spoiler to say that Taylor is being overly optimistic on the time scales involved in the development of her tech.

She does progress, and perhaps arguably even too quickly, but she won't be producing power armor next week.
 
DragoNT said:
He means the Collective part of your comment that's confusing. Also the "that is planning" line made me do a double take.
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Walpurgusnacht said:
o_OI'm sorry, I don't understand your question.
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So, I've got an outline, but that's updated after I write a chapter, to keep track of what has happened.

When I wriye a chapter, it has stuff happen based on me asking myself 'So, what happens next?', with side questions of 'who hasn't gotten screen time recently?' and 'are any plans of third parties going to impact the POV character?'.

I've got chapters that are already completed, that I haven't posted yet.

Does that information clarify things?
 
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