Metastable

Pretty sure the part that she enjoys the most is the part that has not been mentioned.

Namely zero paperwork. :V

Like, sure she has to deal with amateur hour, but you just cannot beat zero paperwork!
lol, nice.
Piggot will never have to do paperwork she doesn't consider valuable. However, there's a degree of paperwork, of the 'here is a list of your screwups this time' variety, that she'll be encouraging people to make and doing herself.

Frankly, it just keeps becoming more obvious Taylor should have never let Danny and Lisa push her into being a street-level hero. In terms of actually making a difference, lowering herself to the usual parahuman level of punching people in the face is a horrible waste of her powerset, and taking the amount of time needed to get good at it is a horrible waste of her time.
Taylor being disconnected from other people resulted in xenomorphs crawling into a building through a window to carry somebody off.
Extremes are often a bad thing, in either direction.

Typical Brian, trying too hard with names that sound 'cultured'.
Unique names are important, and Brian is big on reputation. He's trying to put in the effort.

So that makes Piggot Statler?
Piggot was meant to be implying that Thrawn was Statler.

Also. Tagg has less authority here I'm betting then in canon.

There is no Undersider gang ascendant here. Like other then the stuff with Amy and Coil has any of this story made it outside the Protectorate and Cape circles? This is like super inside baseball. Right.
It's hard to say how much authority Tagg had in canon compared to how much 'turning a blind eye' to his choices happened. Still, the end result is that he can't act with the same Unwritten Rules violations that he carried out in canon.

If I might suggest, make some mention of it in the story in the future. The last impression we got was that New Wave adults did not want to join the Protectorate (as per Piggot's interlude) and that the PRT was applying pressure, using their actions and the results against them. The fact that they joined implies that their action were enough that they joined rather than facing the alternative. Add the fact that they were moved, which means leaving your home, friends, acquaintances and family behind... (Although leaving family behind is only a negative if they're actually not leeches.) Honestly, given what has occurred I would not on my own come to the belief that the Pelham's were so happy with the PRT that the PRT wouldn't mind them getting custody of Amy and Vicky.
The lack of explanation of what happened to the Pelhams is an unintentional gap, and partly the reason for the delay in my response. I was really sure I had written that, but it turns out to be not the case. I'm not sure if I'll bother doing a rewrite, but to summarize the deal cut with New Wave:
  • The Pelhams join the Protectorate in good standing, forming a new Protectorate District. The four of them have left Brockton Bay, in basically the deal that Brandish was pushing in the initial negotiations (that the PRT can't make them join up and expect them to stay in the city)
  • Flashbang joined the Protectorate in good standing, and is staying in Brockton Bay.
  • Brandish is now a probationary member of the Protectorate, with restricted privileges, as a result of her poorly thought out plans causing the death of Bakuda and indirectly preventing the PRT from attempting to save Bakuda's bomb implanted victims.
  • Victoria joined the Wards, and is a probationary member with restricted privileges over her beating of E88 thugs
  • Amy did not join the Wards, and remains in the guardianship of Mark and Carol.
The PRT doesn't get to unilaterally dictate custody rights, and the assumption would likely be that if both Amy and the Pelhams were fine with it, Amy would go to them first. To be clear, Amy and the Pelhams would be fine with it, if it came to that.

Going back through the story to fix the gaps for an issue that only came up several posts into an extremely narrow hypothetical (The PRT managing to capture the entirety of the Hebert SCONE with Lisa not picking up any warning signs) seems both tiring and not worth the effort, but I wanted to clarify how things stand.

I was referring to the media getting recordings from the PRT, not from SCONE, as the discussion to me seemed to be focusing on the PRT not doing anything but accepting Danny's deal if Tagg captured the inner circle of SCONE, because of media interest and pressure. Now, if the inner circle of SCONE was captured the recordings would come from the PRT. Because they're the people the reporters would go to with questions. And if the PRT provides multiple recordings of them requesting meetings, them trying to confirm bio-tinkering, them asking about whether Recluse would register as an affiliate hero and them asking about whether Recluse could assist against Squealer as well as a recording that seems to indicate that the PRT / Protectorate was willing to deal for water if Recluse quieted their concerns would the reporters see the PRT / Protectorate as being in the wrong or acting in bad faith? Because I don't see that.
And if the reporter thinks Brian / Aisha isn't just wasting his or her time, then the reporter would actually starts to check things with the PRT instead of just writing what he or she was told. (Without actually informing the PRT about this.) And since the PRT apparently leaked while Piggot was in charge and since it hasn't been that long since Tagg took over the reporter would probably be able to find out a bit. Like SCONE rescuing Canary. And the PRT troops along with Shadow Stalker engaging the Empire capes. And multiple communications. or perhaps best described as multiple communication attempts, with Recluse. That puts their known main crime as breaking out somebody sentenced to the Birdcage, not just associating with criminals. That shows the PRT is working against the Empire, going as far as risking the lives of Wards and non capes. (Which is worth a story.) That also shows that the PRT attempted to find options other than stomp out. And then the reporter ignores what Brian or Aisha said and rather writes a story about Wards and PRT personel endangering themselves against the Empire.
Sorry replaying took so long, though I expect my delays were possibly more annoying to me than you.

I guess this is a point of disagreement. I don't believe news organizations will unquestioning side with PRT. I have no doubt both sides, PRT and SCONE, would attempt to spin things to make themselves look good. However, i expect the media to be most interested in whatever draws the most eyes.
Recluse being a biotinker is scary headline, certainly. The PRT lying about Recluse being a biotinker so they can threaten a child with the Birdcage is a far more juicy newstory.

Danny has probably looked at Paige's trial enough to see that it was an unfair trial. Even with media attention. Now, can media attention ensure a fair enough trial? Of course. However, I would suggest that such requires positive or at least neutral attention. And given what has been written that is just supposed to happen. There I differ. If Lisa had dug up secrets that showed off what kind of a person Tagg is, if Aisha and Brian had been told where to get files and recordings, if Lisa had identified sympathetic reporters, if it had been confirmed that Dinah was not somebody the PRT would find, then taking chances that could lead to the PRT raiding SCONE and capturing the inner circle would just have been very risky instead of incredibly stupid. (The risk being that somebody could get killed and that Canary, maybe Purity, maybe Regent and a small possibility that Bitch would get Birdcaged.)
Canary had a clear and very public violent crime.

The capes of the Hebert SCONE have no clear crimes since becoming associated with Recluse and Thrawn, and the more the PRT digs, the more it'll look like Taylor is a hero and that letting Lisa manipulate villains to the side of neutral or faintly positive activites that build Lisa's ego is a great boon for the city.

So, the suit is being kept in Taylor's lab? Meaning Danny has to go down there, get undressed, get into the suit and get dressed again? Please consider changing that to Taylor having made a mobile storage container that requires a bit of upkeep every now and then. One that Danny keeps in his rooms. Or just the suit being something that Danny could keep in his closet. I believe that Tailor would prefer that over her father coming into her lab to undress and dress.
As compared to the Undersiders, Lisa's mercenaries, and Purity? Taylor built a changing room in her lab. It's bigger than the mixing tank she was using previously and far more private. The change you suggest would be more work than fixing the issue with the Pelhams.

Danny has rooms in the lair. He also has illegal paperwork. Him not doing paperwork in the lair does not make sense. (He does it in the camp as well, which means his civilian identity is gone the moment he is captured and investigated.)
Are only capes allowed to do illegal paperwork? How does any paperwork that Danny does make him Xanatos? That doesn't make any sense to me.

No, he isn't. The problem for SCONE though is that I can't see him not having the authority to have them raided. Nor, given some of what we saw both him and Piggot do in the original story, do I see his colleagues and superiors doing anything if he does things that are equivalent to or are breaking the unwritten rules, psychological torture, lying, endangering kids and more so long as he successfully gets away with it. If he gets publicly caught? That of course is a different story.
Yeah? I thought this entire line of discussion is predicated on the assumption that Tagg somehow bypasses all of Lisa's nosiness and picks up the entirety of the Hebert SCONE at once. With that assumption, he still can't keep the situation entirely secret is the whole basis of my arguments as to why he can't effectively Birdcage Taylor and most of the others, and would instead be forced to cut a deal because of the resulting bad publicity.

The problem is that "white supremacy is fine" isn't going to be an issue since any reputable journalist will do some research first and "PRT agents and Shadow Stalker versus Hookwolf and friends" sinks that. Now, I don't like Tagg. He's a bad guy in my opinion in the original story. I have provided quotes and reasoning to that effect on more than one occasion. But given his words and actions in the original story, are you going to write him as having only taken one swing at the Empire?

Now when it comes to "torturing kids is fine"? Will the public see it as such? Will it even get aired by the media? After all, does the public know that tinkers need to tinker? With Bonesaw and Mannequin around would they even care if news about human experiments was leaked?
The news headline writes itself: Local PRT Director sends the only black ward in the city to fight Hookwolf without any other cape support

Tagg raided the site Lisa told him about, but if he picks up the Hebert SCONE, suddenly, it looks like the vast majority of his effort is devoted to taking out the only other gang in the city besides the E88, and that Tagg hasn't gotten any E88 capes.

The question will be: is Tagg seriously trying to stop the E88, or is trying to pave the way for their supremacy over the city by removing their opponents?
 
Sorry replaying took so long, though I expect my delays were possibly more annoying to me than you.

No worries or annoyance from my side. This discussion taking longer or being dropped doesn't bother me.

The lack of explanation of what happened to the Pelhams is an unintentional gap, and partly the reason for the delay in my response. I was really sure I had written that, but it turns out to be not the case. I'm not sure if I'll bother doing a rewrite, but to summarize the deal cut with New Wave:

Going back through the story to fix the gaps for an issue that only came up several posts into an extremely narrow hypothetical (The PRT managing to capture the entirety of the Hebert SCONE with Lisa not picking up any warning signs) seems both tiring and not worth the effort, but I wanted to clarify how things stand.

Why bother with a rewrite? A letter or call from the Pellham's to Amy should be enough to give an outline, shouldn't it? That is, if this is going to be something that needs to come up in the future of the story. Now, does it need to? I believe so and my reasoning will be given below but at the end that is up to you.

  • The Pelhams join the Protectorate in good standing, forming a new Protectorate District. The four of them have left Brockton Bay, in basically the deal that Brandish was pushing in the initial negotiations (that the PRT can't make them join up and expect them to stay in the city)
  • Flashbang joined the Protectorate in good standing, and is staying in Brockton Bay.
  • Brandish is now a probationary member of the Protectorate, with restricted privileges, as a result of her poorly thought out plans causing the death of Bakuda and indirectly preventing the PRT from attempting to save Bakuda's bomb implanted victims.
  • Victoria joined the Wards, and is a probationary member with restricted privileges over her beating of E88 thugs
  • Amy did not join the Wards, and remains in the guardianship of Mark and Carol.

And here are the things...

  • They were made to join. The Pellham's and the Dallon's did not want to join, they were made to join.
  • The they did so in a way that specifically tried to rob the one who forced them to join of their services, making it seem as if they would make things difficult for the PRT when pressed in other ways.
  • Their attempt was unsuccessful, sine the Dalon's are still in Brockton Bay, meaning there was probably additional pressure, assurances from the PRT that wasn't kept or broken bonds, family or friendship or both.
  • The Pellham's had to leave their home, their friends and their family.
  • The PRT are aware that they were forced to join, meaning there must be some form of "no quitting within the next 5 /10 / 15 years" in their contract, because otherwise they could give notice after a month or two, so there is a lack of freedom.

Given the above, I do not see them, the Dallon's or especially the Pellham's being very happy with the PRT. Resigned, working to get to a better position, doing their time... But not happy yet. (Maybe not ever.) Them already being happy with the PRT and their current situation would require a lot I think. And the PRT should be aware of this. So them doing fine... If you want happy loyal Pellham's and / or Dallon's who are doing well and would be willing to keep being part of the PRT and / or Wards then give the readers a reason to think that they won't quit the moment they turn 18 or their contract allows then give a reason or two.

Now, does the above matter? Yes. Because of Amy. Amy's interaction with the PRT / the Protectorate / the Wards / ex directors, her opinion of the PRT / the Protectorate / the Wards / ex directors and the opinions she gives regarding the PRT / the Protectorate / the Wards / ex directors would be influenced by how those she knew were treated. If the PRT forced the Dallon's (excluding Amy) and the Pellham's to join, if good PR for Victoria depended upon her joining, despite how easy it should have been, if the PRT brought more pressure down onto New Wave to successfully ensure that part stayed in the Bay, if... Things like that would affect how Amy interacts with the PRT and their representatives as well as with Piggot and would affect her discussions with Taylor about the PRT, Wards, Protectorate and Piggot.

The PRT doesn't get to unilaterally dictate custody rights, and the assumption would likely be that if both Amy and the Pelhams were fine with it, Amy would go to them first. To be clear, Amy and the Pelhams would be fine with it, if it came to that.

The PRT does not get to dictate custody rights, but would an evil Director be able to interfere by making statements to those who decide custody rights? If he can say that the Pelham's aren't the best choice of guardians's because of their children triggering and what that implies and / or because Lady Photon was the leader of New Wave but look at how she did not keep track of how much Panacea worked and / or because Lady Photon was the leader of New Wave but look at the Bakuda mess and / or something else that is true enough?

I guess this is a point of disagreement. I don't believe news organizations will unquestioning side with PRT. I have no doubt both sides, PRT and SCONE, would attempt to spin things to make themselves look good. However, i expect the media to be most interested in whatever draws the most eyes.

The problem is that if the inner circle of SCONE is captured, the PRT is the ones who'll be able to spin things. SCONE won't. The PRT will be able to provide recordings and statements and pictures and expert opinions. The inner circle of SCONE will sit in cells. The PRT will be able to call in favors for past interviews, make promises about future interviews and provide photo opportunities. The inner circle of SCONE, considering the Canary trial, could easily sit in bio hazard cells, gagged and with brute restraints on for the media to get one or two quick pictures. (Because Recluse could be a bio tinker who might have enhanced them or buried unpleasant stuff in their bodies and Xanathos and Thrawn could be social thinkers who might also have unearthed and shared secrets that should not be released.) So Danny thinking things will work out because of possible media attention positively focused on SCONE in case of capture does no seem warranted to me.

Recluse being a biotinker is scary headline, certainly. The PRT lying about Recluse being a biotinker so they can threaten a child with the Birdcage is a far more juicy newstory.

If there is no proof that the PRT is lying then the far more juicy story doesn't happen in a remotely reputable media organization. And given what was shown up to where I read... No realistic hope for SCONE from the media is what I got.

Canary had a clear and very public violent crime.

Which could very easily have been spun into Canary losing control of her powers when an extortionist ex caught her by surprise. Showing that Canary needed training and oversight, thus allowing the PRT to force her into the Protectorate as a probationary member. Honestly, the brute restraints, only communicating with her lawyer by email and the lawyer only responding after hours or days? Canary's trial was unfair and could relatively easily have been spun another way by focusing on the extortion of the ex.

The capes of the Hebert SCONE have no clear crimes since becoming associated with Recluse and Thrawn, and the more the PRT digs, the more it'll look like Taylor is a hero and that letting Lisa manipulate villains to the side of neutral or faintly positive activites that build Lisa's ego is a great boon for the city.

They rescued Canary and they know Recluse does at least some tinkering with humans.

The PRT was super interested in what Recluse had done to the Travelers. Not so interested in the process itself, because it apparently required Recluse to kill the person, but it was more out of concern that human experimentation might be occurring.

"Are you experimenting on her?" Velocity isn't quite accusatory, but that question is pretty loaded.

"I haven't affected her mind at all, and while I have implanted some sensors, I can remove them without scarring." I think that is a sufficient answer that also doesn't make me sound like Dr. Frankenstein.

Velocity responds less emphatically to me. "We've learned about some of your work. While your rescue of Panacea was a good thing, we were disturbed that you chose to perform an untested experiment on one of the capes."

As compared to the Undersiders, Lisa's mercenaries, and Purity? Taylor built a changing room in her lab. It's bigger than the mixing tank she was using previously and far more private. The change you suggest would be more work than fixing the issue with the Pelhams.

Okay.

Are only capes allowed to do illegal paperwork?

Doesn't illegal mean that nobody is allowed to do it? :)

Are only capes allowed to do illegal paperwork? How does any paperwork that Danny does make him Xanatos? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Paperwork doesn't make Danny Xanathos. However, doing paperwork that only Xanathos would do proves Danny is Xanathos. Additionally, him only doing paperwork at the camp doesn't make sense. Hense the fact that he should have an office at the lair.

Yeah? I thought this entire line of discussion is predicated on the assumption that Tagg somehow bypasses all of Lisa's nosiness and picks up the entirety of the Hebert SCONE at once. With that assumption, he still can't keep the situation entirely secret is the whole basis of my arguments as to why he can't effectively Birdcage Taylor and most of the others, and would instead be forced to cut a deal because of the resulting bad publicity.

Yes and no. I have two points. The first is that Lisa should have some inkling of how far Tagg is willing to go and thus would have opposed Danny's plan to approach Piggot because of what could have gone wrong for SCONE.

My second point has been that what Tagg has been shown as willing to do in the original story would allow him to effectively neuter positive media attention directed towards SCONE if he got the inner circle. Lie? Do you think he won't use the possible "bad bio tinker" or "social thinker" to keep the media from SCONE's inner circle? Pressure people with what some would call emotional torture? (He did it originally.) Deliberately put people in positions where they will be killed? (Depending upon your interpretation of the original story, Taylor, Danny and Calle.)

So, what happens if he captures SCONE and Brian or Aisha goes to the media? He gives them footage, he gives them interviews with Miss Militia, Shadow Stalker, and various PRT operatives and he puts SCONE in brute restraints in bio-hazard cells while the media hears about human tinkering and social thinkers and don't get to talk with SCONE. So no bad publicity.

The news headline writes itself: Local PRT Director sends the only black ward in the city to fight Hookwolf without any other cape support

So Aisha or Brian goes to a reporter with a story about how Tagg has a policy of "white supremacy is fine". And the reporter asks some questions. And the reporter gets an interview with Shadow Stalker and some PRT agents and a different headline appears that praises the brave PRT agents and Shadow Stalker for shifting from a mission that was observation or perhaps a mission that aimed at a suspected non powered gang members thrashing an abandoned camp or perhaps a patrol to attempting to capture Hookwolf and company.

Now, one side of the story has interviews and quotes and the other just a headline and speculation... Which story gets taken seriously and printed.

Tagg raided the site Lisa told him about, but if he picks up the Hebert SCONE, suddenly, it looks like the vast majority of his effort is devoted to taking out the only other gang in the city besides the E88, and that Tagg hasn't gotten any E88 capes.

The question will be: is Tagg seriously trying to stop the E88, or is trying to pave the way for their supremacy over the city by removing their opponents?

No. With one statement (an informant provided the PRT with information about the Bond villain style base) and proof that there has been clashes with Empire 88 it looks like he got a good tip on where to raid one of the gangs in the city.
 
The only problem with that entire scenario is that Tagg is a military man, not a social thinker. He'll think about the easiest, more efficient way to t.ake them down and do it, much like he did in Canon, without worrying about how it looks, just like when he attacked a warlord in a school. It might have the best odds, but in any real city, the parents would be filing suit after suit for endangering their children. Then the media would destroy him until his Superiors tucked him away out of sight in Antartica.

Assuming, of course, that he did, in fact, manage to catch the entire cabel at once. Something I don't see happening with Taytay's paranoia.
 
The problem is that if the inner circle of SCONE is captured, the PRT is the ones who'll be able to spin things. SCONE won't. The PRT will be able to provide recordings and statements and pictures and expert opinions. The inner circle of SCONE will sit in cells. The PRT will be able to call in favors for past interviews, make promises about future interviews and provide photo opportunities. The inner circle of SCONE, considering the Canary trial, could easily sit in bio hazard cells, gagged and with brute restraints on for the media to get one or two quick pictures. (Because Recluse could be a bio tinker who might have enhanced them or buried unpleasant stuff in their bodies and Xanathos and Thrawn could be social thinkers who might also have unearthed and shared secrets that should not be released.) So Danny thinking things will work out because of possible media attention positively focused on SCONE in case of capture does no seem warranted to me.
If there is no proof that the PRT is lying then the far more juicy story doesn't happen in a remotely reputable media organization. And given what was shown up to where I read... No realistic hope for SCONE from the media is what I got.
I disagree. First thing of is, the PRT isn't in full control of the media, otherwise incidents like the E88 identity leak wouldn't happen.

Second, the PRT and Hebert SCONE aren't the only actors involved here. The SCONE is managing two of the six refugee camp. The people in this camps will scream if their already low supply is being cut off further. The media is not always the one that shapes public opinions, the welfare of the people in this camps have a louder say than anything the PRT would try to make the media spin. And by this point, the media will fold and amplify the cry louder.
 
15.5 Loot the Room
15.5 Loot the Room
Dad finally brings up the mystery topic I could tell he was inching towards for the past 10 minutes. "I think you should tell Madison that you are Recluse."

I slowly continue examining Squealer's lab, marking materials for collection, dismantling, and harvesting. After a minute, I ask why, to buy myself some more time.

"She's been asking about you. I've equivocated, but she's not dumb and is already figuring that something is up."

"Can't you just say I'm staying with relatives?" The engine block I was pulling apart had nitrogen based residue. The kind from high energy nitrogen compounds, like explosives. I marked the thing for harvesting and moved on. Squealer hadn't had many traps, but the existent ones were quite dangerous. One car had had a flamethrower security system, but it had also been on blocks and lacking wheels, so the units triggering the defense had been destroyed, but the car hadn't been able to drive off. It had revved its engine until something violently 'pinged' and then the engine spun to a stop.

Dad was ostensibly here as Xanatos to meet with Aparrit, but I was pretty sure that really meant that Brian was here to talk to Aisha, where it was harder for her to run off. Brian had been monitoring schools with dad, and the lot of us were likely to be made to attend summer classes.

Dad finished whatever he was thinking about, and continued. "I could, and she'd probably drop it, but I think it would be better if you could build something of positive working relationship."

Uh huh. "So I don't have to be friends with her?"

"No, you don't. I'm not even asking you to try. I'd prefer it if you had more friends, but I'm not stupid enough to think it's inherently a good idea to try and patch things up with somebody who was such a bully to you. I've got her staying with a set of other kids without supervision at the camp. Even so, I think Madison needs more friends, or at least good people in her life. Just to be clear, I'm only asking you to think about it. It doesn't have to be you."

I sigh, well, my voice modulator makes a gurgling noise, but whatever. "Fine, I'll consider it."

I paused so that I could look around. The facility really had a pile of stuff. Squealer had no organization, so I was having to go through each car manually to look for bars and bolts of titanium, vanadium, and niobium, alloys. I was really hurting for that last one recently. Lisa was having trouble getting discreet supplies of it for some reason. I was sure there was a way for me to use it to stabilize the recovery channels in the next iteration of my matrix processor.

I knew dad and I needed to talk more, so I picked something and just started talking. "So, any chance I can skip summer school?" I tried to put a light hearted tone into my voice. The comm system was being steadily improved, and I think it carried through well enough.

It broadcast dad's laughter decently, even if I could also just hear it from right outside the door.

"No, that's not happening. Speaking of, the make up classes will be starting on June 20th, a Monday. Arcadia was sufficiently repaired that you'll simply be returning there. However, only Arcadia survived. Winslow and a bunch of other schools, high school and otherwise, are totaled."

I can't bring myself to feel bad about Winslow. On the other hand, finding out I have just over three weeks before I have to start devoting 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, to school is not all that pleasing.

Conversation lags as I control several ants by tether to start checking mystery liquid containers. Most are gasoline, but one so far might have been jet fuel.

"So, what do you think of Ms Piggot? Did you listen to the recordings of how we captured the Merchants and what she said?" I kept vacillating on whether or not I thought what she had said was fair.

"Well, even if she was right, I think she was very antagonistic. I've talked with Lisa though and we're both pretty comfortable that she won't betray us, unless we start behaving like villains. If we let her near Coil, she'll likely shoot him and then turn us all in, for us allowing her to kill an unconvicted man. That's a bit crazy, but it's what Lisa gave as an example. Basically, she's trying to give us enough time to demonstrate that we deserve to be betrayed because we can't be trusted to act like decent people."

"She does seem kind of angry."

"Yeah. She got fired because her PR wasn't good enough, which offends her a lot. Also, I think that she's trying to go for an 'I hate everyone equally' philosophy at this point. It was her non-powered underlings that allowed parahuman villains to infiltrate her command, and set her up for failure by flashy cape issues. I thought her advice was good, excluding the vindictiveness. Still, I wasn't there. What did you think?"

"I guess she was mostly right, even if mean about it. She didn't do anything for fixing it though. I mean, I know next time to bring more reagents and use them more carefully, and I figured that out on my own. The whole timing thing has to be worked out with practice, that's just how it is."

A turtle pings an alert as it loses balance and falls into a barrel while sampling its contents. Hmm, it's partially disintegrated. I pull a sample from the barrel with an arm for analysis. Looks like a solvent of some kind, and not one I'm familiar with. Jackpot for me. I haven't been able to get much Tinker driven insight from all the engines and stuff. Squealer and I didn't have compatible specialties or something. Still, I had marked a bunch of alloys, fuels, and other chemicals that might be good sources of inspiration after further study. Everything else wasn't useless, but I just didn't have time to safely cut up a few dozen vehicles of various types to dissolve as raw materials. It was far safer to just buy aluminum, iron, and the other basic metals.

I get distracted for a bit, and then dad interrupts me as it is lunchtime.

Dad sounds irritated when I suggest the four of us just unmask and eat in the van so that we don't have to worry about the mercenaries that are on site with us seeing our faces. Said irritation increases when I justify it by Brian already knowing my name.

He is only partially mollified after some apologetic groveling from me. Two weeks is a long time to have neglected to inform him that I told Brian my name. I honestly just forgot. He really didn't know anything about me, just my first name.

Dad eventually agrees, informs Brian and Aisha, and we drag a small cooler into a cargo van. Brian and Aisha have been talking and providing security. Well, just Brian for the last bit.

After we're all sitting on the floor, and pulling out food, they start pulling off their masks, and then I realize that the first time Brian is going to see my face is after I've been moving junk around for hours and gotten all sweaty and gross.

Nothing for it I guess, and dad will make an issue of things if I tried to simply not eat.

Brian and Aisha watch with interest when dad and I pull our masks off, exposing our faces.

I watch them, but can't figure out what Brian is thinking.

I don't have to guess for Aisha because she doesn't have a filter on her mouth. "Huh, I had pegged you for needing a bunch of cats because you were old."

Brian tells Aisha to not be rude, which I appreciate, but he admits to surprise at my age as well.

"I'm sixteen, and I've been a Tinker for over a year as well." I remark, perhaps a bit defensively. I don't want him thinking I am old.

Brian holds up a hand placatingly. "I"m not surprised that you're capable, you've aptly demonstrated that, I'm only surprised that you're so mature for your age. I can think of a few others that could benefit by emulating your behavior." He finished with a look towards his sister.

I can admit to myself that I like that way of looking at it.

Aisha doesn't look at Brian, and nods in agreement. "Yeah, I mean my bro and I have seen a ton of people who should try and emulate the maturity of any of the four of us."

Dad smirks at Aisha for a moment, then said, "Yes, I'm sure several people would benefit from emulating your brother's maturity. Still, on a different note, I asked the three of you here to get a further opinion on Recluse's research and reputation. I've already talked to Paige. Aisha, you likely know her as Comma, if you haven't figured that out already."

The girl in question nodded to herself, then looked at dad. "Alright, I'm honestly not looking to pick a fight here, you've been pretty good to my bro and me, but you've got to expect that we've got some guesses as to what's going on with your identities."

Brian looks aghast about what Aisha said. Surprisingly enough, Dad looked fine from behind his mask. I guess I didn't mind. Maybe it wasn't strictly necessary, but if Brian and his sister knew about me and dad, then well, dad was always pestering me to talk to people, and Aisha was ok too.

Brian schools his expression when dad asks what Aisha expected and thought.

She actually appears to think about it for a second. "Well, I kind of had you pegged for being Thrawn, because you get kind of vacant sometimes. Maybe you've got a Shaker power to let you communicate telepathically. You rent space from Recluse to house anybody affiliated with your cape ID and the two of you work for Xanatos.

"After meeting Thrawn, and the two of you not looking alike, either you've got a Changer power, or something else. I guess I'd go with you being a cape without a public ID, or you're Xanatos. I'd pick the first, because it'd be weird for you to be on equal or better footing with Thrawn and Recluse here, and still want to manage a camp. No offense, but I'm pretty sure you're not getting paid and so you working for somebody to watch the camp makes some kind of sense."

Aisha kind of tapers off at the end, and then dad asks Brian if he'd had any previous ideas.

He doesn't seem overly happy to be having this conversation. His brows are furrowed and he is frowning. Maybe he's just thinking though. "Well, I had guessed you might be Danny. If Xanatos actually operated the way he implies, he'd be known elsewhere because it's business as usual for him and he is known here. I guess the main thing was him talking to the PRT here. If only Thrawn and Recluse, well, if it was only ever Thrawn, then I could believe Xanatos was just that secretive. Since he's not, then either he's operating differently in this city than elsewhere, and I don't know enough to guess at that, or he was bluffing initially. It's that computer cape and Management from the takedown of Coil that gives me doubt. Uber and Leet may be foolish, but they usually don't lie. They seemed to think those two capes were real, but the pair of them never show up in town, so if they're somewhere else, maybe Xanatos is too."

That's irritatingly good insight. Dad seems less bothered, nodding affably and pulling off his mask. "Between the two of you, that's mostly correct. I expected that you and Aisha would have some good opportunities to figure things out, and since unlike Coil or other villains, I'm not willing to take the steps that would be necessary to force control over the two of you, so I'd rather know about my own weaknesses. I can't correct the previous decision to have Xanatos interact with the PRT, but I won't do it again. I'll also need to figure out a way to look less odd when discussing things with Thrawn."

Brian looks thoughtful. "That's good to know. Does this change anything?"

"Not on your end."

Aisha intrudes on the conversation. "So do you really have powers, or not?"

Dad chuckles for a second, then says, "Does it really matter?"

"Yeah, so that's a no," Aisha tries to adopt what I think is intended as a piercing gaze. Then she gets distracted and turns to me. "Hey! That means you're that Taylor then."

I start mumbling, something about maybe I could be somebody else, but thankfully clamp my mouth shut, and settle for nodding. I hope she doesn't mean a different Taylor. Dad pats me on the shoulder, saying, "Yeah, she's why I got myself mixed up in all this cape business."

"I know what you mean." Grue smiles and then elbows Aisha, provoking a "Hey!" in mock outrage. Ignoring her, he continues, "So, what is the long term plan then? I mean, the gesture of trust is appreciated, but I doubt you seriously needed us out here to have the meeting, and Thrawn is more than capable of providing security."

"Well, visiting the wild outdoors of an abandoned highway maintenance depot seemed like a nice trip. Also, if something catches fire or blows up then your teleportation may save lives. I also figured that either your or Aisha might like to talk to your sibling without the other one running away or hiding." Dad finished with mild chuckle.

"Hey! I don't hide, I just get so bored I can't focus on keeping my power inactive."

Lunch wasn't as relaxing as I could have hoped. I couldn't think of anything to say to Brian. Aisha wants the skin upgrade, which Brian agrees to after some pleading on her end. I get caught up talking tinker stuff for a bit. Thankfully not incomprehensible tinker talk, but some of the materials I've noted in Squealer's lab, and some stuff I'll be making for Leet. I talked to him last night and he's pretty interested. We've agreed that publically we'll pretend I'm giving it to him in place of an entrance fee for his Tinker competition.

Eventually, Aisha switches topics. "So, Taylor, you going to be building any more murder bots? Cause I've seen the video of them crawling across that hospital, and they rock."

"I do not build 'murder bots'."

Brian also tells off Aisha, which is nice, but then asks if I'll be replacing my drone units.

Yes, I will, I've invested too much effort into getting the design to work. "The prototypes worked splendidly, so I've finalized a production model." I'd make them pink or something, maybe a friendly yellow, but honestly, having at least one unit type that's kind of intimidating is likely a good thing.

I don't find them intimidating. I'm too used to imagining them as nervous nelly dinosaurs, hopping around and climbing about to look for a dead brontosaurus, or something, while trying to avoid a T-Rex or something.

Huh, Brian has sort of stalled, like he was about to start talking but got confused? I don't want to be rude and interrupt him, so I just wait patiently and watch him politely. After a couple of seconds dad and Aisha also look at him, and that's enough to jar him. "Taylor, how many units are in a production run?"

That also concerns dad quite a bit, but I can't help but laugh. I know they're thinking I'll have thousands of them, like with my turtle units. "Not as many as any other type. I just meant I'd be standardizing how I make them. Each of the two prototypes were built uniquely, as a part of refining the design. I know they looked similar, but the insides of the first one had to basically be redone in order to just be equivalent to the second, while the second had ongoing issues with its liquid batteries and so had a lot of patchwork until I got those issues figured out."

"Yeah, but how many?" Aisha reiterates the question.

I roll my eyes, "I've started production on the shells, and the contractile polymers, for an initial run of twelve drone units. I'm pretty sure I've got the kinks worked out, but I figured I'd limit the first group, just in case." I may also lose one or two if I don't have the timing right during one of the polymerization steps, but I'd rather be upbeat. Being cheerful is attrac- well, nobody likes negative people.

"Are you sure about that many, well, I mean aren't they expensive?" Dad asks, since I've been spending money like crazy lately.

"They are, but not unreasonably so. Maybe eight times as expensive as a squiggle?"

Aisha cuts dad off before he can respond. "What is a squiggle?"

She's probably not going to stop, so I try to run through things quickly. "My turtle units are the cheapest and most numerous, they harvest resources for me. Ant units carry stuff around for me. Squiggles look like squids, and they can swim quickly and they distribute orders or transport either small quantities of valuable materials or drag along units. Jelly units are softball sized floating jellyfish and they are communication relays. Mini tunnelers dig tunnels. Flatworms use thermal gradients to generate chemical energy for me. Lastly are drone units, which were meant to interact with people as needed, but Panacea said they were harmless dinosaurs when she talked me into making them."

I almost leave it at that, but figured I might as well finish. "I also have four types of arms I use. Data, Utility, Combat, and Industrial. The first is for data, the second is daily use with my tinkering, the third is a tougher and stronger version of the second, and the fourth is for bulk tinkering."

Dad pokes me in the side to be irritating, while adding, "And also for smacking around Hookwolf."

Given how unhappy he was about that, I'm surprised he's making a joke. I refrain from glaring about being teased though. I'm mature and basically an adult.

Right, expenses. "Moving on, I collect most of my resources by harvesting chemicals from the city. I can get almost all the low proton elements I need that way. Most of the heavier rare earth metals as well. It's hit and miss for the other heavier elements. I've collected what I think is nearly all the gold and silver that's fallen into drains and such, so I've had to start buying that as well. The drone units require some expensive catalysts for their batteries and the matrix processor in each one is expensive. Overall though, they're fairly cheap by weight. Most of their armor is just a carbon lattice laced with aluminium and beryllium for example."

A "Huh, ok" from Brian is not as excited as I would have hoped.

The conversation moves on to dad's reasons for the meeting. In true underhanded parenting fashion, he's got an ulterior motive. As long as we're ok with it, he's arranged with Lisa to find a spot for Ms Piggot to give us some combat training.

Dad also has a deal for Aisha. She can start working as a cape, if she attends combat training and school, and doesn't slack off for either.

Aisha isn't sold on the idea, not that I overly blame her. Her goals in life seem to be trolling people, and slacking, both of which greatly benefit from her automatically protective power.

"I'll pay you two thousand dollars a month, cash," my head whips back around at my dad's words, "and on top of that, put an extra two k a month into a trust fund for you, either for college or freely available once you turn 21."

Aisha seems to be in almost physical pain over the possibility of getting her hands on that kind of money. I am for a second as well, but then remember that I already have a lot of money. Not that I ever see it though. I have 8 dollars in my room, I think, and maybe another 77 dollars back at my house in my closet that I forgot to grab when we packed up precious stuff.

Well, at least I can get whatever tinker materials I want, within reason.

Aisha begrudgingly accepts the deal. I already know that I get ridiculous amounts of resources and don't spend money anyway, so I don't bother asking. Besides, I have money of my own, I should be trying to get it, to bring it to my lair, under my control.

Actually, if Piggot is going to be working with us, I should try to protect her too. If people would try to kidnap Amy, they might go for others. Actually, I should get DNA samples from everybody, and seed their houses and stuff with units.
 
Actually, if Piggot is going to be working with us, I should try to protect her too. If people would try to kidnap Amy, they might go for others. Actually, I should get DNA samples from everybody, and seed their houses and stuff with units.
Taylor, putting tinkered monsters into her house is not how you make friends with Emily. Better make them the super stealth versions so that you can get all of them inside and surrounding her before she notices.

Also, if it comes to it, Emily will appreciate your habitual "helpful kidnappings"TM even less than Othala did. I recommend sending twice as many drone units as you expect to need. Maybe even dedicate a full production run to following her around so you are ready to respond as needed.
 
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The engine block I was pulling apart had nitrogen based residue. The kind from high energy nitrogen compounds
"Containing" would offend my sensibilities much less.

All residues after high-explosions are carbon-based. With, maybe (maybe!) some nitrogen, yes, but carbon based. Compounds with large amount of nitrogen are usually explosives, the more percentage of nitrogen, the worse the thing is. Fun link. All (most of) the nitrogen from high explosives (and HE usually have little nitrogen, ideal stochometry is around C/N/O : 1:1:2) transforms into molecular nitrogen gas.
 
Taylor... you were so close...
So close to what?
Creeping Brian out by staring at him?
Grasping that her units are actually all on just one side of the Adorable/Terrifying Sliding Scale of Public Trauma, and it's not the side of the fluffy bunnies?
Remembering to use her actual arms instead of her tentacle arms for normal actions?
Noticing that she still subconsciously flails her tentacle arms when she's nervous?

I mean, there's just so many options :)

That is going to go nicely, I'm sure she'll be pleased by the attention. :)
Well, Taylor doesn't really want to talk to Ms Piggot about it, so she'll likely just tell her dad. Or decide that it's retroactively implied by the "I protect my allies" policy and that it's totally fine to just not talk to anybody about it.

It's not like she's working on people, and that's the big No issue. Protecting her allies, even the grumpy angry ones that are mean, is so obvious that people would likely tell her not to protect Ms Piggot if she wasn't supposed to protect Ms Piggot.

Yeah, that's reasonable. She should just do it and not bother telling people about things that she should obviously be doing.

Taylor, putting tinkered monsters into her house is not how you make friends with Emily. Better make them the super stealth versions so that you can get all of them inside and surrounding her before she notices.
Well, yeah. Ms Piggot likely has like friends from her work that come over, and other friends.
What if somebody saw a Jelly Unit flopping around when its active camouflage failed? Wouldn't that just be the worst of all possible things in terms of embarrassments for Taylor as a Tinker?
Also, it might make things awkward for Ms Piggot if a Jelly unit fell on somebody's head while they were using the bathroom. Amy complained a lot about that from when Taylor rescued her at the hospital.

if it comes to it, Emily will appreciate your habitual "helpful kidnappings"TM even less than Othala did. I recommend sending twice as many drone units as you expect to need. Maybe even dedicate a full production run to following her around so you are ready to respond as needed.
Ms Piggot has already stated off screen, in unknowing agreement with Lisa and Amy, that there is no such thing as a 'helpful kidnapping/rescue' unless every step, device, and person involved has been vetted by somebody other than Recluse.

Don't worry Taylor! Let me introduce you to the term Wrench Wench. Basically, it means there's an allure in girls who does machinery. Some people even find them attractive. Maybe Brian is one of them?
Brian has enough confidence to ask a prospective partner out, and he doesn't think Taylor is unattractive.
However, he also thinks Taylor is a Mafia Princess and that her 'considered and calm' reactions have resulted in a concerning list too long to include here. Also, being the first person to test whether or not Danny is an Overprotective Dad might end up being a terminal issue for his future. If Brian thought Taylor liked him, he would be very happy to let her take the lead on every advancement in their relationship. If things didn't work out along the way, he'd talk to Danny first and then let Taylor down as easy as possible.

"Containing" would offend my sensibilities much less.

All residues after high-explosions are carbon-based. With, maybe (maybe!) some nitrogen, yes, but carbon based. Compounds with large amount of nitrogen are usually explosives, the more percentage of nitrogen, the worse the thing is. Fun link. All (most of) the nitrogen from high explosives (and HE usually have little nitrogen, ideal stochometry is around C/N/O : 1:1:2) transforms into molecular nitrogen gas.
Alien Space Whale(TM) provided science? It's supposed to be weird. Wouldn't including something sensible make it uninteresting to Taylor?

It's a throwaway bit of technobabble, so I'm not opposed to changing it, but it seems to be doing its job of making a reader sit up and say "Hey, that's weird to find in an engine."



The only problem with that entire scenario is that Tagg is a military man, not a social thinker. He'll think about the easiest, more efficient way to t.ake them down and do it, much like he did in Canon, without worrying about how it looks, just like when he attacked a warlord in a school. It might have the best odds, but in any real city, the parents would be filing suit after suit for endangering their children. Then the media would destroy him until his Superiors tucked him away out of sight in Antartica.
To be fair, we're working within Worm's setting. Tagg wasn't immediately destroyed politically for what he did at Arcadia, and he at least appeared to believe he would get away with it.

Assuming, of course, that he did, in fact, manage to catch the entire cabel at once. Something I don't see happening with Taytay's paranoia.
Well, yes, I believe that is the key assumption in this scenario. Well, perhaps just behind Lisa's inability to stop sticking her nose into the PRT's business. I'm not sure she could do it more than she does already if she also desperately wanted a nose job and the Brockton Bay PRT HQ was physically holding all of the nose job plastic surgeons of the world hostage within its walls.

the PRT isn't in full control of the media, otherwise incidents like the E88 identity leak wouldn't happen.
A solid point. The PRT would very much like to have prevented the media from trying to get Brockton Bay burned to the ground.

the PRT and Hebert SCONE aren't the only actors involved here. The SCONE is managing two of the six refugee camp. The people in this camps will scream if their already low supply is being cut off further. The media is not always the one that shapes public opinions, the welfare of the people in this camps have a louder say than anything the PRT would try to make the media spin. And by this point, the media will fold and amplify the cry louder.
The Hebert SCONE was providing food and supplies only to Taylor's camp, which is an unofficial one. Still, the Hebert SCONE does provide security for both camps.

On that point though, with Danny gone, I'd give it better than even odds that the official camp collapses into anarchy. It's not guaranteed, and I hadn't thought about it before now, but the juggling of locations and people that Danny has to manage by himself or with Lisa to ensure that nobody notices the lack of Taylor living in camp and the ways in which the camp is protected means that he's very much the keystone for day to day operations. Then there's the way in which the dockworkers union might throw a fit of their own over the treatment of their leader that has been keeping them fed and having them run the camp.

Why bother with a rewrite? A letter or call from the Pellham's to Amy should be enough to give an outline, shouldn't it? That is, if this is going to be something that needs to come up in the future of the story. Now, does it need to? I believe so and my reasoning will be given below but at the end that is up to you.
here are the things...

  • They were made to join. The Pellham's and the Dallon's did not want to join, they were made to join.
  • The they did so in a way that specifically tried to rob the one who forced them to join of their services, making it seem as if they would make things difficult for the PRT when pressed in other ways.
  • Their attempt was unsuccessful, sine the Dalon's are still in Brockton Bay, meaning there was probably additional pressure, assurances from the PRT that wasn't kept or broken bonds, family or friendship or both.
  • The Pellham's had to leave their home, their friends and their family.
  • The PRT are aware that they were forced to join, meaning there must be some form of "no quitting within the next 5 /10 / 15 years" in their contract, because otherwise they could give notice after a month or two, so there is a lack of freedom.

Given the above, I do not see them, the Dallon's or especially the Pellham's being very happy with the PRT. Resigned, working to get to a better position, doing their time... But not happy yet. (Maybe not ever.) Them already being happy with the PRT and their current situation would require a lot I think. And the PRT should be aware of this. So them doing fine... If you want happy loyal Pellham's and / or Dallon's who are doing well and would be willing to keep being part of the PRT and / or Wards then give the readers a reason to think that they won't quit the moment they turn 18 or their contract allows then give a reason or two.

Now, does the above matter? Yes. Because of Amy. Amy's interaction with the PRT / the Protectorate / the Wards / ex directors, her opinion of the PRT / the Protectorate / the Wards / ex directors and the opinions she gives regarding the PRT / the Protectorate / the Wards / ex directors would be influenced by how those she knew were treated. If the PRT forced the Dallon's (excluding Amy) and the Pellham's to join, if good PR for Victoria depended upon her joining, despite how easy it should have been, if the PRT brought more pressure down onto New Wave to successfully ensure that part stayed in the Bay, if... Things like that would affect how Amy interacts with the PRT and their representatives as well as with Piggot and would affect her discussions with Taylor about the PRT, Wards, Protectorate and Piggot.
You summed up nicely the number of issues that would make fixing this require a rewrite.

Now, to expand more on the Protectorate/New Wave issues: The outcome could be looked at either Win/Win or Lose/Lose, but not Lose/Win.
As Piggot commented, if New Wave wanted to be heroes, then the PRT had them over a barrel for their screw ups.

The people of New Wave do, in fact, want to be heroes.

The Pelhams are already good heroes overall, but they seriously dropped the ball in relating to the other half of the team and keeping an eye on them. As capes with public identities, that is a issue with life-threatening implications for their future. Neil and Sarah do not want their children hurt, killed, or kidnapped, and New Wave clearly lacks the type of self-management that would prevent such issues. Joining the Protectorate and Wards is a solid and significant step towards fixing those issues. Leaving the city is a fresh start for the Pelhams, and forming a core of a new Protectorate District ensures that any possible bad faith politics from District ENE is also left behind.

Carol accepted that she was a bad parent. She loves Vicky, and describing her feelings towards Amy right now as "it's complicated" is a hilarious understatement. However, Vicky and Amy were nearly utterly uncontrolled, and nothing of Carol's hopes and fears for them were affecting what they were doing. Furthermore, unlike the rest of New Wave, Carol's actions directly contributed to getting a lot of people killed. Carol knew nothing about the remote bombs of Bakuda, and acted entirely without concern for the strategic implications of her own actions.

Mark is depressed, and has a lot of self-blame now on top of it. He knew Carol had issues, and still did nothing he sees as adequate to protect her or his kids. He's going to be in therapy for a while.

Carol and Mark elected to accept the PRT's desire that they stay in Brockton Bay for several reasons. First, it is a sort of public self-flagellation over their own guilt. Not the healthiest of reasons, but it also clearly separates them, the failed heroes, from the Pelhams. Helping the Pelhams make a clean separation is a decent thing to do for them. Second, Vicky is not getting out of this without probation in the Wards. Letting her stay with her boyfriend and other friends is a small kindness that may help Vicky understand that this is both a punishment and lesson on how to be a better hero. Third, Amy and the huge hot mess of political issues that the unrestricted healing she represents entails. Taking Amy out of the city, into a new District, would make her the most attractive target out of all of New Wave for being kidnapped. Brockton Bay has an established cape scene. Not a stable or static one, but at least the capes that already tried to kidnap her were out of towners. If Amy is taken out of the city, there's now unknown threat levels of both out of towners and the local established villains. Furthermore, Amy has Recluse here. Carol and Mark are not thrilled about Recluse, but the enigmatic Tinker is at least helpful to Amy, and Amy has passed all M/S screening thus far for malign influence. If a new Director, either Tagg in Brockton Bay or the Director of wherever they might move to, decides to pressure Amy, then Recluse has already fully demonstrated her ability and willingness to not care about what other groups want in opposition to what Amy wants. Amy is the only Dallon who didn't screw up, and Carol has a complex mess of feelings that has resulted in trying to ensure that Amy isn't punished for what her sister or parents did. Also, it's a little reassuring to keep Amy in the city of the only group that was able to rescue her when she was kidnapped. The PRT and New Wave completely failed in dealing with that, but Recluse made the problem go away. Whether or not 'go away' means 'experiment on everybody involved in kidnapping Amy until they eventually died' is a question that Carol and Mark really hope has an answer that is at least neutral on the morality scale, but at least Recluse rescued Amy when they and the PRT failed.

As for Vicky, she feels horribly guilty about what her aura did to Amy, and yet also emotionally violated by the implicit trust about the sisterly relationship with Amy being something other than what Vicky understood it to be. She still considers Amy her sister, and wants good things for her, but being in the same room as Amy makes Vicky's skin crawl. She's going to get over it, just as Amy is slowly getting over her own power induced infatuation, but Amy not having to join the Wards is a solid plus, for both sisters. Amy would be severely isolated if her only option was 'not-Wards'. Staying in Brockton Bay means Amy has the option of Recluse as protection and support.

Doesn't illegal mean that nobody is allowed to do it?
Paperwork doesn't make Danny Xanathos. However, doing paperwork that only Xanathos would do proves Danny is Xanathos. Additionally, him only doing paperwork at the camp doesn't make sense. Hense the fact that he should have an office at the lair.
Danny made up the character for Xanatos, whole cloth and entirely for the purpose of talking to people. There is no paperwork for Xanatos.

All the paperwork Danny does is for Lisa's part of the Hebert SCONE. Most of it also doesn't have Thrawn's name on it, because that's a clear and obvious sign that it's illegal. Now that I've thought about it, I've fairly sure that Danny has never actually applied a writing implement to dried wood pulp to mark out the letters 'Xanatos'. If he ever signed an autograph, it would surprising valuable. Xanatos only exists insofar as the costume of Xanatos exists.

The PRT does not get to dictate custody rights, but would an evil Director be able to interfere by making statements to those who decide custody rights? If he can say that the Pelham's aren't the best choice of guardians's because of their children triggering and what that implies and / or because Lady Photon was the leader of New Wave but look at how she did not keep track of how much Panacea worked and / or because Lady Photon was the leader of New Wave but look at the Bakuda mess and / or something else that is true enough?
Sure, Tagg can say that first point. He'll have to present evidence to a judge to make it stick, but he could certainly try for a PR win before that. Making an argument that the parents of children who trigger are inherently not fit to retain custody of their children makes me think of outcomes where he's literally eaten by a soccer mom brigade (The teasing of BeaconHill about their cannibalism tropes is a bad influence on me) before every other Director overseeing Wards have the time to pool their money and have him assassinated, but Tagg could certainly try for that argument.

The other points would work with varying degrees of success, but the argument that Tagg would then be an idiot for working with untrustworthy people after he took over as Director and did nothing to change their deal with the PRT would undercut his points. That's before anybody else even has to make a statement. I expect that if I was writing it, I would give Tagg a victory on these points, but a rather narrow one that was only relative to the loss of credibility done to his opponents. The people whose reputation he is tearing down are supposedly his own people after all.

The problem is that if the inner circle of SCONE is captured, the PRT is the ones who'll be able to spin things. SCONE won't. The PRT will be able to provide recordings and statements and pictures and expert opinions. The inner circle of SCONE will sit in cells. The PRT will be able to call in favors for past interviews, make promises about future interviews and provide photo opportunities. The inner circle of SCONE, considering the Canary trial, could easily sit in bio hazard cells, gagged and with brute restraints on for the media to get one or two quick pictures. (Because Recluse could be a bio tinker who might have enhanced them or buried unpleasant stuff in their bodies and Xanathos and Thrawn could be social thinkers who might also have unearthed and shared secrets that should not be released.) So Danny thinking things will work out because of possible media attention positively focused on SCONE in case of capture does no seem warranted to me.
I don't understand why you aren't accounting for Brian, Aisha, and Amy when you say this. The PRT will absolutely be contested in their treatment of the Hebert SCONE by Amy, almost certainly by Brian simply teleporting out of containment, and there's good odds that Aisha will simply walk out if she was somehow picked up.

Which could very easily have been spun into Canary losing control of her powers when an extortionist ex caught her by surprise. Showing that Canary needed training and oversight, thus allowing the PRT to force her into the Protectorate as a probationary member. Honestly, the brute restraints, only communicating with her lawyer by email and the lawyer only responding after hours or days? Canary's trial was unfair and could relatively easily have been spun another way by focusing on the extortion of the ex.
Yeah? A reexamination of Canary's trial would be very unlikely to make it easier for Tagg to abuse the Hebert SCONE.

So Aisha or Brian goes to a reporter with a story about how Tagg has a policy of "white supremacy is fine". And the reporter asks some questions. And the reporter gets an interview with Shadow Stalker and some PRT agents and a different headline appears that praises the brave PRT agents and Shadow Stalker for shifting from a mission that was observation or perhaps a mission that aimed at a suspected non powered gang members thrashing an abandoned camp or perhaps a patrol to attempting to capture Hookwolf and company.

Now, one side of the story has interviews and quotes and the other just a headline and speculation... Which story gets taken seriously and printed.
Uh, the one built around the issue where the teenage girl was somehow not ordered to retreat from a four verses one cape fight that included a birdcage bound murderer?

What part of that situation makes you think the media wouldn't gnaw off one of their own arms to run a story like that? Running a story about the PRT sending a single heroic child parahuman against four villains makes for an amazing story line about PRT reckless endangerment or incompetence. Every part of Worm canon downplays the ability of normals to fight parahumans. The PRT strike squad, the one that had multiple fatalities and was only saved by the timely intervention of Recluse's drone units, was clearly inadequate as protection or backup for Shadow Stalker.

With one statement (an informant provided the PRT with information about the Bond villain style base) and proof that there has been clashes with Empire 88 it looks like he got a good tip on where to raid one of the gangs in the city.
The gang that is run by a bunch of kids and a single dad? The gang that spent the vast majority of its now public activities in running two homeless camps and ferrying around Panacea? The one keeping villains in their employ from committing further crimes, took down another gang that was into kidnapping children, and has been attacking the white supremacist gang of the city?

That gang, or was it another one?

If Tagg gets all of the Hebert SCONE, Aparrit is going to escape and Imp is probably going to escape. They're going to tell the news people the same content as what I said in the immediately preceding sentences to this one. Then they're going to get Amy to back them up, which she will. Panacea is going to be upset at Taylor getting incarcerated, and will enthusiastically confirm that Tagg likes abusing children and breaking the law.

If Tagg stops that, by incarcerating Amy, then Carol and Vicky will lose their shit. They will tell anybody and everybody that Tagg is trying to cover up his own crimes by scapegoating children, as publicly as possible.

If Tagg stops that, by incarcerating all the Dallons, then the Pelhams will calmly and methodically make public statements to wreck Tagg's narrative.

They rescued Canary and they know Recluse does at least some tinkering with humans.
Yeah? I've already agreed to that multiple times at this point. I don't see how it's further relevant.

I have two points. The first is that Lisa should have some inkling of how far Tagg is willing to go and thus would have opposed Danny's plan to approach Piggot because of what could have gone wrong for SCONE.
As for what Lisa should know, I'm not sure how to respond to the or the subsequent points based on it. Metastable!Lisa thinks her decisions are good ideas, and that her compromises are at least acceptable.
 
Taylor is unlucky enough to attend the only school that will reopen soon. Now she'll have less time for tinkering due to having to attend classes and finish homework again.
 
Taylor is unlucky enough to attend the only school that will reopen soon. Now she'll have less time for tinkering due to having to attend classes and finish homework again.
I think the bigger problem is "What happens when everyone from the folded schools (namely Emma) shows up at Arcadia?"
 
Alien Space Whale(TM) provided science?
Nope.
It is literally outside of what can be provided by science. It could work if shards patched reality locally but I doubt two shards would patch reality in similar way- there is little reason to - so Taylor wouldn't have recognized situation so easily.

Wouldn't including something sensible make it uninteresting to Taylor?
Having HEs in engines is already strange. I guess, nitromethane engines are a thing, but not on the scale of real cars. It also implies that Squealer has some way to produce said explosives on semi-industrial scale - and that's wet chemistry, which is entirely within Taylor's specialty.
 
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Nope.
It is literally outside of what can be provided by science. It could work if shards patched reality locally but I doubt two shards would patch reality in similar way- there is little reason to - so Taylor wouldn't have recognized situation so easily.



But a lot more seriously I'm actually curious what you mean there myself. as in is there not a chemical basis for why byproducts like that would exist? or just that they would imply something entirely different then what is stated in the story?
 
as in is there not a chemical basis for why byproducts like that would exist?
Kinda. High explosives is a specific category of compounds. Their explosions produce molecular nitrogen, carbon oxides, water, either oxygen or soot and maybe some other gases. Soot might contain impurities of anything else, but only impurities.
Also, compounds with high amount of nitrogen tend to be explosive.
 
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Nope.
It is literally outside of what can be provided by science. It could work if shards patched reality locally but I doubt two shards would patch reality in similar way- there is little reason to - so Taylor wouldn't have recognized situation so easily.


Having HEs in engines is already strange. I guess, nitromethane engines are a thing, but not on the scale of real cars. It also implies that Squealer has some way to produce said explosives on semi-industrial scale - and that's wet chemistry, which is entirely within Taylor's specialty.
So....there kind of are a ton of nitrogen based compounds IRL. The cyanide ones have literally one carbon atom, the others lack them.


Admittedly they are not polymers, but they were not stated to be.

IMHO, there's no reason at all why these couldn't be byproducts - particularly as some of the compounds in question are high energy:

en.m.wikipedia.org

Trinitramide - Wikipedia


A current rocket fuel mix is dinitrogen tetroxide/hydrazine.
 
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So....there kind of are a ton of nitrogen based compounds IRL.
There are, like, 2 elements having rich chemistry of the element-element bonds with compounds somewhat stable under somewhat normal conditions, namely: carbon and boron, with sulfur coming distant third. Compounds with high amount of nitrogen-nitrogen bonds are usually unstable or explosive or both, since the only stable nitroge-nitrogen bond is that in dinitrogen molecule, and that one is incredibly stable and any nitrogen-only chain wants to break into multiple nitrogen molecules. In any reasonably stable compound, capable to withstand conditions in engine block, nitrogen would occur as isolated atoms.

beryllium for example.
Um. How I missed that?
Berrilium is fairly costly (yearly would production below 1000 ton) and annoyingly toxic.
 
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You summed up nicely the number of issues that would make fixing this require a rewrite.

Now, to expand more on the Protectorate/New Wave issues: The outcome could be looked at either Win/Win or Lose/Lose, but not Lose/Win.
As Piggot commented, if New Wave wanted to be heroes, then the PRT had them over a barrel for their screw ups.

The people of New Wave do, in fact, want to be heroes.

The thing is that according to what I recall New Wave did want to be heroes but did not want to join the Protectorate / Wards. They were angling for staying in the Bay and staying independent.

Brandish, being a lawyer, had clamped down like a lock, and told the rest of New Wave to copy her. They acknowledged that they had been in the wrong, but only in a non-legally binding sense. Negotiations, such as they were, revolved around either the PRT punishing them for their crimes, or them staying in the Bay. If we held them responsible for their failures, and punished them for what they did, they'd easily cop a plea deal to join up with the Protectorate or Wards, even with the demand that they get a location away from PRT ENE. That would leave Brockton even more lopsided between the hero and villain capes. Alternatively, they'd stay, if their actions had been acceptable under the circumstances, but of course not joining the Protectorate.

The problem is that going from the above, "leave us be or lose us"...

The Pelhams are already good heroes overall, but they seriously dropped the ball in relating to the other half of the team and keeping an eye on them. As capes with public identities, that is a issue with life-threatening implications for their future. Neil and Sarah do not want their children hurt, killed, or kidnapped, and New Wave clearly lacks the type of self-management that would prevent such issues. Joining the Protectorate and Wards is a solid and significant step towards fixing those issues. Leaving the city is a fresh start for the Pelhams, and forming a core of a new Protectorate District ensures that any possible bad faith politics from District ENE is also left behind.

... to joining the Protectorate to "ensure the safety of our kids" happen off screen, so readers see a successful forcing by the PRT and expect characters to act appropriately to such events. It also ignores the fact that Lady Photon was the team leader and that her kids triggered, which leads to questions about her competence as a leader and a parent. Then there is the fact that apparently it is safe enough for Amy (who had already been kidnapped) and Victoria (who was targeted by an Empire 88 "plot") to stay in the Bay, but not safe enough for the Pelham's?

Carol accepted that she was a bad parent. She loves Vicky, and describing her feelings towards Amy right now as "it's complicated" is a hilarious understatement. However, Vicky and Amy were nearly utterly uncontrolled, and nothing of Carol's hopes and fears for them were affecting what they were doing.

If this is like the original story then Carol outright stated that she would be a bad parent to Amy. She didn't trust Amy. She didn't see Amy as her daughter. (She didn't see the possibility of Amy being her daughter, at least not until just before Amy was Birdcaged.) If she started seeing Amy as a (possible) daughter after SCONE returned Amy then her being a bad parent to Amy isn't a revelation to her. (And shouldn't be one to Lady Photon either.)

Brandish shrugged and shook her head, as if she could shake off this conversation, this situation. "That child deserves better than I can offer. I know I don't have it in me to form any kind of bond with another child if there's no blood relation."

Especially if she's Marquis'.

"She needs you. You're her only option. I can't, and Fleur and Lightstar aren't old enough or in the right place in their lives for kids, and if she goes anywhere else, it'll be disastrous."

Brandish decided on the most direct, clear line of argument she could muster, "I don't want her. I can't take her."

Brandish glanced at the kid that they'd stowed in the team's car. The child was standing on the car seat, hands pressed against the window. Her stare bored into Brandish as though little girl had laser vision.

The window was open a crack, Brandish noted. The girl could probably hear everything they'd been saying. Brandish looked away.

Lady Photon did as she'd so often done, ignoring reason in favor of the emotional appeal. "You grew to love and trust Mark. You could grow to love and trust that little girl, too."

Betrayal. Brandish had known this would happen the moment Sarah had talked about her taking the girl. Not this, but something like it. Brandish felt a weapon form in her hand.

The day I cease seeing her as his daughter and see how she could be mine, he takes her back, she thought.

Furthermore, unlike the rest of New Wave, Carol's actions directly contributed to getting a lot of people killed. Carol knew nothing about the remote bombs of Bakuda, and acted entirely without concern for the strategic implications of her own actions.

Now that is something I personally would not hold her responsible for. Now, if she had knowledge about a possible dead man's switch it would be different. So, would killing Bakuda in such a confrontation and after what she has done be an issue if there was no such dead man'd switch?

Mark is depressed, and has a lot of self-blame now on top of it. He knew Carol had issues, and still did nothing he sees as adequate to protect her or his kids. He's going to be in therapy for a while.

Hopefully not a PRT therapist. Because with the forced rotation...

Carol and Mark elected to accept the PRT's desire that they stay in Brockton Bay for several reasons.

The problem is of course that the last information (that I can remember) stated that they didn't want to join and if forced to join the Protectorate they would cut a deal and leave. Which is what I based my view on.

First, it is a sort of public self-flagellation over their own guilt. Not the healthiest of reasons, but it also clearly separates them, the failed heroes, from the Pelhams. Helping the Pelhams make a clean separation is a decent thing to do for them.

Honestly, I don't really get the Pelham's not being failed heroes and not being seen as also having failed. Lady Photon was the team leader, had some awareness of Carol's issues and should have had some awareness of Amy and Mark's issues if somewhat competent. And while they did not kill Bakuda, they were involved.

Second, Vicky is not getting out of this without probation in the Wards. Letting her stay with her boyfriend and other friends is a small kindness that may help Vicky understand that this is both a punishment and lesson on how to be a better hero.

Getting out and away from possible bad influences as well as away from Empire 88 who targeted her would make more sense to me.

Third, Amy and the huge hot mess of political issues that the unrestricted healing she represents entails. Taking Amy out of the city, into a new District, would make her the most attractive target out of all of New Wave for being kidnapped. Brockton Bay has an established cape scene. Not a stable or static one, but at least the capes that already tried to kidnap her were out of towners. If Amy is taken out of the city, there's now unknown threat levels of both out of towners and the local established villains. Furthermore, Amy has Recluse here. Carol and Mark are not thrilled about Recluse, but the enigmatic Tinker is at least helpful to Amy, and Amy has passed all M/S screening thus far for malign influence. If a new Director, either Tagg in Brockton Bay or the Director of wherever they might move to, decides to pressure Amy, then Recluse has already fully demonstrated her ability and willingness to not care about what other groups want in opposition to what Amy wants. Amy is the only Dallon who didn't screw up, and Carol has a complex mess of feelings that has resulted in trying to ensure that Amy isn't punished for what her sister or parents did. Also, it's a little reassuring to keep Amy in the city of the only group that was able to rescue her when she was kidnapped. The PRT and New Wave completely failed in dealing with that, but Recluse made the problem go away. Whether or not 'go away' means 'experiment on everybody involved in kidnapping Amy until they eventually died' is a question that Carol and Mark really hope has an answer that is at least neutral on the morality scale, but at least Recluse rescued Amy when they and the PRT failed.

Now Recluse being considered a resource to keep Amy safe? That I can understand. (The fact that the established cape scene that did not produce threats to their children was not considered by the Pelham's I don't understand.)

As for Vicky, she feels horribly guilty about what her aura did to Amy, and yet also emotionally violated by the implicit trust about the sisterly relationship with Amy being something other than what Vicky understood it to be. She still considers Amy her sister, and wants good things for her, but being in the same room as Amy makes Vicky's skin crawl. She's going to get over it, just as Amy is slowly getting over her own power induced infatuation, but Amy not having to join the Wards is a solid plus, for both sisters. Amy would be severely isolated if her only option was 'not-Wards'. Staying in Brockton Bay means Amy has the option of Recluse as protection and support.

Did Dean blab before the decision was made? I seem to recall that it was after? (Also, he's an idiot. And I quite liked the way you portrayed him in An Essence of Spirit.)

Danny made up the character for Xanatos, whole cloth and entirely for the purpose of talking to people. There is no paperwork for Xanatos.

Danny used Xanatos to interact with the PRT and capes as a cape. If Danny does paperwork as head of SCONE, moving illegal monies, and if his cape persona is Xanatos, specifically so that his civilian identity would not be at risk, then why isn't the illegal paperwork that Danny from the Dockworkers Union would not do but somebody in the position of Xanatos would proof that he is the cape Xanatos?

All the paperwork Danny does is for Lisa's part of the Hebert SCONE. Most of it also doesn't have Thrawn's name on it, because that's a clear and obvious sign that it's illegal. Now that I've thought about it, I've fairly sure that Danny has never actually applied a writing implement to dried wood pulp to mark out the letters 'Xanatos'. If he ever signed an autograph, it would surprising valuable. Xanatos only exists insofar as the costume of Xanatos exists.

Danny and Taylor has lots and lots of money that came from Coil. Are you telling me that he hasn't been using any of that in illegal manor to buy chemicals or rare earths? Or moving funds? And there is the fact that you wrote him as working with Lisa, not for Lisa. I read the as joint ventures with Lisa, meaning money came from both sides.

Trying to make sense of the paperwork in front of me just reminded me that I needed a secretary and an accountant, or possibly multiple ones of each. The problem was that the majority of my paperwork was technically illegal in a number of ways. The three areas of juggling the infrastructure investments I was making with Lisa, under the table transfers of deeds and funds to slowly take over the urban repair section of city hall for the city pipes and the sewage treatment plant, and the clandestine implementation of Lisa's self-administered ego stroking, left me pretty swamped.

Sure, Tagg can say that first point. He'll have to present evidence to a judge to make it stick, but he could certainly try for a PR win before that. Making an argument that the parents of children who trigger are inherently not fit to retain custody of their children makes me think of outcomes where he's literally eaten by a soccer mom brigade (The teasing of BeaconHill about their cannibalism tropes is a bad influence on me) before every other Director overseeing Wards have the time to pool their money and have him assassinated, but Tagg could certainly try for that argument.

Give the man some credit. I do and I see him as a villain. As willing to do evil. But I don't see him as being incompetent.

From what we know even second generation triggers are very bad things. Either there is a source external to the family for both Pelham children triggering, an internal issue or a mixture. And by this time the PRT should have enough "experts" and "case studies" to support this. So throwing doubt on Lady Photon's suitability should be easy enough. (And could very well be true.) And why ever would he make a PR battle out of it instead of just making a statement or two in the right ears and allowing access to case studies and experts? (Or having Miss Militia making the statements into ears and allowing access to case studies and experts?)

Seriously though, parents of children who trigger not being inherently not fit to retain custody of their children? That is something that the PRT should actually look into, why did the kid trigger and what is the kid's home life like. Because those parents could very well not be fit to be parents and those kids could need real theraphy. (I'm reminded of the family photo Sophia had, where the only person smiling was her mother.)

The other points would work with varying degrees of success, but the argument that Tagg would then be an idiot for working with untrustworthy people after he took over as Director and did nothing to change their deal with the PRT would undercut his points. That's before anybody else even has to make a statement. I expect that if I was writing it, I would give Tagg a victory on these points, but a rather narrow one that was only relative to the loss of credibility done to his opponents. The people whose reputation he is tearing down are supposedly his own people after all.

Or Tagg could just make those points privately to the people making the decisions if Brandish doesn't want to sign up a captured Amy for Ward membership and tries the "needed protectioning the Dallon's couldn't provide" reasoning. (Or have Miss Militia make the points.) Honestly, if Tagg was showing his true colours why would he choose the stupidest way to go about it? Why not be quiet about it, like when he worked with Alexandria?

I don't understand why you aren't accounting for Brian, Aisha, and Amy when you say this. The PRT will absolutely be contested in their treatment of the Hebert SCONE by Amy, almost certainly by Brian simply teleporting out of containment, and there's good odds that Aisha will simply walk out if she was somehow picked up.

Brian and Aisha? Where is their proof? What proof do they have? That is why I discount them. Because they are unknowns who say to the media that everything their bosses did was perfectly fine. And on the other side the PRT troopers and analysts say differently. The recordings provided say differently. The Protectorate members say differently. The Bond Villain Base says differently. Brian and Aisha have claims that the PRT is bad and SCONE not. The PRT has several times as many people who actually appear trustworthy saying this is not the case, some of them Protectorate members in good standing as well as recordings, physical evidence and the fact that SCONE broke somebody out of a Birdcage transport.

As to Amy? I can think of several reasons why she would be free to act. It ranges from Vicky breaking her out. (Victoria discovered that Dean shared stuff she though she told him in confidence with Miss Militia, who used it to manipulate her. This leads to her having questions about the therapists... her leading the reporter to Amy and Tattletale.) To Amy creating a suit like Fleshmaster / dWARf. (Amy just managed to touch the flower before... helped load the doppleganger into the transport.) To Amy second triggering. (Stuck in the foam she watched Taylor collapse, red growing on... reforming her legs, she got ready to walk into the office.) To Amy just getting out. (She looked at the trooper, considering the deal she... walked out of the apartment, ignoring the relieved voices.) But the thing is that Tagg is evil (or close enough that the difference doesn't matter), ruthless, at least reasonably competent and has a bunch of resources. If Amy is captured I can see a number of ways he can stop her, ranging from charging her as an accessory to a deal with Carol to Master / Stranger testing that just drags on until Danny folds to slipping her something so she can be tested (while unconscious) for bio-tinkering in a secure facility for two weeks. And I can't imagine why Tagg wouldn't try to win.

Unless somethings changed, there are just assumptions on SCONE's part. There is just the assumption that if there is a raid the worst that could happen is that everybody Danny and Lisa cares about gets captured without problems, instead of say crippled or killed by accident. There is the assumption somebody will go to the media instead of taking what they can and getting out. (Or making a deal with the PRT that favors them.) There is the assumption that the media will grab their story. There is the assumption that Tagg won't be ruthless and smart enough to screw them over. And probably several other assumptions as well. Which is one of the reasons why that chapter left such a bad taste.

Yeah? A reexamination of Canary's trial would be very unlikely to make it easier for Tagg to abuse the Hebert SCONE.

That was not what I meant. Canary's trial was unfair. Danny should be aware of this. Expecting to get a fair trial if captured instead of an unfair one does not speak well of his intelligence.

Uh, the one built around the issue where the teenage girl was somehow not ordered to retreat from a four verses one cape fight that included a birdcage bound murderer?

Yes, that one.

What part of that situation makes you think the media wouldn't gnaw off one of their own arms to run a story like that? Running a story about the PRT sending a single heroic child parahuman against four villains makes for an amazing story line about PRT reckless endangerment or incompetence. Every part of Worm canon downplays the ability of normals to fight parahumans. The PRT strike squad, the one that had multiple fatalities and was only saved by the timely intervention of Recluse's drone units, was clearly inadequate as protection or backup for Shadow Stalker.

The fact that Wards faced Endbringers, the Slaughterhouse 9, Enchinada and a number of lesser but still dangerous capes in the original story, means a Ward of sufficient age facing danger isn't the huge thing it would be in our world. Add to that the fact that the PRT would control the story, basically framing it how they want and I don't see this as a "White Supremacist Sympathizer Tries To Get Black Ward Killed" kind of story. A "Heroic Ward" or a "Recklessly Heroic Ward" sure, but not a "White Supremacist Sympathizer" story.

The gang that is run by a bunch of kids and a single dad? The gang that spent the vast majority of its now public activities in running two homeless camps and ferrying around Panacea? The one keeping villains in their employ from committing further crimes, took down another gang that was into kidnapping children, and has been attacking the white supremacist gang of the city?

That gang, or was it another one?

If Tagg gets all of the Hebert SCONE, Aparrit is going to escape and Imp is probably going to escape. They're going to tell the news people the same content as what I said in the immediately preceding sentences to this one.

And then the media gets to decide who to trust. The two unknown capes who swear high and low that they're telling the truth or the PRT's usual liaison who can provide photo's, recordings, interviews and a tour of the non restricted sections of the Bond Villain Base. And who assures them Canary has been re-caught, Purity is in a holding cell and Hijack is sedated. And who's willing to remind them about what Canary, Purity and Hijack did. And who would arrange protection (a trap) from these unknown capes who associated with the likes of Canary, Purity, Hellhound and Hijack

Then they're going to get Amy to back them up, which she will. Panacea is going to be upset at Taylor getting incarcerated, and will enthusiastically confirm that Tagg likes abusing children and breaking the law.

Unless Amy is busy with Master / Stranger screening, incarcerated or being checked for bio-tinker modifications.

If Tagg stops that, by incarcerating Amy, then Carol and Vicky will lose their shit. They will tell anybody and everybody that Tagg is trying to cover up his own crimes by scapegoating children, as publicly as possible.

Unless Tagg offers Carol a deal on Amy's behalf that she would see as better than it becoming known that Amy willingly associating with villains. Or perhaps her therapist has given Tagg pointers on how to manipulate Carol. Or perhaps Carol was given the opportunity to take Vicky to a training camp and arrives to find Amy being released and Danny having crumbled. Or perhaps Tagg agrees to have Amy released, after checking for bio-tinker modifications or Master / Stranger checking and makes Danny crumble in the meantime. Tagg is evil and ruthless, not incompetent.

If Tagg stops that, by incarcerating all the Dallons, then the Pelhams will calmly and methodically make public statements to wreck Tagg's narrative.

If Tagg can't have Danny fold before the Pellham's find out or hasn't already lost by then he deserves it.

Yeah? I've already agreed to that multiple times at this point. I don't see how it's further relevant.

It becomes relevant each time there is a statement saying something about SCONE not having committed clear crimes and due to this the PRT would be unable to whatever.

As for what Lisa should know, I'm not sure how to respond to the or the subsequent points based on it. Metastable!Lisa thinks her decisions are good ideas, and that her compromises are at least acceptable.

That is in regards to Lisa's power and the fact that I would expect her to use it to get a better idea of Tagg. If she hasn't done so? Then I shrug and drop it.
 
Taylor is unlucky enough to attend the only school that will reopen soon. Now she'll have less time for tinkering due to having to attend classes and finish homework again.
I think the bigger problem is "What happens when everyone from the folded schools (namely Emma) shows up at Arcadia?"
@Valdimarian has the right of it, there will be a lot of transfer students and temporary facilities. I just decided that only one or two schools survived, and then decided that if Arcadia survived in canon, it would survive here. Most students will be going to Arcadia, because most students are unlucky enough to have parents that want them educated.

Nope.
It is literally outside of what can be provided by science. It could work if shards patched reality locally but I doubt two shards would patch reality in similar way- there is little reason to - so Taylor wouldn't have recognized situation so easily.


Having HEs in engines is already strange. I guess, nitromethane engines are a thing, but not on the scale of real cars. It also implies that Squealer has some way to produce said explosives on semi-industrial scale - and that's wet chemistry, which is entirely within Taylor's specialty.
Worm isn't hard science. Still, you have an alternative idea for what to include in that section?

Um. How I missed that?
Berrilium is fairly costly (yearly would production below 1000 ton) and annoyingly toxic.
Beryllium is one of my favorite elements, so the reference stays :p
Maybe the concentration is very low, like 0.3% or something.

The thing is that according to what I recall New Wave did want to be heroes but did not want to join the Protectorate / Wards. They were angling for staying in the Bay and staying independent.
I'm going to have to ask you to drop the topic of how I handled New Wave's collapse and intergration into the PRT. I've already admitted several times now that how I handled the fallout of New Wave killing Oni Lee and Bakuda would need a rewrite to have it properly fit into the story. Simply and repeatedly pointing out a problem I've already acknowledged is not helpful and I'm beginning to find it rude.

If you have further questions about what should have been written, then by all means ask. However, please cease telling me that it is simply, in fact, poorly written. I've already acknowledged that several times now.

Did Dean blab before the decision was made? I seem to recall that it was after? (Also, he's an idiot. And I quite liked the way you portrayed him in An Essence of Spirit.)
I pictured Dean as trying to solve the issue of Amy's infatuation with Vicky as occurring within a day or so of New Wave voluntarily beginning their stay at the Rig. Vicky didn't react well when Dean tried to explain to her that her sister had psych problems related to her, and then it all came out from there.

Danny used Xanatos to interact with the PRT and capes as a cape. If Danny does paperwork as head of SCONE, moving illegal monies, and if his cape persona is Xanatos, specifically so that his civilian identity would not be at risk, then why isn't the illegal paperwork that Danny from the Dockworkers Union would not do but somebody in the position of Xanatos would proof that he is the cape Xanatos?
That same logic also works to prove that Lisa is also Xanatos. And Taylor, and every single person that had access to the paperwork, because there is no smoking gun that Danny (as opposed to all the other adult males associated with Hebert SCONE) is Xanatos.
The paperwork doesn't have Danny's name on it, or Lisa's name, or the names Thrawn and Xanatos. The paperwork is illegal, and so has as little to tie it back to the people managing it as possible. All the illegal paperwork is in Taylor's heroic lair, and none of illegal paperwork is helpfully labeled as "Xanatos's portion of the illegal paperwork". It's whatever accounting wizarding Lisa needs to let her manage the properties and investments the Heberts and she split. All the 'names' on the paperwork are whatever fake legal names of non-existent people or shell companies that allow the Hebert SCONE to launder/operate/invest their illegal wealth

Seriously though, parents of children who trigger not being inherently not fit to retain custody of their children? That is something that the PRT should actually look into, why did the kid trigger and what is the kid's home life like. Because those parents could very well not be fit to be parents and those kids could need real theraphy. (I'm reminded of the family photo Sophia had, where the only person smiling was her mother.)
There's a lot the PRT should be doing, but Worm canon suggests they usually don't.

Tagg could just make those points privately to the people making the decisions if Brandish doesn't want to sign up a captured Amy for Ward membership and tries the "needed protectioning the Dallon's couldn't provide" reasoning. (Or have Miss Militia make the points.) Honestly, if Tagg was showing his true colours why would he choose the stupidest way to go about it? Why not be quiet about it, like when he worked with Alexandria?
Tagg can't get Amy taken away from her family without a judge signing off on it. He cannot whisper into somebody's ear to make this happen. He would also have to make public statements that the previously agreed to by the PRT operation of things was invalid and that it needs to change.

Brian and Aisha? Where is their proof? What proof do they have?
The backing of Amy, and whomever else they can get on their side.
Where is the PRT's proof? Sure, it looks like the Hebert SCONE has been breaking the law, but far less so than the E88 and the PRT is hell bent on pounding the down child parahumans with fewer crimes than the nazis gang in the city.

the fact that the PRT would control the story, basically framing it how they want and I don't see this as a "White Supremacist Sympathizer Tries To Get Black Ward Killed" kind of story. A "Heroic Ward" or a "Recklessly Heroic Ward" sure, but not a "White Supremacist Sympathizer" story.
This may be the crux of our discussion, I think.

WoG for Metastable: The PRT, and Tagg specifically, cannot unilaterally dictate the content of the media, either locally or nationally.

My arguments for this hypothetical is intended to be in line with my understanding of worm canon, as the PRT was seriously upset at the release of the E88 identities and Skitter had better PR than the PRT at Arcadia. The PRT lacked the ability to limit the release of strategically dangerous information or dictate their appearance in the media.

After the humiliation of having all of Coil's informants in the PRT publicly outed, as well as those of the other gangs that included the E88, I'm content to simply flat out state that the media will absolutely refuse to ignore a second story from the people of the Hebert SCONE about further gang infiltrators in the local PRT.

Already once in Metastable has Thrawn and Xanatos been proven to know more about the security of the Brockton Bay PRT than the people in charge of running it. To hold the position that the media will refuse to countenance even the possibility that the PRT is screwing over Thrawn and Xanatos to avoid a second humiliation may be past my ability to grasp.

Can you explain further as to how you are concluding that the worm canon PRT's ability to control the media in Brockton Bay exists to the extent you claim?

Unless Tagg offers Carol a deal on Amy's behalf that she would see as better than it becoming known that Amy willingly associating with villains
Carol will demand that in notarized writing, either a declaration of intending to charge Amy or actual charges, and the offered deal. Making this a public spectacle prevents Tagg from screwing over the Hebert SCONE in the short term, thus allowing Lisa and Danny to leverage her knowledge and information to force a useful deal.

That is in regards to Lisa's power and the fact that I would expect her to use it to get a better idea of Tagg. If she hasn't done so? Then I shrug and drop it.
My point was that Lisa in story almost certainly has a better idea of Tagg's personality and abilities than you, and if Lisa sees no problem with her actions, then you are arguing that either I've written Lisa badly (totally possible, so please don't take this as me saying you're definitively wrong) or that you have a better grasp of the situation than Lisa (again, that's at least possible, because Lisa does occasionally screw up with her power in both Worm and Metastable, but if it's supposed to be a 'shocking twist' or something, I would have needed to screw up my foreshadowing to have confirmed it. If I had confirmed it, then it wouldn't be foreshadowing.)
 
Wait, is Taylor not being homeschooled here? Why would she need to go to Arcadia at all?

Or am I confusing this with Essence Taylor? : p
 
Danny is trying to get Taylor out of her basement and interact with people.
Danny is having a brain cramp here...

Taylor is out of touch enough that Amy could convince her that xenomorphs were useful.

And he wants to send her to high school? Where she can learn about anime, hentai and things weirder than both of them combined?

When the tentacle city rises from the bay, I'm blaming Danny.
 
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