Metastable

Well damn, thats good to know.
I also really casts her weird habits and 'creepy fidgeting' in a new light.

Its a very subtle influence, like QA's influence on the bugs and combat strategy in original Worm; I approve. (eg. when Taylor was doing the bug clone thing without noticing ever since she first did it.)

I wonder what else QA has been doing...
As much as I wish to find out, I'll have to content myself with keeping mum and continuing to watch.
Wink wink nudge nudge say no more.
 
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Every part of that makes sense except for the plastic knives. Why wouldn't he have metal knives?
Being complete honest here, I did not remember how to say polymer in this language when I write that. But the idea, in my mind, was to have some absurdly (tinker tech) sharp blade, because I can see Taylor tech allowing things close to monomolecular blade and using the glove of the predator armor to hold it until they needed to use that absurdly sharp blade or somehow making it strong enough to not be destroy with a single use which I only would only call bullshit^^.
And shame about the 'recycling pit' I though having multiple ones would be cheap enough to just self-destruct if 88 or PRT tried some of that stuff. But well Taylor and Friends are rich anyway^^ and resourceful^^.
edit: I remove the words above the quote that the computer saved for some reason.
 
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Eh, I disagree with Piggot thinking Taylor couldn't take Animos. Hookwolf is a giant wolf made of metal and she used him as a chew toy, Animos is made of meat.

However, if her power is doing all the heavy lifting when it comes to giving orders just like Squeler's powers make her the Stig when it comes to driving, maybe Animos might be quick enough to take Taylor.
 
So, you will notice I've not quoted all of your arguments. I'm concerned that I'm beginning to lose track of the debate, and wanted to restate it.

No issues from my side. Honestly, this has been going on so long...

Are these statements accurate and total for your premise as to how Tagg would intend to act at each step in this hypothetical?

No. I haven't been trying to say Tagg will do A then B then, depending upon the results of B either C or F, then... (I could, if you want, put together a plan that I do not believe would be unreasonable for what I know of Tagg given the original story?)

This whole long thread has basically been me saying "This breaks my suspension of disbelief because of A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K and L" then you saying "No, A, B, D, F, H, J and L isn't a problem because of the following reasons" then me saying "This reasons wouldn't work / is easily countered because of..." with you replying then me then you then me with an occasional "Okay" or "Ignore".

Director Tagg is able to scoop up the Hebert SCONE in its entirety. This includes Amy, the Undersiders, Purity, and Canary. (This isn't so much a debate point, but the underlying assumption in which the debate is held.)

Given the fact that there are already drugs that can cause memory loss and Armsmaster did work with drugs I believe a Tinkertech version for a (reasonably) controlled duration of memory loss should be possible, given the fact that Piggot knew of "channels" she could use to send messages without Dragon finding out, given the fact that Tagg was shown as competent enough in the original story to circumvent Thinker abilities (just send Miss Militia out to make a call from a random phone outside the PRT building) and my belief that Taylor's abilities do not easily lend itself to scanning for "bugs" that do not leave chemical traces then yes, if Tagg isn't hasty.

Brian (and possible Aisha) escapes via powers, and go to the media.

Yes. (As opposed to just cutting a deal for themselves (Brian) or doing something stupid like trying a jailbreak (Aisha).)

The PRT is able to negate any media investigation into the accuracy of Brian's statements.

No. They don't kill any investigation if they're not stupid and have some experience. I would expect that if something like that happens that the PRT reminds the media investigators about Canary's breakout and "assists" the media by providing recordings of requests for meetings, recordings about questions about bio-tinkering, interviews with PRT troopers and Protectorate members, proof of any and all clashes between the PRT / Protectorate and Empire 88 as well as a tour of the parts of the Bond Villain base they're willing to show the media. They don't kill the investigation, they use it to discredit claims.


The media will not be able to report that Shadow Stalker was allowed to engage four adult E88 villains, without any other cape backup, in a situation that resulted in multiple PRT trooper deaths and was ultimately resolved by Taylor's drone units.

I would expect that to be spin doctored and used to the PRT's PR department.

Tagg is able to keep Amy Dallon imprisoned indefinitely (weeks?) until her parents agree to prevent her from publicly corroborating Brian's statements, or Tagg simply treats her as a full member of the Hebert SCONE

How common are bio-tinkers in your story? How long would it take to get one to test Amy and make certain there are no surprises? How long would such testing take? How long would master / stranger testing take? How would Carol react if the immediate media response paints SCONE as villains?

The rest of the Hebert SCONE is kept in indefinite individual isolation until they cave or Tagg sends them to the Birdcage.

Danny is Taylor's guardian, that's it. He has no legal rights in regards to Kayden, Lisa, Alex or Rachel. So they're... Well, their position is whatever the law says it is in your story. Canary? Why wouldn't she be back on a transport to the Birdcage as soon as possible. Add the fact that in the original story, Danny, when put in a situation, gave in as soon as there was a good possibility to lose:

"For the last time, Alan, shut up," my dad growled, "My daughter is right. This has been a joke. I have a friend in the media. I think I'm going to give her a call, email her that list of emails and the list of incidents. Maybe pressure from the public would get things done."

"I hope it doesn't come to that, Danny," Alan replied, "If you recall, your daughter assaulted and battered Emma just last night. That's in addition to threatening her, here. We could press charges. I do have the surveillance video from the mall, and a signed slip from that teenage superheroine, Shadow Stalker, that verifies she saw it happen, in what could have provoked a riot."

Oh. So that was why Emma had been so confident. She and her dad had an ace up their sleeve.

"There's mitigating circumstances," my dad protested, "She has a concussion, she was provoked, she only hit Emma once. The charges wouldn't stick."

"No. But the case could drag out for some time. When our families used to have dinner together, you remember me saying how most cases were resolved?"

"Decided by who ran out of money first," my dad said. I felt him clutch me a fraction tighter.

"I may be a divorce attorney, but the same applies in a criminal case."

If we went to the media, he'd press assault charges just to drain our bank accounts.

"I thought we were friends, Alan," my dad replied, his voice strained.

"We were. But at the end of the day, I have to protect my daughter."

I looked at my teachers. At Mrs. Knott, who I'd even say was my favorite teacher, "Don't you see how fucked up this is? He's blackmailing us right in front of you, and you can't understand that this manipulation has been going on from the beginning?"

Mrs. Knott frowned, "I don't like the sound of it, but we can only comment and act on what happens in school."

"It's happening right here!"

"You know what I mean."

I pulled away. In my haste to get out of that room, I practically kicked down the door. My dad caught up to me in the hallway.

"I'm sorry," he said.

"Whatever," I said, "I'm so not surprised."

"Let's go home."

Yeah, and so will be the fingerprints of whoever else Lisa uses to help with the paperwork, of which there are plenty. There's more paperwork being done than Danny is able to keep up with, and he comments that he's having to consider bringing in dockworkers with those sorts of skills because of the volume of it.
It's easy to prove that Danny and Lisa are the joint inheritors of Coil's assets. What's not easy to prove is that Xanatos is anything other than a fictional scapegoat that Lisa made up, and had one of her mercenaries wear the costume of.

If you say so.

How is that different than controlling the media?
Shadow Stalker and a set of PRT Troopers fought four villains of the E88. Shadow Stalker was not ordered to retreat. Multiple PRT Troopers died.
Either the media can learn of and say that, or not.

Controlling the media means the media does what the PRT tell it, meaning it writes precisely what the PRT's PR department gives it to write, word for word or so close as to make no difference.

Controlling the story means that the PRT presents the story to the media without any others being able to provide contradicting "facts". So the PRT's PR department coaches the troopers and Shadow Stalker in what to say beforehand. Now, that gives the media a range of options on what to write and how to write it, but if they start claiming that Tagg is a Nazi or Tagg is A White Supremacist when the "facts" (or facts) given in the interviews don't support it? That is when the lawyers get involved. (And possibly other problems, such as other media whatever's getting interviews with Wards, Protectorate members and PRT talking heads while the one that went for "Tagg is a Nazi / White Supremacist" not getting interviews and invites.)

Because Amy is a non-violent offender, and can be charged with far less than either Assault or Shadow Stalker. Forcing a public spectacle helps protect Amy's friends.

As I recall, and I can be wrong, Shadow Stalker's known crimes were either making a mistake while trying to be a "hero" and injuring somebody or being a bit too brutal while trying to be a "hero". On the other hand, Amy deliberately chose to stay with and assist villains. So who would be charged with less depends upon how you want the law to look at heroes / vigilantes versus the aiding and abetting of villains in your story.

But I wasn't talking about possible charges. I mentioned reputation. A public spectacle damages Amy's reputation because it gets out that she knowingly and of her own free will associated with and aided criminals who freed Canary, a Birdcage bound criminal and associated with somebody who performed experiments on human brains.

Forcing a public spectacle helps protect Amy's friends. The Dallons would be opposed to the railroading of children capes by Tagg.

If I recall correctly Carol knows almost nothing about SCONE.

Lisa regularly called Tagg's phone to hassle him, until Danny made her stop. That was supposed to demonstrate how effective she is at getting information on the inner workings of the PRT. While I haven't argued the base premise of your hypothetical previously, let me state now: Tagg simply cannot actually capture the entirety of the Hebert SCONE. Lisa would see that coming a mile away. I've enjoyed this conversation, but always considered it as a hypothetical thought exercise.

Barring significant external forces, the PRT capturing more than about half of the Hebert SCONE is not physically possible in current state of the story. Lisa has been building on her inherited remains of Coil's gang and Taylor is a shut-in paranoid with a city spanning set of resources and abilities. The downtown lair has multiple secret exits that the majority of Hebert SCONE would easily escape through during a raid, if Tagg somehow learned of the downtown lair and managed to put together a sufficiently sized force of people without Lisa learning of when the vehicles left the PRT building, if not sooner. Taylor and Lisa, the lynchpins of the Hebert SCONE aren't even out of the lair all that often. While Amy is increasingly powerful, Tagg missing out Taylor and Lisa would doom his goals for the raid.

Of course, the loss of her primary lab would be a massive setback for Taylor, and the worst danger for Lisa is that Taylor would blame Lisa for the loss of Taylor's primary heroic lair. The presence of four or so backup lairs, and the next generation matrix processor being under construction in an entirely different part of the city, would not sooth Taylor's mood.

OK. Now, would Danny and Lisa have been certain of that before going to Piggot?
 
This has been going on so long that I don't even actually remember if the shard Taylor has has been mentioned before ooc,
Yes. Tascion stated somewhere early that Taylor has QA and that the QA is a very happy shard.

so to avoid missing stuff does she have ideas to build sniffers or scanners? They should be standard when raiding enemy bases!

XRF lin
Anything XRF related normally would be frustratingly hard to build with Taylor's tools, because it needs a vacuum tube and rather high voltage. Granted, Tascion mentioned Leet building universal electromagnetic wave transmitter, so it might get a pass, but my RL sensibilities would buzz when they need not.
 
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Not really. If I'm remembering my high-school cross-country days correctly, a 5 minute mile is actually pretty doable, even for a teenager doing a 5 kilometer run. It was the standard the coaches held the best runners to, and Piggot is likely thinking "military" rather than "high school," with a healthy dose of "this is a life or death matter, so it's important." So yeah, From Piggot's perspective she's being perfectly reasonable.
Nah, 5 minute mile is an extremely high mark. When I was in the Marines, the max score for the running portion of the PFT was 18 minutes for 3 miles; passing was 26 minutes. The fastest guy I knew, who had been a track & field guy, ran it in 16 minutes.

I mean, in just this chapter Madison literally asked to be attacked with tentacles immediately after transforming into a busty blonde woman designed to invoke "distracted by the sexy." She's already on that.
Yeah, definitely some allusions to SpecificProtagonist's "case 53"
thing there.
 
so to avoid missing stuff does she have ideas to build sniffers or scanners? They should be standard when raiding enemy bases!
Anything XRF related normally would be frustratingly hard to build with Taylor's tools, because it needs a vacuum tube and rather high voltage. Granted, Tascion mentioned Leet building universal electromagnetic wave transmitter, so it might get a pass, but my RL sensibilities would buzz when they need not.
Taylor's Apex Laser is from Leet, and can be tuned to any frequency from ELF to HX. It's one scary device that nobody, possibly aside from Lisa, appreciates. Taylor can't replicate it, but she can maintain it. Derivative versions are possible for specific frequencies. Taylor usually builds radio lasers for communication.

The other half of the Apex Laser is the receiver, which Taylor has sadly not given a cool name, and the receiving interface can detect and handle any output from the Apex Laser. Taylor maintains it, but doesn't use it much. She makes specialized derivative receivers for communication.

Because the Apex Laser is at the edge of Taylor's specialty, she's markedly more limited in Tinker based designs using it. Because she's unaware of XRF, and her Tinker power isn't prompting her that its possible, she's not likely to develop it.

All of that said, she uses chemical reaction based sensors to look for metals and has already adjusted how her unit for materials to avoid these issues in the future.

On the fitness side I bet Amy can offer some direct modification or facilitate a polymer solution from Taylor's tinkering. Maybe have any break muscle fibers and Taylor pump scafolding to boost muscle growth?
Amy and Taylor could get some synergy, but Taylor works with dead things and Amy works with living things. There would be something like twice the risk of breakdown or issues at the interface of their two powers.

Also, Amy is coming into her own with her power, but there are still issues. Some of her plants die after

I also really casts her weird habits and 'creepy fidgeting' in a new light.
Well, don't ascribe all of Taylor's efforts to QA. Taylor manages to be pretty weird all on her own. It's a balance. On one hand, an eldritch phenomenon from beyond space, and the other, a teenage girl. That's a pretty even amount of weird to split between them.

Eh, I disagree with Piggot thinking Taylor couldn't take Animos. Hookwolf is a giant wolf made of metal and she used him as a chew toy, Animos is made of meat.
Urgh, I meant Taylor as a standalone person. Not Taylor with her unattached equipment.

'How well could Taylor fight Animos if Taylor ended up in an environment that Taylor hadn't previous set up' is what I meant.

Also, to ask people in general, would a six minute mile be more reasonable? This is a tiny adjustment to the text, and yet it still seems like a waste of time on my part for what is a throwaway comment.

Tascion stated somewhere early that Taylor has QA and that the QA is a very happy shard.
You remembered!
:)

No. I haven't been trying to say Tagg will do A then B then, depending upon the results of B either C or F, then... (I could, if you want, put together a plan that I do not believe would be unreasonable for what I know of Tagg given the original story?)

This whole long thread has basically been me saying "This breaks my suspension of disbelief because of A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K and L" then you saying "No, A, B, D, F, H, J and L isn't a problem because of the following reasons" then me saying "This reasons wouldn't work / is easily countered because of..." with you replying then me then you then me with an occasional "Okay" or "Ignore".
We have been talking about the possibility of Tagg capturing the SCONE inner circle because Danny went to Piggot. Which would make answering the above as easy as saying that while the PRT would have preferred to capture the Empire they got a tip about SCONE, basically having SCONE fall in their lap.
If this debate was just meant to be solely limited to 'can Tagg plausibly pick up the SCONE inner circle because Danny went to Piggot', then the answer is no.
Piggot is being tracked carefully, and her information is limited. Piggot doesn't even know that Recluse is using the same lair that Coil was using, much less where it is. Uber and Leet did some CGI stuff to make Coil's base look above ground and like a warehouse. From Piggot, Tagg could learn: Recluse has a huge lair and Thrawn rents part of it.


Given the fact that there are already drugs that can cause memory loss and Armsmaster did work with drugs I believe a Tinkertech version for a (reasonably) controlled duration of memory loss should be possible, given the fact that Piggot knew of "channels" she could use to send messages without Dragon finding out, given the fact that Tagg was shown as competent enough in the original story to circumvent Thinker abilities (just send Miss Militia out to make a call from a random phone outside the PRT building) and my belief that Taylor's abilities do not easily lend itself to scanning for "bugs" that do not leave chemical traces then yes, if Tagg isn't hasty.
Drugs that can cause memory loss are in canon?

No. They don't kill any investigation if they're not stupid and have some experience. I would expect that if something like that happens that the PRT reminds the media investigators about Canary's breakout and "assists" the media by providing recordings of requests for meetings, recordings about questions about bio-tinkering, interviews with PRT troopers and Protectorate members, proof of any and all clashes between the PRT / Protectorate and Empire 88 as well as a tour of the parts of the Bond Villain base they're willing to show the media. They don't kill the investigation, they use it to discredit claims.
Controlling the media means the media does what the PRT tell it, meaning it writes precisely what the PRT's PR department gives it to write, word for word or so close as to make no difference.

Controlling the story means that the PRT presents the story to the media without any others being able to provide contradicting "facts". So the PRT's PR department coaches the troopers and Shadow Stalker in what to say beforehand. Now, that gives the media a range of options on what to write and how to write it, but if they start claiming that Tagg is a Nazi or Tagg is A White Supremacist when the "facts" (or facts) given in the interviews don't support it? That is when the lawyers get involved. (And possibly other problems, such as other media whatever's getting interviews with Wards, Protectorate members and PRT talking heads while the one that went for "Tagg is a Nazi / White Supremacist" not getting interviews and invites.)
Now, you said that the media would report that as "Local PRT Director sends the only black ward in the city to fight Hookwolf without any other cape support" and I said no, because " the PRT would control the story", with the PRT troopers and Shadow Stalker giving interviews to the reporter. Control as in the PRT gives the interviews, the recordings, the everything and all Aisha / Brian does is just call the PRT director a Nazi / White Supremacists. So, what happens, does the reporter still go for "Local PRT Director sends the only black ward in the city to fight Hookwolf without any other cape support" after getting interviews and statements from those involved that do not support the headline? Because I doubt whether anything (whether because of PRT PR coaching or the truth) from the PRT side would support it.
Thanks for the quotes, that is good :)

There's very little to 'shape' about an interview over Shadow Stalker fighting E88 capes.
1) Did Shadow Stalker have any Protectorate backup?
2) Was Shadow Stalker ordered to retreat from a fight that included Hookwolf?
3) What injuries were incurred during this fight?

1) No.
2) No.
3) Four fatalities and several people with varying degrees of violent trauma.

How can that be shaped to make the PRT look good or competent? Sure, the PRT can claim that they were the ones that drove off the E88 and Recluse's involvement was completely unnecessary, but that's still an atrocious attrition rate. At best it looks like the PRT doesn't care if Shadow Stalker or PRT troopers die.

Either the PRT can hide the truth of this fight or not.

How common are bio-tinkers in your story? How long would it take to get one to test Amy and make certain there are no surprises? How long would such testing take? How long would master / stranger testing take? How would Carol react if the immediate media response paints SCONE as villains?
No. Unless Amy escaped she's in PRT custody. Tagg is shown as ruthless, evil and at least somewhat competent in the original story. Even if he limited himself to only reasonable responses Amy wouldn't be out and walking towards the press soon after the capture of SCONE, if he didn't limit himself she's not getting out until after Danny broke.

Consider, what is the reasonable response a "good" director would have to somebody who has spent time with a tinker that might be a bio-tinker? Confinement in a room that would stop any surprises from infecting people while the person is tested for everything, hopefully with thinkers and tinkers doing the testing, with freedom from confinement only coming when it is certain there won't be a tinker plague. What about one that might work on brains? Scanning and then more scanning by tinkers. Stuff like that could go on for days or even weeks.

What is the reasonable response a "good" director would have to somebody who has spent time with a thinker that might be a social-thinker? Master / Stranger testing seems reasonable. And who knows how long that could take.
As an aside, biotinkers are relatively rare in this story, about 10% of tinkers can interact with some type of earth biology, and vastly fewer are limited to just working from earth biology.

If Tagg effectively imprisons Amy, but doesn't do that to any of the other children he's threatening, Carol will do an interview with some journalist and state that Tagg is pathetically embarassed for wasting the PRT's time chasing down children that did a better job of capturing and handling criminal capes than the PRT did and that Tagg is desperating hoping the media will ignore this embarrassment for long enough that he's not forced to step down.

Carol will not react with diplomacy towards a person or group that threatens Amy at this point in the story.

If I recall correctly Carol knows almost nothing about SCONE.
Carol knows that Recluse saved Amy, that Amy trusts Recluse, and that Recluse hasn't asked for anything beyond privacy from Amy, the Dallons in general, or the Protectorate.

Danny is Taylor's guardian, that's it. He has no legal rights in regards to Kayden, Lisa, Alex or Rachel. So they're... Well, their position is whatever the law says it is in your story. Canary? Why wouldn't she be back on a transport to the Birdcage as soon as possible. Add the fact that in the original story, Danny, when put in a situation, gave in as soon as there was a good possibility to lose:
Danny has had far different experiences, for over a year, compared to canon. I appreciate the citation, but I don't feel that it applies.

Canary would likely be on a transport into the Birdcage. Regrettably, that's not something the Hebert SCONE could do much about.

I wasn't talking about possible charges. I mentioned reputation. A public spectacle damages Amy's reputation because it gets out that she knowingly and of her own free will associated with and aided criminals who freed Canary, a Birdcage bound criminal and associated with somebody who performed experiments on human brains.
Great, that would be a good thing. Making a massive spectacle makes it harder for Tagg to bury people. Ensuring that he can't do that would be the primary goal.

Amy might even like it, given that she hates being everybody's favorite healer.

Please do not take this the wrong way but yes, I do believe that if Tagg is close to how I perceive him in the original story then Lisa being on board with going to Piggot, considering the risks this poses of a raid and with Tagg as director then either Lisa's personality or power was downgraded.

Power wise there are lots of choices, among them Piggot, Legend, Armsmaster and also the mercenary where is able to get a pin number off a target when using her power on him again and again and again.
OK. Now, would Danny and Lisa have been certain of that before going to Piggot?
Apparently?
Lisa can pick out people's debit card pin numbers by looking at them. Figuring out how to avoid offending Piggot to the point that she goes to the PRT, and how to limit what Piggot learns about the Hebert SCONE seems like a less difficult use of Lisa's power.

The original was me bringing up the fact that Tagg could bring Carol a deal to sign as Amy's guardian, to keep her out of trouble for associating with criminals. The response was that if he did that Carol would have guardianship transferred to people outside of Tagg's control, which I believe he would be able to interfere with. I don't think I said he would likely attempt to take custody away from Carol or threaten to do so, mostly because I'm of the opinion that he would work to get Amy in the same position as Vicky.
You mean he or his agent can't share personal information with a judge about protectorate members but instead would have to make such information public? No, that breaks belief. There has to be procedures to protect the personal information of Wards and Protectorate members in case of legal proceedings, otherwise their identities (and families) would be too vulnerable.
Ah, I misunderstood. Tagg can absolutely sign the PRT's name to confidential documents to a judge, making the PRT liable for any false or misleading statements to another part of government. What Tagg can't do is get an off the record conversation with a judge, say a bunch of inaccurate things, and then expect the judge to sign paperwork taking Amy away from the Dallon's custody.
 
Drugs that can cause memory loss are in canon?
To be fair there drugs than can cause memory loss in real life. So I can see some tinker even armsmaster creating one. I mean the guy created a sedative that works on Lung, how that works with his specialty is something that amuse me, would his power look around and say 'guys are I not cheating too hard, I just reduce the size of this drug, and this army of robots' or 'you guys cheat too' or 'this look a good enough idea to me' (personally I would go with the 3º for most of the things powers do).
edit: and those powers are less 'bullshit' to me than a strong master or thinker. Because they look at biology/reality as guidelines compare to real life sometimes.
 
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In the previous chapter Danny suggested that Taylor tell Madison and in this chapter she knows. Did I miss something or did you just skip over showing that?
 
Crazy theory time.

Taylor's specialty is Shard Engineering, it just so happens that basic materials composing shards are squishy polymers. QA is unhappy with current state of Scion and Eden hubs, so QA works on refining the issue. Taylor is progressively desensitised to idea of upgrading her body with tinker-tech so she could eventually abandon her earthly form and serve as a proper shard-hub, hence here access to shardspeak and unhealthy interest in interacting with other shards.
 
16.2 Abrasion
16.2 Abrasion
Piggot calmly pulled the bag off her head at the top of the stairs to my lab, and oriented on me. "Time to see the workshop then?"

I irritably waved an arm at her to follow me as I turned and led the way. This was another of dad's plans. Last night at dinner, he decided I should show Piggot my lab. Be more personable to her, and let Lisa listen in to get a further idea of how likely she was to betray us before we shared anything really pertinent.

At the top of the stairs I turned back to her. "Down here is my lab. The stairwell is heavily trapped, and the traps are changed regularly. Never attempt to enter my lab without my explicit permission and instruction."

She responds seriously. "I understand."

I ensure my generated voice is calm while I list out the instructions for getting going down the stairs, and note which tiles are trapped. It's the tiles touching blue tiles this week, and that she is not to stop moving until she's through the door at the bottom.

Nothing bad happens, and as we enter my lab, I step clear of her, turn around, and through my suit arms, control an industrial arm to grab onto my back. Picking myself up, and using the fingers of the industrial arm to form a chair, I sit down to rest.

I'm still peeved that dad is making me do this.

Piggot is looking irritable. I might as well not make this worse than it has to be for me. "Would you like to have a seat?" An arm near her gestures to my tea table and chairs.

She closes her eyes and takes a breath. I don't know what her normal heart rate is, but it seems pretty high currently. Even as I finish up scanning her, she nods to herself and sits down.

I swing myself over, stopping at a height and location as if I was seated with her at the table. "Any questions?"

I don't think I'm as polite as dad would want me to be, but I really don't like her being here.

Imaging of her movements suggests she's trying to hide some tension I hadn't been able to see with my own eyes.

"You like the dark and shadow?"

"Not really, I'm just indifferent. The light levels don't affect my work, so I've never put much effort in modifying them from how they originally existed in this room."

"Why invite me to talk, and why do it in your lab?"

Well, hopefully we can get this over quickly. "Xanatos burned the last favor I owe him to get me to show you my lab and encourage us to interact beyond me learning what I can before your inevitable betrayal of me to the PRT."

She doesn't make a retort, and I feel a stab of, well, not guilt, but desire to not get a talking to later from dad. "I apologize, the last part of that statement was not appropriate."

Piggot decides not to respond, and I just move on. "There are a few things I want to talk about, you, Arania, the Merchants, and how else to help Brockton Bay."

"Alright."

Piggot actually flinches as I flail some of my arms in frustration. "Ok, first: you. Can you suggest some way, outside of the PRT and its allies, through which I could convince you to extend some modicum of trust to me?"

She remains closed off, "Nothing comes to mind. You value secrecy more than interaction, and so you can fully fake any aspect of how you present yourself."

"Fine. Then the next point. Assuming you start telling the PRT about us, despite agreeing not to, I have preferences that I wish you to consider about Arania, for her well being. As near as I can tell, she's a kid or young adult."

"Making her Wards age. Alright, I'm listening."

"Her power isn't just the Changer rating of her body, she's also a Tinker, and it's an ability that is directed towards self-modification."

"Biological modification, like Bonesaw." Her words are quieter now, though I still can't tell what she's feeling.

"Yes, which is why I'll be keeping her and her work away from you as much as possible." I almost leave it at that, but I'm tired and cranky, and she's just so frustrating. "That way you lot don't fuck her up and drive her into villainy."

Piggot snorts derisively at me, and I take a breath to try and calm down. "The point is, I'm monitoring what she makes, which is very little so far, and ensuring that there are no problems. If by some mistake on my part, the PRT attacks me, and she ends up captured. I would consider it appropriate that the PRT also learns that Arania is harmless, despite her unsettling appearance and methods. Tinkers, like all parahumans, need to exercise their powers. Preventing her from doing so, or attacking her for it, is what I expect the PRT to do, but perhaps you'd be willing to act to protect somebody in this case."

"Are you keeping her from building anything self-reproducing, or contagious?"

"I don't need to."

Finally, Piggot emotes, with what I think is fear and anger. "No! You have to keep her from infecting people, or creating plagues and monsters."

I tensed a bit as she yelled, but she hadn't gotten up, simply leaning forward to rage at me. I wait, tinkering quietly until she runs out of patience and leans back into her chair. Once she does, my generated voice replies without a quaver. "I do the appropriate diligence in teaching her the dangers of self-propagating organisms, and anything designed to operate autonomously, in addition to the importance of secondary effects. She mostly responds with mild approval and agreement. She has no interest in such things, and currently the majority of her work is geared towards giving herself a more humanoid form. Your reaction of blind panic and hate is why we're having this conversation."

She glowers at me, and I get a quiet minute of assembling turtle and ant units, while I work on repairing the squiggles that are currently in my lab.

Eventually, she speaks. "So, what, you want to tell her she can run to my house if you get attacked and killed?" Then adds snidely, "No friends who could be more understanding?"

Maybe I am addicted to my interface, but it is very calming to be so close to my tinkering. My voice, as much of a gurgle as it is, still comes out sweetly, "If I wanted understanding, I wouldn't ask for it from someone who hates me and people like me for simply existing. However, I expect that your pride, if nothing else, will demand that you act like a decent person. I intend to tell Arania to run for the PRT if I'm killed, and that she is to metaphorically clamp her mouth shut after demanding that you show up to verify that you've been informed about her power. Not that you can lessen the impact, of course, but a confirmation that she's been active and not done such reprehensible things as you fear, might go a long way."

Piggot shudders, very slightly. I only see it with my scanners. "Recluse, if you truly have her best interests at heart, she needs to start earning trust with the PRT. That will allow her to stay in good standing as she begins to build the more complex things that her tinkering will lead her to as she develops her power. The longer she waits, the more frustrating the long and slow catch up process of getting her tinkertech through an approval board will be for her. She doesn't have to fight. If she's like you, and willing to just exist and tinker, that can be arranged."

Right, time to poke at wounds a bit. Lisa suggested and dad approved. "Kids, I'm told, as I don't have any of my own, can be rather optimistic and trusting. Most of them want to be the hero, in spite of all reason and sense. I never met him, but Thrawn once noted to me that Kid Win had been like that. Was he wrong?"

I watch Piggot sigh, slouching just a bit into the seat. "No, he wasn't wrong, Kid Win wanted to be a hero, and that was in spite of all reason and sense. Fine, I'll be a character witness for Arania, if it comes to that. Only after I get to meet her though, and we can both see how long we can keep her striving towards heroics. We'll detail out a proper introduction later. I'd like to get through the rest of this meeting and start drinking."

"Very well. I don't need, or care to know about, PRT secrets from you. However, in your opinion, would dropping Skidmark and Squealer off at the Toronto PRT facility together be acceptable? I've got them imprisoned separately at present, and need to know about the best way to drop them off to ensure they stay locked up. Alternatively, I could arrange to drop one off at Montreal and the other in Toronto."

She shrugs. "Put a locked helmet on each of them, as well as a thick coat, locked mittens, some restraints and just shove them out of a van as you drive past the building. Unless you get chased by a Mover, that should be enough to get them attention immediately without getting you caught."

"And they'll stay imprisoned?"

"Better odds than if they stay here with whatever dregs are left of their gang desperate to be relevant and powerful again. Up north, or you could do Boston or New York. Anyway, the breakout would be in a form of recruitment from locals, and even then, they wouldn't be coming back in that case."

"That is fine then. I'll make arran-" I'm distracted by an intruder signal going off at my house. "Just a minute please, Ms Piggot."

Pulling up the logs, looks like two people, on the small end of average adult stature. Likely women based on the ongoing refinement of the sonar imaging data.

"Do I need to leave?" Piggot interrupts my thoughts.

I tell Lisa privately, "Thrawn, people just broke into my house." While I'm doing that, I simultaneously tell Piggot, "No, the danger isn't here. It's a place I'm protecting."

"Keep me connected, I'll contact Danny and send some mercs. Might as well keep Piggot in the loop. I think this is something that her hearing about will benefit us. Even if we don't like it overall."

"Some people just broke into the Hebert's house. I'll put my security equipment on broadcast in my lab, though at the moment, they appear to be silently checking for occupants."

"Have you alerted the Heberts?"

"I've alerted Thrawn, he'll contact Mr Hebert."

"You find anything?" Sophia's voice is broadcast into my lab. Piggot and I silently listen.

"No, no food or anything interesting. Anybody upstairs?" And of course, Emma.

"No, or at least they're not in their rooms and I didn't hear anybody. Anyway, we'll be gone quick, I've got to get back before the babies and babysitters start whining. Tagg still isn't willing to move me out from the Wards facilities, so I can't stay out for long."

"You sure you don't want a momento? I mean, it's just tragic after everything that's happened to Taylor, that the house she grew up in burned down. If her friends, her betters, just happened to have a few keepsakes, maybe a picture of her dead mother or something. Well, we could at least tell her that we have it. You know, if she ever really wants it back."

Sophia starts chuckling.

I seal the house, and start charging the doors and walls with electricity. I'm pretty sure overcharging the walls would make them arc internally as long as I cut the grounding cables at the base of the walls, and ground the floor in the center. It'd be like being on the inside of a tesla coil that was on fire.

However, then I'd have to deal with them, which would be even more frustrating if they lived.

Also, heroes don't kill people.

I unseal the house. Being safe and secret is more important than the house. Dad wouldn't want me to risk exposure. They're not worth it. Killing people in revenge is wrong.

"Are the Heberts in there?" Piggot interrupts my thoughts.

"No."

Before I can continue speaking, Sophia speaks again. "Alright, you grab a couple things, and I'll shadow walk the kerosene in."

Piggot continues, "Can you stop them?"

Sophia leaves, in a process that I now recognize as phasing through the door, which is how the pair of them got inside.

I grit my teeth, even as my voice speaks normally. "Would you like me to call the PRT and report it? I'm pretty sure I'm considered an untrustworthy villain. The Heberts aren't exactly valuable people to the PRT anyway. I doubt they'd send anybody, and the fire department likely doesn't have the resources to do more than ensure the building burns safely, assuming they send anybody either."

That at least shuts Piggot up.

Lisa chooses that moment to interject privately. "I've got people leaving in three minutes. Danny is waking up. A second group will be going to pick him up. If you choose to act, let me know."

"Well, Piggot? Thrawn is convinced you have leadership and command ability. Recommendations? I'm leaning towards having Thrawn send a jeep over there. I expect this-"

Sophia cuts me off, unknowingly. "Hey, Survivor, you done?"

"Sure thing, Sophia, I-"

"Hey, no names," Sophia hisses, "there's always a chance of being overheard."

Piggot groans in irritation, rubbing the bridge of her nose with one hand..

"Right. You spread the gas around, I'll unlock the door and light the stove thing. Where'd you get this anyway? It looks like beer can."

"It is a beer can. I took off some fucker that startled me. He didn't need it afterwards."

Emma's huff of derision comes through clear enough.

PIggot gets my attention, "Recluse, I'll go with Thrawn's goons. A house fire might get enough attention for somebody to check. Showing up in a cape costume will attract even more attention than the mercs."

"Fine. You should get going then. Thrawn's people are already loading a van. Although, this is assuming you aren't going to screw me by trying to figure out my lair's location?" I launch squiggles at full speed from my lair, containing an expanding fire suppressant foam. Maybe they'll beat the jeep to my house. I doubt it, but at least it's a backup.

She considers this for a moment, "How much do you know about these arsonists?"

I smirk, behind my mask. "Do you mean that they're two women, one being five foot five, the other, the one referred to as 'Sophia', being five foot six, and that they're likely Emma Barnes and Sophia Hess, the two main tormentors of Taylor Hebert, instrumental in her trigger event. Or that Sophia can shadow walk herself and carried objects, suggesting a parahuman power either similar to Shadow Stalker, or that she may be said cape?"

"I see. What are you going to do with those conclusions?"

"Probably nothing. It's a useful test after all."

"For what?"

I smirk, even though I keep my generated voice at an even level. "To find out what you do about that information and what sort of person you are. If you want to catch the jeep, it's leaving in just over a minute."
 
"Probably nothing. It's a useful test after all."

"For what?"

I smirk, even though I keep my generated voice at an even level. "To find out what you do about that information and what sort of person you are. If you want to catch the jeep, it's leaving in just over a minute."

Well, that's the right move here I think.
And even if Tagg has little responsibility here, it is still him that'll have to shoulder the most of the political fallout here.
 
Well, shit. That was stressful.


I'm fairly sure that Piggot now knows who they trully are.

Possibly, probably even, but A) there's always the plausible deniability that they're just keeping an eye on the only other unaligned camp manager (remember that Danny is publicly the leader of the camp they sent all their people to when the E88 started threatening them, so they already have a link) and B) she also knows that they know who Shadow Stalker is and has some serious dirt on her. That they're trusting HER to not only deal with SS but also to not report Recluse's lair and their identities means she might start to extend some trust back.

I smirk, behind my mask. "Do you mean that they're two women, one being five foot five, the other, the one referred to as 'Sophia', being five foot six, and that they're likely Emma Barnes and Sophia Hess, the two main tormentors of Taylor Hebert, instrumental in her trigger event. Or that Sophia can shadow walk herself and carried objects, suggesting a parahuman power either similar to Shadow Stalker, or that she may be said cape?"

Looking at this again, Recluse might have just outed herself, since IIRC there's no prior proof that Taylor Hebert ever triggered, and she just told Piggot that Taylor triggered at the hands of Emma and Sophia, something that's unlikely to be shared outside of a tight confidence. From the sounds of it, she did so intentionally as a Quid Pro Quo on Shadow Stalker's identity.
 
Looking at this again, Recluse might have just outed herself, since IIRC there's no prior proof that Taylor Hebert ever triggered, and she just told Piggot that Taylor triggered at the hands of Emma and Sophia, something that's unlikely to be shared outside of a tight confidence. From the sounds of it, she did so intentionally as a Quid Pro Quo on Shadow Stalker's identity.

The PRT has been aware of Taylor's trigger since she was run over by a truck.
 
I seriously start to think that tinker Taylor is best Taylor^^. And is also nice that this world don't hit her harder than the rest of the people.

And yeah they are moving the missile Piggot to the right direction. One that helped her losing her job, is a acceptable target to her wraith and justice. Even better Piggot at this moment don't need to follow a protocol.

And seriously this tinker Taylor is best Taylor. She didn't needed to be the best person, I mean who would not want retribution for a moment if people that hate you (and you dislike) decide to burn your house, take trophies And burn what remains of your dead parent memories for a 'joke'.
 
Emma and Sophia don't have anything better to do than keep trying to hurt Taylor even as the city's limping back to its feet, huh? Well, if they're looking for trouble, it'll find them.

If Arana did have to go to the PRT after something happened to Taylor, would she have to reveal her identity? I wouldn't expect her to keep playing C53/Changer forever.

Piggot actually flinches as I flail some of my arms in frustration.
It's the little details. Wacky wavy Taylor arms forever!:lol:
 
From the sounds of it, she did so intentionally as a Quid Pro Quo on Shadow Stalker's identity.
Are you seriously suggesting that this version of Taylor is that socially aware? If that interpretation of their conversation is the actual scenario, she only arrived at it via the same idiot-savant ability that let her finesse the introductory conversation with Purity.
 
One thing that I though strange was that Taylor either have a place for visitor or I am remember wrong a comment that her dad did about lairs? anyway give the amount of people that goes there she probable have chairs for other people. But was a nice touch to see Taylor using the arm as a chair^^.
edit: now that I think this again the bullies will get a 'extra angry' piggot for other reasons too. I mean she got her ptsd trigged and was in a eccentric tinker lair before listen too all that stupid things the bullies said.
 
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