Eh. Worse case scenario is Riley gets involved. Since she was capable of making the Slaughterhouse 9000 in Canon, and given Taylor's fugue abilities in addition, I shall hold out hope that our friend isn't lost yet.
Eh. Worse case scenario is Riley gets involved. Since she was capable of making the Slaughterhouse 9000 in Canon, and given Taylor's fugue abilities in addition, I shall hold out hope that our friend isn't lost yet.
BerserkerZeroOne
(Unexploded Supernova)
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Siberian had her body turn into a plant-like being and her brain was superfluous and so her fathers Snark took it on and used it as his projections control interface.
Whereas the Ward retained her human form but gained an aversion to natural fibres and colder temperature And her snark had swapped parts with nearby snarks to fix the holes it had in it's ability to connect properly to the host species and after learning what the host species is supposed to be from BA and Shaper.
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Also one of Grammes kids under Jakobs care now has a snark specifically to enable others to fugue.
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Pffft. @CmptrWz and @mp3.1415player are not the same person! Just because both of them troll people all the time and have super-long stories is not enough evidence! ;-P
I think.
I mean, next thing you'll suggest is that @Ack is the same person too! Proof! Most of of the latter's stories aren't as long, just there's a whole lot of them.
Wait.
Now I'm half-convinced of it myself...
kip
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I really have to agree that Tayor's reaction to Carlos dying seems... very off. If it's shock that's one thing. but if she keeps getting these weird reactions to people she's supposed to be close to dying, then that development would be very concerning.
Ace Dreamer
Verified Reality User
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Probably depends on how long he's been dead for, and whether they chilled his body. Based on recent research, and the way people have been revived after many hours with no heart beat, maybe. I think a combination of luck, and whether it suits the story, will rule things.
Please note, if Taylor's been told he's dead then they were likely pretty sure - doesn't mean his power can't pull a Lazarus on him, though. In RL people have 'died' of things like the flu, been put in cool caves (particularly in epidemics), then revived later, and lived a full life.
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Weighing in on the "Oh, Carlos died. That's sad." reaction: Taylor's brain is more
Part of what this all means is that Taylor is likely to have very muted emotional responses to most things for a variety of reasons with the most likely main reason being that BA is 'suppressing' the more negative reactions so she can just get on with the finding creative solutions to novel problems and providing that prime [Data].
So, really, Taylor not having a very strong reaction to finding out someone she knows died is very in-line with what we've been told so far.
Edit: Added in Helvetia helping out. (Note: helping and not halping as this fandom is fond of using.)
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Hmm.
So the question is, are we in Endgame mode? I'm going to make the argument that no, we might not be. (I've tried to read recent CW responses, but don't @ me if I missed something.)
So what we have here is a very slowly progressing "Slice of Life" story in a hyperdramatic setting. While I have no idea how ComptrWz outlines it for himself, I would organize it thusly:
Oh, and speaking of Abbadon, that presents the possibility of double-layered thematic repetition:
4. Taylor becomes a Jabberwock-level badass.
Be a hell of a thing if it can scale that far. "Mauling Snarks", indeed.
Or maybe I'm completely misreading, this will get tied up in 40 chapters (it's CW) and then HH:ES will shift into top gear.
So the question is, are we in Endgame mode? I'm going to make the argument that no, we might not be. (I've tried to read recent CW responses, but don't @ me if I missed something.)
So what we have here is a very slowly progressing "Slice of Life" story in a hyperdramatic setting. While I have no idea how ComptrWz outlines it for himself, I would organize it thusly:
- Taylor gets powers (snark-level attention)
- Taylor learns about her powers
- Life with powers
- Getting clever with powers
- Taylor becomes an outed badass (Butcher scenario)
- Taylor learns about being an outed Badass (and eventually Amy too)
- Life as an outed badass
- Getting clever with being an outed badass
- Taylor gets Jabberwock-level attention
- (Taylor learns about Jabberwock-level stuff)
Oh, and speaking of Abbadon, that presents the possibility of double-layered thematic repetition:
4. Taylor becomes a Jabberwock-level badass.
Be a hell of a thing if it can scale that far. "Mauling Snarks", indeed.
Or maybe I'm completely misreading, this will get tied up in 40 chapters (it's CW) and then HH:ES will shift into top gear.
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Tin Mother
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... I would like to point out the following to all the people who seem to believe that Carlos has died...Please allow me to briefly rephrase that for folks who don't quite grok contractions.
"She HAD NOT heard that he'd died."
This basically means that she only heard that he had a heart attack.
Now, I suppose it's possible that in some remote, or less fortunate, locations of the world a heart attack would be guaranteed fatal.
However Carlos is known to be located in the United States. Even by terrible Earth Bet standards the US is still a mostly First World Country and medical help for things like heart attacks is not very far away.
If you don't especially believe me I would like to direct your collective attention to an article from Harvard Medical School about How Heart Attacks Became Less Deadly.
EDIT: Ok, before it gets pointed out to me I will admit that the entire paragraph is a bit more ambiguous about his death than my first read through had me thinking. It does seem to imply that he may have died however it can be interpreted either way. I await verification in story or by WOG.
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FaerieKnight79
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The heart attack is what killed him. As far as Taylor knew, until the news broadcast, Carlos was 100% fine, awake, and walking around. His powers just hadn't come back online yet. She's been rather busy since she first woke up after all, and hadn't had a chance to check in with the other wards yet.
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Actually, he got transferred out back in chapter 166. Presumably wherever he landed also had good medical care, but it doesn't look like it was said where he got transferred to.
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I don't think I'd go quite to that extreme level, but something that comes out in rereading the whole story is that a lot of interactions and reactions are the interactions and the reactions of the snarks. While the whole Taylor Thesis bit was nominally about her proving that hosts affect Snarks as well, it is a subtle way of emphasizing to the reader just how much the snarks drive the human interactions. Vicky nearly kills Taylor - not because she wants to, but because the snark pushes that aggression. Lung is a relatively nice local warlord - but his hyperaggressive snark drives him to extreme combat. Most of New Wave are boring middleburbia but they get urges.
And yeah, Taylor has noted multiple times that BA is manipulating her to keep her on an even keel. That doesn't make her more shard than human, but it does mean that you have to parse her emotional levels with some interpretation.
Also, how well did she really know Carlos? Losing a yearlong(?) classmate sucks, but even in this kinder, gentler worm setting the parahuman death rate has to be pretty high.
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From personal experience I can tell you just how much jack shit that counts for.However Carlos is known to be located in the United States. Even by terrible Earth Bet standards the US is still a mostly First World Country and medical help for things like heart attacks is not very far away.
FaerieKnight79
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Exactly. Survival if you have a heart attack depends greatly on how early it can be detected. However it sounds like his heart attack was caused by an adaptation made previously due to an injured heart which only worked when his powers were active. And without that adaptation working, his heart simply couldn't handle the load at all.
Tin Mother
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Please note I'm not claiming that nobody ever dies of a heart attack in America. I'm just saying it's survivable and the chances of surviving it are greater being in a major North American city vs being in a Canoe somewhere in the Amazon River Basin.
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- Montana
I've heard it before. Can't say if its a NE or a Western thing though. Maybe just a teen thing too.
Ace Dreamer
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You're going to need a lot better tech to pull-off a much better chance of survival - would you want to wear 'smart clothes', that talk to your cell/mobile phone, and do their best to help you in a medical emergency?Please note I'm not claiming that nobody ever dies of a heart attack in America. I'm just saying it's survivable and the chances of surviving it are greater being in a major North American city vs being in a Canoe somewhere in the Amazon River Basin.
Definitely a step up from robot trousers...
(no pun intended)
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FaerieKnight79
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Even minor research shows that entirely dependent on when treatment is sought the survival rate for a heart attack can be as high as 96% or as low as 30%. Carlos however had the problem of his heart was incapable of pumping enough blood due to damage and the power assisted work around being disabled. Even if he had been in a hospital at the time, which he might not have been, and had cardiac specialists on hand at that exact moment... his survival chance was probably very very low.
LostArchivist
Sane, unfortunately.
- Location
- The State of Confusion
And also says disturbing things about how Tinkertech works. A bit too on the nose of, say, the Mass Relays for me to be entirely comfortable...
Ooh boy. That's going to be a lot of "fun." Things are about to get rather pear-shaped...
When did he die?!
That seems like an oversight. Why would the Enemy not use the codes of the dead Originator, then?
*opens door*
"You have a *twitch* visitaaaaaaah *thud*."
"This is my life now."
[SALUTATIONS.]
Uh, yay?
WHAT THE UTTER HELL WERE THESE PEOPLE DOING?!
*Screams incoherently and hides behind the nearest brown dwarf*
...Don't tell me the previous one had Cave Johnson in it...
That or it was one of Meep's stories. SYS Admin actually did that, come to think of it...
He's absolutely right that no one would expect it. It might be because it's insane, but no one would expect it.
Whoever gets that Shard later will be very confused.
{Cease} will also probably be all bent out of shape again, too...
I have this strange desire to find out that it was actually hilariously effective and takes longer to clean up than some of the theoretically easier things.
Well, he's right...
Ah, that answers my question.
I still can't tell who's the worse influence, though--her or BA.
The Butcher again? Why do I feel as if this may have also somehow been Taylor's fault?
I suspect they figured it was best not to ask, for fear that the overly obvious may cause eye damage.
Again, this does not necessarily make me feel better about the Troubleshooters...
Although apparently they have quite the sense of humor at our expense.
And that Eidolon is a better man, although I'm not sure it was wise to completely retire. That seems like he's compensating again.
Well, shit.
...Alexandria, is that you?
hmm. If Sibirians human form is reset, but manton's snark has her brain.
Weirdest outcome would Dual body? Sibirian wakes up in her original human body, sans power (responsible snark disconnected), but when manton power activates, her perception splits to occupy that body to? would that be enough for her to trigger again, if she had the capacity to do so?
Weirdest outcome would Dual body? Sibirian wakes up in her original human body, sans power (responsible snark disconnected), but when manton power activates, her perception splits to occupy that body to? would that be enough for her to trigger again, if she had the capacity to do so?
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Chapter 177.
Where on earth did you get that idea? I don't remember anything at all like that in this story.
Link?
No plant-sourced materials more than anything else. Leather is perfectly fine, for example.
Sadly, those who die while their powers are offline will not recover.
Carlos was a classmate and coworker for around six months, but she didn't really interact with him much outside of those contexts. Why do people expect her to be close to him?
I'm honestly not that close to people that I've worked with for literally years.
I have no clue what you think is an oversight. "Let's not include the potentially compromised access codes when resetting all permissions due to things having been compromised." is what's happening...
kip
Legion of Badassitude Member #24601
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From rereading it at least for me, I thought the timeframe was more along the lines of a year to a year and 1/2. And since the work the wards do (even in this lighter version of BB) fits along the lines of a police force or military unit, people in those situations can get real close in 6 months even. but I can see the logic here. thanks for the explanation Wiz.
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FaerieKnight79
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She didn't exactly spend much time other then patrolling with Carlos. She spent more time with Kid Win, Clockblocker, and Vista.