- Location
- Wherever I feel like being
- Pronouns
- He/Him
... fucking hell.
- Location
- Germany
Drain to 0, DoS attack, overload communications between shards gathered by the Butcher, break apart their network, last resort explode the snark itself...
If Quarrel hopes to attack Riley in Las Vegas, she'll regret it.
If Quarrel hopes to attack Riley in Las Vegas, she'll regret it.
FaerieKnight79
Verified Pixie
- Location
- The Internet
Wouldn't that require the Butcher to know that Bonesaw will be in Vegas?
FaerieKnight79
Verified Pixie
- Location
- The Internet
Probably, she did have her tinkertech connections tested by 5 year old children. Amusingly it was the adults who couldn't figure things out.
Gold, Comedy Gold!
The Teeth in Mauling Snarks
The Teeth as an organization have benefited from the knowledge of previous holders of the Butcher's powers. Specifically, the few Heroes that have killed a previous Butcher.
The visible portion of the Teeth appears to be a small number of cells. Boston, New York, a roving cell or two. Large enough to be a threat, small enough to be largely left alone.
The support portion of the Teeth is a much larger network of cells, spread all over the country. These cells do information gathering, recruiting, training, etc, all under banners that are not the Teeth. They do not act like the visible cells and in many cases are apparently operating in direct opposition to at least one other cell.
Each cell has a non-Butcher leader that oversees things day to day. Even the ones that operate as "the Teeth". These leaders form the Council. Under normal circumstances the Butcher is the overall leader. Their word is law. Their word set this entire system up, in fact. The Council exists to serve the Butcher.
But, to the Teeth, having the Butcher's powers does not make someone the Butcher.
In the event that there is no recognized Butcher for any reason, the Council is to maintain the status quo to the best of their abilities and be ready to acknowledge or test the next Butcher. They are not empowered to do anything else.
To be recognized as the Butcher by the Teeth you need to gain the Butcher's powers in the correct way, or otherwise get the approval of the previous Butchers and pass the Council's test.
Proper ways to gain the Butcher's powers include:
In the case of Quarrel, the Council has provided a list of three parahumans, and only one of them has to be challenged to a fair fight that Quarrel has to win. There is a time limit, but concessions have been made for circumstances outside of Quarrel's control. The time limit is reasonable, the list does not appear to contain parahumans that should give too much trouble. It is, in fact, a test of 'can you still fight?' more than anything else, as Quarrel has been a decent Butcher up until the incident with the Nine. If the answer is yes then Quarrel will be recognized as the Butcher once more. If the answer is no then Quarrel will either be dead, or will have lost the final chance that the previous Butchers are offering and be driven insane.
That the Council has basically set up a situation where the victor of the fight between Quarrel and her chosen target would, by their own rules, be recognized as the Butcher is an entirely different issue. One that has not come up before, because in a situation like this no Butcher has lost before, and they keep getting more dangerous.
The visible portion of the Teeth appears to be a small number of cells. Boston, New York, a roving cell or two. Large enough to be a threat, small enough to be largely left alone.
The support portion of the Teeth is a much larger network of cells, spread all over the country. These cells do information gathering, recruiting, training, etc, all under banners that are not the Teeth. They do not act like the visible cells and in many cases are apparently operating in direct opposition to at least one other cell.
Each cell has a non-Butcher leader that oversees things day to day. Even the ones that operate as "the Teeth". These leaders form the Council. Under normal circumstances the Butcher is the overall leader. Their word is law. Their word set this entire system up, in fact. The Council exists to serve the Butcher.
But, to the Teeth, having the Butcher's powers does not make someone the Butcher.
In the event that there is no recognized Butcher for any reason, the Council is to maintain the status quo to the best of their abilities and be ready to acknowledge or test the next Butcher. They are not empowered to do anything else.
To be recognized as the Butcher by the Teeth you need to gain the Butcher's powers in the correct way, or otherwise get the approval of the previous Butchers and pass the Council's test.
Proper ways to gain the Butcher's powers include:
- Challenging the leadership of the current Butcher and winning
- Delivering the killing blow on a crazed not-Butcher
- Being challenged by the current Butcher and winning
- Managing the Teeth so poorly as to start causing the entire organization problems
- Refusing to accept challenges for leadership by others after your first year, though challenges have their own rules and you won't get in trouble for refusing to accept those that don't follow those rules
- Issuing challenges in excess as an excuse to kill members of the Teeth
- Being humiliated to the point where the Teeth can no longer respect you
In the case of Quarrel, the Council has provided a list of three parahumans, and only one of them has to be challenged to a fair fight that Quarrel has to win. There is a time limit, but concessions have been made for circumstances outside of Quarrel's control. The time limit is reasonable, the list does not appear to contain parahumans that should give too much trouble. It is, in fact, a test of 'can you still fight?' more than anything else, as Quarrel has been a decent Butcher up until the incident with the Nine. If the answer is yes then Quarrel will be recognized as the Butcher once more. If the answer is no then Quarrel will either be dead, or will have lost the final chance that the previous Butchers are offering and be driven insane.
That the Council has basically set up a situation where the victor of the fight between Quarrel and her chosen target would, by their own rules, be recognized as the Butcher is an entirely different issue. One that has not come up before, because in a situation like this no Butcher has lost before, and they keep getting more dangerous.
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- Море песка, солнце огня и множество злых сарацин
Win XP was very nice, Vista was OK (I particularly liked the widget sidebar), Win 7 was nice but not quite as nice as XP, and I agree that Win 8 kind of sucked. Never tried Win 10.
And I would have commented on something else, but, sadly, this happened to be the only post I wanted to reply to. So there would be nothing from me on this particular derail as well (until or unless it either becomes relevant to the story, or I would need to refute a particularly egregiously incorrect statement directly relating to my comment; not sure which possibility is less implausible).
It's something that I have no real-world example of. It's next chapter anyway, so you'll see it soon enough.
I've elaborated on this in the informational threadmark I posted.
And this should also be covered in said informational threadmark.
Interesting theory as to the contents of the list. Interesting indeed.
That assumes, of course, that Quarrel attacks anyone in Las Vegas, right? She has 30 days...
FaerieKnight79
Verified Pixie
- Location
- The Internet
But of course, if The Butcher runs into Taylor, then it's possible that Quarrel will lose, but not die. And possibly be prevented from being driven insane by the previous Butchers. At which point, what would the Teeth's council do?
- Location
- Launceston, Tasmania
I don't think you can call donuts and snack food a resource even if TV Vista hogs them...
FaerieKnight79
Verified Pixie
- Location
- The Internet
Richardson
CAN YOU HEAR THE PEOPLE SING?
- Location
- Yes
Interesting theory as to the contents of the list. Interesting indeed.
The most logical targets are the three of the nine involved in humiliating her. Given one is the Siberian, and the other is HAPPY FUN FIRE, the one that isn't an unstobbable fire/rage monster is the most likely target. Targeting Maul is just a dangerously stupid idea, given her extremely favored status with the PRT and the fact that she can theoretically act as an Endbringer warning system (making targeting her deliberately for death a stupid idea) and all the rumors that she can bring the Grassman to heel (Absolutely accurate) floating around...
It'd be a really stupid move that would paint a 'Nine us until we DIE' target on the Teeth's back. Provided Taylor's... friends? Acquaintances? Unknowing Hyperpower Rival Frienemies, that's it. They would probably object to having their new favorite troll-toy being killed by an out of control snark, especially given she made it more fun last time.
Jordisk
<Unverified N00B>
- Location
- Blind Eternities
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Meh, she can take her.
In all seriousness, I can picture Taylor becoming the next Butcher by being forced to, or accidentally, killing Quarrel, and browbeating the past Butchers into submission with the power of Administration. Either that, or blowing up the Butcher shard. It is truly unfortunate that "everyone is saner and more competent" applies to Villains and Villainous Organizations as well. Those Teeth are really well organized compared to "berserkers following a crazier berserker, often with fetishes for violence and blood".
Also, who is the Grassman? I am guessing Eidolon, but that makes even less sense than Taylor Varga's Mr. Foot (End of a Leg, LegEnd).
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FaerieKnight79
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- Location
- The Internet
Say it aloud with me, "Ei-do-lon", aka "Aye-da-lawn", aka "Grassman".
Czlyydwr Llrngwl
"Sell ya a door Learn gull," Czly/Celly for short
- Location
- Where the Beef is
- Pronouns
- Any
Grassman = "I da lawn," though apparently it's supposed to be pronounced "ay da lun."
I think it's also from Taylor varga - Eidolon, I-da-lawn... geddit?
I wonder if Taylor can talk to the previous butchers?
- Location
- Denmark
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Yeah. That conversation with Taylor, as Kaiju, didn't exactly go as planned for Eidolon. He went all "fight me you beast, for I am stupid and need a brain transplant through my ass" and Taylor shot him down rather quickly by changing the air he breathed to something a bit more non-airy.
Nice to see Eidolon being not as stupid here as he is over in Taylor Varga.
Nice to see Eidolon being not as stupid here as he is over in Taylor Varga.
I'd guess they were just incredibly concerned with liability issues and having learned behaviors about pissy tinkers being pissed for them "missing the obvious way of handling it". Now that it's actually obvious they don't want to touch the tinker tech least they somehow manage to do something wrong, even when it looks simple. Because experience tells them it isn't, even if it actually is this time.Love the fact that Dragon DID check out the difficulties. With 5yr-olds. Who were given candy as a reward. Kid Win is probably correct that the adult failure is caused by not offering candy.
I'm lost on this tolerance testing thing.
Trouble with Butcher is NOT going to be good. Although, I'm hoping that Maul MIGHT be able to help Quarrel turn the "council" into an ADVISORY council instead of a RULING council.
On other subjects, the "prank" they are playing on Vicky is rather crossing from mean spirited but within the bounds of tolerance to actually horrible and abusive. They going to drive her insane it this rate, and this is not figure of speech.
- Location
- Not where I want to be
Is the Simurgh that kind on this Earth? I mean, working GPS on any Earth Bet is kinda surprising.
Huh, I always thought it was pronounced normally ("I-doh-len"), but I guess not even Eidolon himself knows how to pronounce his own name, lol.
The simurgh doesn't want people getting off the planet, so she may leave satellites alone.
possibly, or more likely Microsoft would have found a different name for it.
Jadesteele
Out of my Mind - Back in 5 Minutes
- Location
- half-way between 'Crazy' And 'Eccentric'
I was going to make a reference to Dragon reading the evil overlord list here, but once again faerieknight Ninja's first. ironically, I just started watching the first season of Overlord on youtube, and can just imagine Dragon having a set of Alberdo's armor for cosplay.
Anyway, does anyone else think that that list might have TAYLOR on it as one of the three - after all, nothing said that the three designated targets had to be anywhere near vagas...