Mandat de l'impératrice des Cieux - Imperial Princess Troubleshooter Space Opera Quest
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Well, if you think about it Yui doesn't have adequate reasons. She could have dispatched a few Cruisers to jam and investigate about as well.
As I understand it the reason was that Yui knew she was about to lose her command and wanted to have them together for the jaunt. There doesn't appear, as per Yui's super politics talent, a good way to explain things in that light. It's either spin sideways concerns that will probably tick off Uncle Johnny, or retreat behind Ahri's authority.
On the somewhat brighter side, even if the Navy is ticked with us Ahri won't be. And Yui is spending more time keeping track of the young Empress than commanding fleets. It might be worthwhile to think about what Kanda would be happier with. ('happier', would he prefer to be stabbed or to be dropped off in the middle of nowhere?)
Always Late
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Yes please, the more fanatics we have on our side the better.
Honestly, if we set up a meeting between Ahri and a few key IRG members, plus some stealthy observation of daily routine, they'll be much more inclined to see how mentally vulnerable Ahri is and how she's put us as a key pillar of stability. I doubt that'll assuage their concerns of us manipulating her, and I value loyal dissent enough that, if this situation came about, I wouldn't want them to stop telling us when they think we're abusing our position.
But hey, maybe I'm just too busy laughing at the mental image of US Marines breaching a room screaming "IN THE NAME OF THE DAUGHTERU GET DOWN ON THE GROUND!"
... jesus christ, her poor liver.
And people keep telling me Kantai Collection is more lewd than Azure Lane.
I get the feeling you're about to regret those words.
Whelp. I was right. Hope nobody notices us walking funny for a few days.
So... any chance we can restock that as a resource, or is that it?
Daaaaaaaw. It's a sad, but still daaw.
... actually, can we get Ahri in front of Kanda in private too?
Whelp. Here we go.
... those aren't normal Navy Ensigns. Hell, I don't think those are Navy people at all!
Aaaand here we go.
I think I know why Kanda is having a minor panic attack: He's done everything but launch the nukes. He's already committed treason. He's made countless secret plans for every possible command and noble house making certain moves in the Empire's disintegration. He's made preparations to move against us as a puppetmistress to the Empress, and he's now put his head in the mouth of the wolf. I think those two Ensigns out there are actually bodyguards from the nobility meant to extract him if he hits a silent panic button. The man is paranoid almost to the point of mental illness, and now he's pushing the limit. His mind has got to be running a mile a second with all the possible ways he can die, he can kill them, how he can get out, and all the possible ways the empire breaks down from that point forward.
He's psyching himself up for taking another step towards no-return. And praying the tells he left in the fleet, like the signatures not completely matching, don't get brought up.
small correction, piracy not oiracy, but it's telling Kanda's mental state is torn by his verbal stumbling. He is not ready to fire the first shot, but he's decided on an action that while remains in the legitimate command structure still constitutes one.
Well, we do have an opportunity to put all cards on the table.
Kanda just fucked up big time. You don't act like a child, and you certainly don't act like you're more upset about your piddling little authority being overruled than an illegal operation. That's obviously not what Kanda's upset about, but unless this is all some 4-D chess master manipulation of acting he just gave up every ground but the base facts. If it weren't for the whole battleship thing, Kanda would have been thrown out on his ear by now.
While Whiskey's spent quite a bit of time explaining the downsides to the choice we made, the positives didn't quite get the same attention: One, we had legitimate evidence to suggest the PMC was funneling military weapons to pirates, and we put the fear of fluffy tails into you. 13th Fleet's purpose is to bring around firepower that no Core system can match. We run what's supposed to be the biggest swinging dick in the room, or spread tails in this case, and we used the fleet like it was supposed to be. And as for evidence?
We were acting under evidence that there was Sumeragi Shenanigans going on, and a PMC in question was potentially passing military equipment to pirates. We had a warrant, all filled in nice and neat with crossed Ts and dotted Is. The PMC didn't happen to be doing that particular bit of ill-deeds, just having the poor paperwork that covers up said ill-deeds out of laziness. And while we found some Sumeragi cozying up to the local government, we didn't get enough before 4th Fleet came storming in.
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I think the ruling Imperial Regent going out on a drunken bender would get noticed, so no, we will not be going on a spree, Konnie. We could do to find a discreet lover for stress relief, though. Boozahol we can do ourself.
Ouch... Ahri needs lots of support. It's not you, kiddo. It's your parents being well-meaning fuckups.
missing a 'p', I think.
He's paranoid that we're starting a coup, and he thinks he's the only honest man left to defend the Empire. He's also a friend, and we're never going to get a better chance to explain things and possibly get him on-team for 'Support Ahri, Save The Empire' than right now, when it's just us and Chew in a room, two people he used to trust. So we tell him what was going on, why we did it, and as much as possible still stay discreet about Ahri's condition and inexperience. We can, and possibly should raise the idea of him getting an appointment to speak with the Empress herself, to allay his concerns at least some.
Worst case, we tell Ahri at that meeting that Chew and Kanda are two people to lean on if something happens to us.
[X] Disclose.
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There's a moratorium, your vote won't be counted. I agree though.
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Buh, he said that 'yesterday at 7:28pm', but I forgot it's after midnight, and that's 8 hours ago, not a day.
Whiskey Golf
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Yessssss, yesssss, the discussion pleases me,
Voting opens in 4 hours time at 1pm Malaysia time, GMT+8, btw, so, none of yours votings is counted, at this point.
Voting opens in 4 hours time at 1pm Malaysia time, GMT+8, btw, so, none of yours votings is counted, at this point.
Always Late
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I wouldn't say he thinks he's alone. Rather, he can't be sure who he can trust. Key difference, he's made plans based on different people pulling the trigger and being loyalists.
Agreed.
And that's the one way this can all go wrong: can we fix that broken trust and draw 4th fleet to our corner, or is Kanda going to just push us away?
Yeeees, good, good, more servants for the Woobie Side.
Whiskey Golf
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Maggie: "I can take them, EZ 1v2,
"You have zero paperwork of your own. All you have is your word that you were operating under the Verbal Orders of the Empress.
The problem, however, is that paperwork misfiling is not illegal, and hammering VSS for that would be a little hypocritical given the Navy's own failings,
And our own intelligence gathering showed that this wasn't a Sumeragi landgrab:
This jaunt to Egon was predicated on the PMC there being up to hanky panky and Sumeragi moving to do a landgrab. Instead we harassed a PMC that was doing their job in someone else's house for no good reason, and we didn't find any evidence of a Sumeragi landgrab: the Sumeragi present was there because she's a corporate exec representing the chaebol that the Earl of Egon wants to do business with.
We have no smoking guns. Something to keep in mind: Yui's position is pretty shaky herself.
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Whiskey Golf
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Also btw the story update has been updated with an image link for the First Star Lord and Chief of the Naval Staff, Fleet Admiral Duchess Elizabeth Georgina Hood, Duchess of Clydebank.
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*thinks*...
So here's what I'm thinking: How bad would it be if Ahri DID do this?
I mean, yeah eet's bad, but I'm thinking given Yui's hanging close to Ahri, and Ahri being newb it might be mitigatable. Versus what happens if Yui gets shot.
[X] Disclose.
I think it being an Ahri screw-up is less damaging for us then it being Yui's screw-up. Because as I see it...
Ahri's derped before, and this should, by the dates, be something that I think can be bundled into that earlier derp- Ahri really isn't used to the power, and Yui hanging around Ahri will work to show that Ahri will improve.
If Yui takes heat things get scary real quick, because power behind the throne is a place, and it also means basically having to perform an assassination or coup on the imperial palace.
So here's what I'm thinking: How bad would it be if Ahri DID do this?
I mean, yeah eet's bad, but I'm thinking given Yui's hanging close to Ahri, and Ahri being newb it might be mitigatable. Versus what happens if Yui gets shot.
[X] Disclose.
I think it being an Ahri screw-up is less damaging for us then it being Yui's screw-up. Because as I see it...
Ahri's derped before, and this should, by the dates, be something that I think can be bundled into that earlier derp- Ahri really isn't used to the power, and Yui hanging around Ahri will work to show that Ahri will improve.
If Yui takes heat things get scary real quick, because power behind the throne is a place, and it also means basically having to perform an assassination or coup on the imperial palace.
Always Late
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I am always going to be excited by those little superscript words.Maggie: "I can take them, EZ 1v2, mou man tai( no worries) .
If Kadan tries to play that to the hilt, he's foisting his own petard if his own triple-ish-size fleet gets discovered and he knows it.
I was speaking metaphorically.
This is, forgive me for being blunt, nothing that should be abnormal to any kind of investigative or law enforcement background. At least for an American native.
You get a case, you manage to put together enough evidence to justify a warrant, you go to the place to do the investigating the warrant says you asked to do, and you either find what you were hoping to find or you don't. In this case, we got the case from Ahri and a blank warrant. We did preliminary investigation, we got enough evidence to justify checking things out, and we filled in the blanks of the warrant based on the evidence we had at the time, we went in per the warrant, and the investigation dead-ended. No PMC grey market arms deals, no Sumeragi seduction.
If you want to say we have no smoking gun, what we did have was records of 911 calls at the relevant time saying they thought they heard gunshots... that turned out to be firecrackers.
ckk185
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From the equivalent of fox thot 4 chan?
Always Late
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We did investigation after Ahri told us to look, then went out with the fleet. That's what the quote I showed proves.
ckk185
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Except well the whole instigation of the investigation was a farce and Yui went in with the fleet equivalent of a FBI hostage rescue team
Always Late
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Like I said:
We had enough evidence to justify going in. If getting a verbal order from the Empress isn't enough to justify an office investigation or what we did dig up shouldn't have been enough to justify a fleet getting sent out... well, don't hate the player hate the dictator.
ckk185
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Your empress is a 14 year old who got spooked by the setting's equivalent of QAnon. I mean sure you can pass the buck to her and blame her for starting everything.
But remember. You are the one who chose to go in loaded for bear and spook everyone else.
Whiskey Golf
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I kinda feel like there's a difference between SWAT getting called out for a what was ultimately a false alarm, and 2nd Fleet (North Atlantic) sending multiple carrier battlegroups to do factfinding in Yokohama, in 7th Fleet (Western Pacific)'s AO.
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Always Late
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Dial the salt back a bit, OK? Neither of us participated in that vote, so you don't even have that excuse to get snippy.
The difference in scale is accepted... but it's not an unequal metaphor. The law enforcement and investigation mission being given to 2nd Fleet as a doctrine means it goes after stuff that sounds like it's worth a CBG or two. Yes, it's prone to over-commitment, but that's the accepted price for having such great force applied.I kinda feel like there's a difference between SWAT getting called out for a what was ultimately a false alarm, and 2nd Fleet (North Atlantic) sending multiple carrier battlegroups to do factfinding in Yokohama, in 7th Fleet (Western Pacific)'s AO.
ckk185
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I'm not the one justifying myself here am I? I don't vote here for a very good reason.
Always Late
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... eh? I just said I wasn't part of the people who made or voted for the plan that won, the hell are you talking about?
Whiskey Golf
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You do realise that the USN doesn't just throw CVBGs at all problems right?
There's that whole concept of escalation of force, of assigning the right level of force to the problem... you don't see the USN throwing CVBGs at piracy suppression. Ok, so they use billion dollar AAW CGs and DDGs instead, but that's because the US is pay to win and uses what other nations call flagships as escorts (Also because the USN kinda forgot to build lighter combatants for a few decades. What is a balanced fleet mix for 200 dollars, Alex. )I feel like I'm kinda belaboring this point, but I also don't want people to say that I let the players mislead themselves...
The smoking gun I'm talking about, that would have shored up Yui's position, would have been clearcut proof of a Sumeragi landgrab and said PMC supporting said landgrab or selling off their equipment to pirates (or other various doubletiming shenanigans). If we had that, that would have been justifiable for the level of force we took. We didn't get that. We found a system ruler negotiating with a megacorp for foreign capital investment and giving him the base for economic and industrial expansion, that's not illegal. We found a PMC that was doing its job keeping the system secure against pirates. Meanwhile we rolled in with 25 ships, which was like massive overkill. Yes, those ships were used on piracy suppression, which is all fine and well, but that doesn't wipe away the fact that holy shit a warfleet showed up out of nowhere and randomly invaded a system - to an outside party, our actions look pretty sketchy. Which Yui admits herself:
I feel like acting as if Kanda is the only person in the wrong here is ignoring the optics of Yui's actions - especially because if you choose the Obfuscate option, then the whole justification of Verbal Orders of the Empress goes away. To return to your law enforcement analogy, if you Obfuscate, it's like you have a warrant, but you're not showing it to anybody or telling anybody about it. A SWAT raid starts looking a lot less justifiable to the outside parties after that...
the tl;dr of your warrant analogy is basically arguing for the Disclose option, isn't it?
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ckk185
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Then why are you the one one arguing that those specific actions are justified?
Always Late
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So I'm not allowed to argue in favor of something unless I voted for it? In that case, thank you for your time ckk185. I will be speaking with the person who doesn't think anybody should participate in quests unless they were there day one.
Don't call me, I'll call you.
I'm not saying Kanda's wrong in calling BS on we sent an invasion force without telling him. It's what both sides know happened. But as Kanda's so anxious about all the time... he doesn't know what we know, just as we don't know what he knows. And it's why I think Obfuscate's a bad idea. What we know from the preliminary investigation takes this from 'firing squad' to 'fuck's sake, don't do this shit again'.