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- Canada
Where are you getting this from? The Musketeer Knights are the princesses royal guards, lack mages, and are made up of more women than men.
Despite the medieval setting, gender equality is a thing in Halkegenia.
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Mana Based System - FoZ/Gamer
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Where are you getting this from? The Musketeer Knights are the princesses royal guards, lack mages, and are made up of more women than men.
Despite the medieval setting, gender equality is a thing in Halkegenia.
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- Yes
No basis for it, just suggesting possible explanations for the canon contradiction between Karin not being caught out and the images of how she dressed.
Which makes Karin pretending to be a guy make even less sense.
P.S - Nitpick: the setting is mostly Early Modern, not Medieval.
if a Square class mage says that they are a man whos brave enough to argue?
Non-canon. It's the old "conflating a hatred of war and mental scars from it with PTSD" thing.
As apparently it's the only kind of mental baggage you can get from serving in a war, and the only way a soldier can not be super gung ho about military service, the military itself and war itself is if they have PTSD.
I think you're putting more thought into this than the author did. Pretty sure the thought there was "time for some cross dressing hijinks and yuri in my fanservice series". Karin passed as a man for the same reason James can pass as a woman in Pokémon. Even in a bikini.
I know this is Sufficient Velocity
*That's what I get for jumping back and forth between tabs too much.
I've seen people make this kind of statement about Harry Potter. I find it ridiculous and annoying there, but where is this even coming from with Naruto?
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Actually it's a bit kinda mixed. From what I remember, while the Musketeers (which are very much not knights, since being a knight, or rather, a chevalier, means being a noble) are all female commoners, they are, at least initially, kinda seem as part handmaidens/bodyguards for the princess (which obviously need to be female due to the first part), part Henrietta having a whim at playing at commanding soldiers. It wasn't until they acted essentially as her secret police that they started being taken somewhat seriously if I'm not wrong.
Similarly, among the nobility, while it's hardly unheard for women to fight (magic is one hell of an equalizer
), it's uncommon enough that it does seem to raise a few eyebrows. If nothing else, the mage major female characters who we do see going to combat in canon, so far as I recall, are Louise, due to a mix of being a void mage and have a massively overinflated sense of responsibility, Kirche and Tabitha, who are clearly far more competent than most male noble combatants, Karin, who's the goddamn Heavy Wind, Fouquet, who's quite competent at it plus "forced" into a career where she doesn't have much option about it. Or rather, while females seem to be more common among the elite combatants, special forces and the like, the rank and file do seem to be still be overwhelmingly male.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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- France
This makes me wonder where that 'rank and file' is, given we actually don't see those as far as I can remember.
daimahou
Hear... Feel... Think...
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I'm happy to inform you that this is SufficientVelocity.
Consider the war, where the male academy students were drafted while the girls (other than Louise) remained behind. Furthermore, let's take that series of duels that Saito fought during the standoff with the Gallian army, in which pretty much all duelers were male.
And for "rank and file" in general, the characters in the series are mostly either part of the elite of the nobility or simply just that good, mostly due to the social circle of the protagonists. We do know that there are a lot of chevaliers, as Saito going to pick up his stipend for being one is ridiculously crowded, and, if my memory doesn't fail, the LNs give the figure of 1 in 4 people in Tristain being nobles/mages. Given how so many things are done by magic in the series, it's not a stretch to assume that most of these are unlanded petty nobles, just a barely above most commoners, and in practice being pretty much just glorified craftsmen, liberal profession workers and so forth, the absolute vast majority of these being dots, lines at the very most and even then just so.
Remember, the academy is not just a some random magic school any random petty noble can go. It's not even a place for the generically "kinda rich" nobles. It's downright for the elite among the elite of the noble families to send their sons and daughters, and a place to build contacts and influence for the future as much, if not more than, as it's a place to learn magic.
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Vanargand
So tired.....
It's more she doesn't want Louise to face the Darker Side of being a Noble if anything (Politics, No Friends, doesn't her to end up an emotional Wreck like she is, being used as a pawn
Young Karin is Hotblooded JUSTICE as fuck, imagine a successful Louise with her canon temper and then Old Karin is this Frigid Hag who sits on her ass the entire day while Reconquista is knocking on their door)
Heck when Louise and her dunnowhathisnameDad starts discussing she tells Louise to shut up and then forbids her
Even thought Iron Rule is all -CROWN, POPE, FAMILY- in that order
Oh god Gamer's mind Louise will throw those rules in her face
"Henrietta, the Princess need I remind you, has tasked me personally with this. Duchess Valliere you do not have the power to stop this."
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To be precise, she's a loving mother who cares very much for her daughters but is downright terrible at being a good loving parent. She is trying her best, it's just that her best sucks.
It's actually 1 in 10, which is still a pretty massive number. Although Tristain does apparently have the highest ratio of mages to commoners. Probably how it survived being a tiny country on the borders of Albion, Gallia, and Germania.
pride, but also, despair.
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- Head in the clouds
So, Tabitha is worried/scared of Louise personality change due to the similarities of behavior with her uncle. Mortmorency is frightened/concerned due to just how extremely different it is from what she has seen before. How likely is Louise's family to notice the shift, and what would their reactions be?
Two older sisters with very different personalities, and both parents. Everyone will likely focus upon different things, and react differently.
Two older sisters with very different personalities, and both parents. Everyone will likely focus upon different things, and react differently.
Vanargand
So tired.....
Eleanor will flip her shit out and scream like a banshee. That's all she is good for in canon anyways
Cattleya might deal with this in a calmer manner and point out how Louise is being weird
Karin will freak out in the inside since she is seeing herself 2.0 and will hover over Louise a lot more, leading to control issues and Louise dethroning her since Broken Pedestal and all that
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
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- He/his
Actually, Tabitha is probably noticing the similarities with her mother too instead of just her uncle, since she is the one that sees things that aren't there.
Generalissimo
Generalissimo of SufficientVelocity
- Location
- Tropico, Tropico
After experiencing Undercurrent, Joseph, and mommy. . .
. . . Tabitha *should* be suspicious of massive sudden personality shifts in anyone.
It's not paranoia when it keeps happening to you.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Tabitha's thoughts on Louise's sudden personality shift: "Fuck, not again!"
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
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And now I want to see a JoJo cross where Louise summons DIO as her familiar, with the familiar bond protecting DIO from sunlight ONLY SO LONG AS HE DOES NOT HARM LOUISE.
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- Yes
Thought so.
Sure, but you seem to be thinking too much about my throwaway idea
it was just meant as an amusing alternative to "the characters are morons" which is an explanation I generally dislike.True. However keep in mind that "noble" in Halk. doesn't mean the same thing as it did historically - A lot of what lower nobles are described as doing is what became the middle class jobs when the middle class formed (Doctors, engineers, etc...) dot fire mages apparently are the ones who handle garbage disposal, which in RL was barely middle class.
- Location
- US
We now return to Gaming with Louise.
"Wait a second... Is Henrietta's mom coming onto me?"
"Kind of but not really? That'd be weird. You just remind her of your mother."
"Wait wha--"
"I mean you have no possible idea why she'd act like that! I'll explain later."
"... And I'm not... Rolling for seduction?"
"Nnno."
"... Does she look anything like Henrietta?"
"Well, of cou--"
"I roll to seduce."
"Wait what."
Gaia prefers when they were using a different system.
Derf is laughing forever.
(And I'm only a little sorry.)
EDIT: I assume Louise has met good ol' Mari, considering her childhood and such, but don't ruin my jokes.
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trooperist
Cinnamon Roll AI
Henrietta is plenty adorable.Sadly Henri is not as cute as her mom
On the other hand she has Moar Booty and Boobs so it even outs!
Though she does have good quality T&A.
I really wish she had kept the warrior queen look.
SAVEFILE 25
- Location
- Portugal
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- She/They
««« LOAD 25 »»»
Louise swiftly crossed the streets of Tristania. Even though the ambient and masses of people around her were just the same as they had been not an hour ago, when she had so exulted in being an entirely different person, she could not derive the same excitement as before. This was all Montmorency's fault.
The blonde followed maybe a couple of steps behind her, but surprisingly was keeping up with the gruelling pace Louise was setting. She was, however, struggling, her breath coming out short and a slight sheen of sweat forming on her forehead. If nothing else, thought Louise, Montmorency possessed pigheadedness in spades. She'd have to, to keep clinging to Guiche after everything the fop did. Louise would rather like she wasn't using that dubious quality to keep following her.
After Montmorency had regained some of her color, Louise had made to leave only to be stopped by her classmate.
"Where are you going?" Had asked Montmorency, hand on Louise's arm.
Louise had answered with the, if slightly altered, truth. "To meet up with my teacher, see if my equipment is to his standards." Which she though so, but couldn't be sure for her armor, as she lacked even a cuirass.
Montmorency surprised her, however, by declaring, "Then I'll go with you." Her back had straightened, carrying her usual poise and she nearly glared at Louise, daring her to tell her off.
"What? Why?" She had blurted out.
Montmorency had barely hesitated a beat before replying. "For Guiche. He needs to get some discipline instilled into him. Maybe your teacher can help."
It was lie through and through, Louise had been able to tell. It had nothing to do with Guiche but everything to do with Louise herself. Montmorency wanted to see if she was telling the truth. And, pride stung, vindication still lurking in the back of her mind, the pink-haired mage decided that if she was so worried, why not? Someone from the Academy would see her growth first-hand and finally, finally understand. The training Montmorency had been so bent out of shaped about would show its results and she would understand. So she replied with something her mother used to say to her when Louise was too stubborn for her own good. "Well, keep up then."
And she had.
Louise had honestly though she'd give up eventually, but the blonde remained stubborn. A small part of Louise was impressed. The rest of her was annoyed. Although not an insignificant portion of her would enjoy seeing the look on Montmorency's face when they arrived at The Golden Chimney, not to mention her face when Louise demonstrated her newly-achieved rank… it was risky. She might go around telling people about it… even if it wasn't really her style.
Tabitha was spying on her, Montmorency had noticed something was wrong, and those were the people Louise knew about. There were certain attentions Louise didn't want to draw… and certain attentions nobody wanted to draw. She didn't think it was anything at that level, or the Headmaster would have said something, but still. The figments should remain her secret.
But Montmorency wasn't the only stubborn teenage mage, so Louise put aside her concerns and soldiered on.
Finally, she reached her destination. The Golden Chimney, in all of its non-glory, stood before Louise and her unexpected companion.
Montmorency regarded the building with apprehension written in her features. "This… this is the place?"
"Looks like a good place." Chimed Derflinger from his sheath.
Louise nodded to both of them before entering the inn. The establishment was nearly as empty as the first time Louise had been to it, even if this time it was closer to lunch hour. She noticed, curiously, that although her entrance seemed to draw less eyes than before, they lingered on her longer, appraising her. She decided to take it as a good sign.
Sébastien was at the counter, cleaning mugs with his rag again. He raised both of his eyebrows at her entrance. From the hair, it could only be one person, but the clueless young girl from before had disappeared to make way for this determined, self-assured lass. Yet, he considered approvingly, it was the girl.
"Miss," he greeted, "would you care for something? Some wine maybe?"
Louise's cheeks colored faintly at the reference to her previous… excess. "No, thank you. I'm here on business today."
"And the other young Miss?" The man slid his eyes over the blonde Academy student who looked very much out of place inside his tavern, and seemed to be fully conscious of it.
The pink-haired girl shrugged. "She followed me of her own initiative, by her own two feet. Who am I to tell her what to do?"
"Indeed," hummed the owner. "So you're here on business, are you Miss? Are you still set on this path?"
"I am." Louise answered. Like there had eve been any doubts.
Sébastien sighed quietly and put down the mug he was cleaning. "Very well the. Let's see what you've got. I don't see a swordwand on you."
Derflinger chose that moment to speak up. "Bah, who needs one of those pretend swords when you've got me?"
Sébastien paused, and so did everybody in the inn. "Your sword… talks. Where did you get it?"
"At the blacksmith's behind the Silver Cauldron's potioneer."
The man nodded. "I see, I think I've heard something about an old sword from there before. But can you even use that thing, Miss? It's almost as big as you."
Louise unsheathed Derflinger with one hand, easily holding it in a guard position. Her arm didn't even tremble the slightest bit, observed Sébastien with some surprise. He wouldn't have guessed it with her size, but clearly the girl had more than a few surprises in her sleeves. He was starting to approve of her.
"Derflinger can function as well as any swordwand. I've tested it." Said Louise to forestall any further remarks about her sword. The sword that she was determined to not regret buying.
"That's convenient. You also have a dagger, good." The owner continued and gave her armor a long, hard look. "That's quality buff there too. Must have cost you a small fortune, but it's definitely worth it. Not too heavy, keeps you light and agile. A good choice for mages."
Louise blinked. "Don't the knights in the Corps use plate? I'd thought it would give more protection." Her mother used a full mail and plate armor after all.
Sébastien chuckled. "Well, you have to be able to afford good quality steel. Then, most of the knights you're thinking of, Miss, mount dragons, gryphons and manticores, and its their mounts that hold most of the armor's weight. Lastly, that kind of armor is usually enchanted to weight less, but the same results can be achieved with a lighter, less unwieldy armor enchanted to offer more protection instead. Even among the Queen's knights, full armor is losing popularity. The Gryphon Knights have already abandoned it almost in full."
"Oh." That was something to consider, but Louise still thought a full armor enchanted for lightness was better. Even if the enchantments failed, the steel would still be there, and a wind mage could achieve the same effects as the enchantments.
"Anyway, you've got the armor and the weapons, Miss. At least, you look like somebody I'd consider hiring. A little bit. His your magic also up to par?"
Louise grinned almost savagely. "Yes. I'm a Line mage now." From behind her, there was a choked gasp, but Louise was more invested into meeting Sébastien's gaze.
He looked at her, searching in her eyes for the truth. Then, he reached under the counter and touched a wooden spoon with a long and particularly clean handle. Truthfully, it was a wand with a spoon's end attached to it. A clever little ruse that made people underestimate Sébastien. Without an incantation, he cast Detect Magic. And to his eyes, Louise glowed. More than before anyway. Wind magic from the way the air seemed calmer around her.
"So you are." Sébastien nodded then smiled, a bit proudly. "You pass."
Quest Completed!
+2000 EXP
You have leveled up!
+2000 EXP
You have leveled up!
Louise beamed herself. She'd done it. She'd done it and leveled up. She itched to look up and see a 2 next to her name. She itched so much to confirm she'd done it.
Sébastien smirked evilly. "Alright then, Lass. Then before I give you my letter of recommendation and all that… You still have to prove yourself to me. Show me you really have what it's got."
New Quest!
Impress me
Your new patron, Sébastien, wants to see what you're really made of. Try not to lose too badly.Impress me
> Have a spar with Sébastien
Rewards: +800 EXP
Louise gulped.
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
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Louise, it's time to put your head between your legs and kiss your rear goodbye. It's about to be kicked into orbit.
Malbutorius
C'est le bien qui fait mal
Oh I wonder how long before she discovers her status screen?