She just needs to get the manly hotpants of manliness so it'll be a perfect disguise. No one (except Karin) would ever confuse such distinguished and manly gentleman with a girl like Louise.
Mana Based System - FoZ/Gamer
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Silver W. King
King of Adventures
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Wow, that's a lot of care and concern for someone that till a week ago didn't care about Louise being bullied
Obviously you would know that Louise is pretty obsessive person when she has a goal that she can actually wok toward and that due to all her failures she wants nothing more than to be the image of her ideal self, which she sculptured after her mother. And now that she has the chance, she'll pursue that image with all her might even at the cost of her life....
Oh wait no, you're one of the fucking bystanders that doesn't know Louise's inner character or what she is really like beyond the eyes of the public. You're just having a crisis because your world view is challenge.
If this had be Kirche, I might have given some leeway, since the Germanian is the closest thing Louise sadly has to a friend, however though I think might be Kirche is wiser than most people give credit for and understand. Even if she disapprove of Louise's new attitude, it would come out of genuine concern, rather than some random person who can't see how people could change when desperate.
But let's not go into bash mode here. Go ahead Montmorency, spend sometime with Louise and see if she really changed, or is this the natural result given Louise's new found magic that she didn't have and had been ridiculed for her whole life. Yeah, given how Montmorency tends to be self involved, don't see that happening. But hey people can change, so who knows.
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Ah, upon reading this I retract one of the things I said.
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Just thought of a way Louise might unintentionally distract from the rumors about her magic: returning to her room in her merc gear. If Monmon is the baseline reaction for how people see her, that would start a whole new set of rumors to distract everyone- especially if Derflinger acts like he usually does while people are within earshot.
*Shrugs* In all honesty I see Montmorency understanding that SOMETHING IS WRONG much more plausibly than Kirche. Mostly because Montmorency also has self-esteem issues and would understand that overcoming them doesn't really work like that in terms of SUDDENLY AWESOME, whereas Kirche is more like 'AHA FINALLY YOU CAN PROPERLY BE MY RIVAL PROPERLY'.
Because just saying, if Kirche actually did understand what she was doing to Louise from the start she's a total bitch. 'Friend' my ass.
Because just saying, if Kirche actually did understand what she was doing to Louise from the start she's a total bitch. 'Friend' my ass.
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See, if I was in this situation, I would assume that I did in fact summon something, and not only did that thing 'unlock' my magic, it was also what was causing the figments to appear and such.
Also, it seems not unreasonable that Tabitha/Montmorency might eventually reach the conclusion that whatever she had summoned might have affected Louise in some way.
Also, it seems not unreasonable that Tabitha/Montmorency might eventually reach the conclusion that whatever she had summoned might have affected Louise in some way.
Well, yes. Nobody really wants to believe that though because according to church doctrine it probably means Louise should be burned at the stake. Least of all Louise! With any luck we'll just have Tabitha stealing Derflinger or similar hijinks.
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Can someone please enlighten me on how long it usually takes for someone to reach dot/line/triangle/square ranks?
How much does it influence your social standing?
Is it common for, say, someone to be at least Dot in the four basic elements? Like, you are a triangle mage with Fire, but can use the most basic healing spells, whiper with the wind and do whatever with Earth?
How about being Line at everything?
How much does it influence your social standing?
Is it common for, say, someone to be at least Dot in the four basic elements? Like, you are a triangle mage with Fire, but can use the most basic healing spells, whiper with the wind and do whatever with Earth?
How about being Line at everything?
nah, best physical caster is the scared witch doctor, con for casting
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Most people have an affinity to only one or two elements, but by the time you hit Triangle rank a mage can do Dot spells of any element. Its rare for a mage to not reach Line rank in their lifetime, Triangles are usually high ranking military, and Squares are rare enough that each country has at best 3 each. being Line in everything would probably take as much effort as becoming a Square. However most mages don't reach Triangle or higher using Pure Element spells (spells that only stack one of the four elements), with Karin the Heavy Wind being an extremely powerful exception.
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And then there's Tabitha.
Who is a Triangle Mage and is a Square one by the time the 'crew' in canon hits Romalia and she needs to cast Illusion on Tiffania's ears to make her resemble a human.
Who is a Triangle Mage and is a Square one by the time the 'crew' in canon hits Romalia and she needs to cast Illusion on Tiffania's ears to make her resemble a human.
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I don't think each country has at most 3 Square mages I got the feeling when I read ZNT that Tristain alone had at least 5 and they're a small country.
Royal bloodline shenanigans. Those born in high socioeconomic standing get a base experience multiplier. The general consensus is the pay-to-win model of Life is far too punishing. The folks up in Albion are looking to address that in an upcoming content patch (viva la Reconquista!).
Can I just say how much I appreciate that most of the training arc was skipped after we'd gone through the parts of it that was relevant? And that I love how obsessive grinding potentially has serious consuquences?
Just. All the kudos Minusseven. I had given up hope of ever reading a truly enjoyable The Gamer story but you managed it, so kudos to you.
Just. All the kudos Minusseven. I had given up hope of ever reading a truly enjoyable The Gamer story but you managed it, so kudos to you.
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Ah-Hum [/Umbridge] Also, consult ZnT Back to Basics Thread in SB
Affinity is a 'liking', a preference, an ease. Any mage can cast a Dot spell, regardless of element, by the time they are teenagers. A Line mage can cast any two elements. A Triangle mage can cast any three elements. A Square mage can cast any four elements. The only concrete canon example we have of affinity influencing the spells one can cast is Kirche, who's so attuned to fire she can't cast healing spells, a subset of water spells.
Of course, if you're affinity is earth, you probably should specialize in earth spells, or earth-something spells, because it will be easier and more productive. You don't have to, but it's common sense. It's why mages summon familiars, to determine their elemental affinity (also a symbol of status and a cool pet if you're lucky).
So:
Dot: everybody is fucking Dot.
Line: a normally skilled mage. If you die without reaching Line, you suck.
Triangle: truly skilled mages. Standard powerful mages. This is what you'd ideally expect to find in the Knight Corps and in craftsmages of quality.
Square: the Olympic athletes of the setting. Rare, but not unheard of. The powerhouses.
Examples:
Dots: again, everyfuckingbody. Guiche is a good example, and he levels up during the war.
Line: Montmorency.
Triangle: Kirche. Tabitha (before she also levels up). Fouquet. Henrietta.
Square: The badass couple: Duke and Duchess de La Vallière.
There are some I don't put there because I can't confirm, but I would put at Triangle: Wales, Cattleya and Eleanor. At Square: Old Osmond, Colbert, Wardes (because of his fucking shadow clones). (which puts Tristain at 5 squares minimum, seeing as we don't see the rest of the high nobility or the leaders of the rest of the knight corps)
It's also worth noting that the Academy students are all probably expected to leave the Academy as Lines at the very least. It's a prestigious school that carters to the elite and the elite wannabes. Guiche is seen as a fop precisely because of that and Louise, well.... Concerning the mages that are not nobles and the nobles that don't have a greater standing, we probably see lesser skill and ability, or more focused skills, like Montmorency, a water who focuses on potions, earth mages that do mostly enchantments, wind mages that do weather effects only, etc...
This also highlights what was wrong with Louise. For one, nobody could even be sure she even was a Dot, because she didn't have a single successful spell. For another, and this mostly is for those in the know, she's the daughter of two incredibly powerful mages. Even her crippled sick sister is a powerful mage in her own right. So what was wrong with Louise?
Note that not all of this might apply to Louise now.
Affinity is a 'liking', a preference, an ease. Any mage can cast a Dot spell, regardless of element, by the time they are teenagers. A Line mage can cast any two elements. A Triangle mage can cast any three elements. A Square mage can cast any four elements. The only concrete canon example we have of affinity influencing the spells one can cast is Kirche, who's so attuned to fire she can't cast healing spells, a subset of water spells.
Of course, if you're affinity is earth, you probably should specialize in earth spells, or earth-something spells, because it will be easier and more productive. You don't have to, but it's common sense. It's why mages summon familiars, to determine their elemental affinity (also a symbol of status and a cool pet if you're lucky).
So:
Dot: everybody is fucking Dot.
Line: a normally skilled mage. If you die without reaching Line, you suck.
Triangle: truly skilled mages. Standard powerful mages. This is what you'd ideally expect to find in the Knight Corps and in craftsmages of quality.
Square: the Olympic athletes of the setting. Rare, but not unheard of. The powerhouses.
Examples:
Dots: again, everyfuckingbody. Guiche is a good example, and he levels up during the war.
Line: Montmorency.
Triangle: Kirche. Tabitha (before she also levels up). Fouquet. Henrietta.
Square: The badass couple: Duke and Duchess de La Vallière.
There are some I don't put there because I can't confirm, but I would put at Triangle: Wales, Cattleya and Eleanor. At Square: Old Osmond, Colbert, Wardes (because of his fucking shadow clones). (which puts Tristain at 5 squares minimum, seeing as we don't see the rest of the high nobility or the leaders of the rest of the knight corps)
It's also worth noting that the Academy students are all probably expected to leave the Academy as Lines at the very least. It's a prestigious school that carters to the elite and the elite wannabes. Guiche is seen as a fop precisely because of that and Louise, well.... Concerning the mages that are not nobles and the nobles that don't have a greater standing, we probably see lesser skill and ability, or more focused skills, like Montmorency, a water who focuses on potions, earth mages that do mostly enchantments, wind mages that do weather effects only, etc...
This also highlights what was wrong with Louise. For one, nobody could even be sure she even was a Dot, because she didn't have a single successful spell. For another, and this mostly is for those in the know, she's the daughter of two incredibly powerful mages. Even her crippled sick sister is a powerful mage in her own right. So what was wrong with Louise?
Note that not all of this might apply to Louise now.
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I stuck both of my feet into my mouth again didn't I.
I have no problem with any ship unless it is abusive. I was thinking about how to word stuff later on in my post, and wrote down stuff that was completely off what I meant. Sorry about that, this misunderstanding is completely my fault.
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A thing about mages in FoZ is that they seem (mostly?) constrained by human limits to their physicality, it's the magic you have to worry about. That and magical enhancement of some kind, I guess. (don't do drugs kids)
Chances that Louise will be one of the physically strongest people around just by consistently practicing her martial abilities BEFORE she stops being tiny?
Chances that Louise will be one of the physically strongest people around just by consistently practicing her martial abilities BEFORE she stops being tiny?
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Yoh, Shade to the Rescue:
Wardes says this in the LN:
"I'll make up for however much you lack in wind stones. I'm a square wind mage."
Meanwhile, Cattleya's sickness is grievous enough the spell 'Alchemy' reduces her like this:
As she was watching the coach that was disappearing in the distance, Cattleya smiled. After that, she suddenly started coughing violently. She had exhausted her physical strength with the "Alchemy" incantation she had used earlier.
And guess what? "Even with the square-class spell "Alchemy" it would be difficult to create such advanced manufac-" Alchemy is Square Class once more.
Wales is a Triangle just like Henrietta due to their royal ability being the 'Hexagonal' magic. That is, they sum their power to form a stronger magic.
Colbert is a Square-class fire mage with all probability, but I haven't yet sought out on the LN where it's written.
Wardes says this in the LN:
"I'll make up for however much you lack in wind stones. I'm a square wind mage."
Meanwhile, Cattleya's sickness is grievous enough the spell 'Alchemy' reduces her like this:
As she was watching the coach that was disappearing in the distance, Cattleya smiled. After that, she suddenly started coughing violently. She had exhausted her physical strength with the "Alchemy" incantation she had used earlier.
And guess what? "Even with the square-class spell "Alchemy" it would be difficult to create such advanced manufac-" Alchemy is Square Class once more.
Wales is a Triangle just like Henrietta due to their royal ability being the 'Hexagonal' magic. That is, they sum their power to form a stronger magic.
Colbert is a Square-class fire mage with all probability, but I haven't yet sought out on the LN where it's written.
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"Roll for seduction."
"What?! But I didn't do anything!"
"La Vallière trait. Passive seduction."
"That doesn't make sense!"
"Oh, +4 for tomboyish looks."
"ARGH!!"
Use quotes like this to distinguish your text from the lines from the LN. Also Alchemy is not a square level spell. There has to be different levels of it because Tabitha uses alchemy to transmute coal into gunpowder (or was it the other way around) in her sidestories and I think she was a Line Mage back then. She certainly wasn't above Triangle.
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Alchemy was taught at Dot level in the academy as well. Its the first class Louise has after she summons Saito in canon.
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Sure, but we're factoring in that Cattleya turned the drawbridge's chains -which we can assume either iron/steel- into 'soft dirt' from a great distance. Could be a feat possible for a Triangle, but-
Turning a rock into brass is Triangle. Turning a plain rock into gold is Square. Turning iron chains of a drawbridge from a far off distance into soft dirt...
I'd say Square-level Alchemy.
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"O-Oh Louise, you... I never realized how stunning you are. -bats eyelashes-"
"Relationship with Montemercy upgraded to Romantic!"
"AAAAAGGGGHHH!"
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More likely is that there are different levels of the spell "Alchemy", so none of this is indicative of the mage's strength.
Also, I reecall madame chevreuse saying that you need to be a square mage to transmute gold, she could only do brass due to being a triangle. So there are some spells that are castable at lower levels, but get "better/stronger" at square.
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Uh-lack of sleep is getting to me.
A correction on my previous post:
It isn't actually said outright that 'turning a stone to brass' is a triangle level spell. (It is heavily implied, but not spoken outright)
Considering though that Chevreuse isn't specifying the material she wishes Louise to turn the pebble into,
we can't really ascertain a formula for 'what level is required for alchemy' past the following things:
1) Pebble to Gold: Square.
2) Not even Square level can be used to manufacture the 'Golems' Armor' that Joseph creates.
A correction on my previous post:
It isn't actually said outright that 'turning a stone to brass' is a triangle level spell. (It is heavily implied, but not spoken outright)
Considering though that Chevreuse isn't specifying the material she wishes Louise to turn the pebble into,
we can't really ascertain a formula for 'what level is required for alchemy' past the following things:
1) Pebble to Gold: Square.
2) Not even Square level can be used to manufacture the 'Golems' Armor' that Joseph creates.