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Magna Graecia: Victory's Children (A City State Quest)

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[X] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
 
I am quite in favour of taking the sheep, because they were grazing in borderland, so, like, they probably knew it is a bad idea and not punishing them for disrespecting borders will only encourage them and make them treat us as people who do not respect their own borders, fluid or no.

Sorta....
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"Fellow Eretrians! Did we not await for the feast from the gods? Is it not a sign from them, then? But gods are not going to handle us free things, no - they will test us, test whether we are worthy enough to worship them, to call ourselves Greeks!

And now we see the test: the barbaroi are disrespecting our borders, grazing their flocks in our lands. If we will be too scared to show them that we do not take such offences lightly, they will return, but with warriors instead of sheeps and will rightfully think us weak! Gods gave us a grand gift for the feast if we are Greeks enough to take it - let us not offend them and deny them their rightful sacrifice!"

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[X] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.


Also, I am 100% in favour of having moratorium. Time to look at the logic (and speeches) around without hurry and made in calm manner is great and well worth the wait. It's not like quest will run away while we wait or anything.
 
[X] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
 
[X] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
 
[x] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
 
[X] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
 
[X] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
 
[X] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.

Cetashwayo said:
I am also considering ending the 24-hour prohibition and redoing some of how I present the votes. My thoughts are: The 24 hour wait is useful to discussion, but it's also restrictive and annoying, and can be a barrier for new people. It's time-consuming for me and ends up stretching out individual turns because I could make things go faster without it. What I'm thinking is replacing the 24 hour wait with a more reasonable longer voting period than we had in the last quest, when I was making an update a day. If people have any strong objections to changing the way this works and think the 24-hour wait is needed then voice them now.
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The problem I see with your approach is less with the replacement of the waiting period and more with the combination of that and the fast turn times since that could easily disadvantage people from different time-zones.
 
[x] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
 
[x] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.

There will probably be votes where we need a moratorium more than others, but I expect those decisions will come up infrequently. A moratorium helped a bit here, but we really didn't need a whole twenty four hours. It's rather useful for getting user-motions organized, or if a vote is real complex. Beyond that... I think in the last thread you used your discretion to waive the moratorium sometimes. Being a bit more liberal with that and stretching the voting period makes sense.
 
gutza1 said:
"Fools... is more war truly what they desire?"
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Yes.
Greeks were preeetty....nationalist, I'd say? Certainly did not have a problem with either war or war crimes against barbarians. And us disrespecting that will make other greeks look at us with quite a disrespect/suspicion/desire to kill us with fire for being horrible abomination which pretends to wear a Greek skin but is not one, like classic version of Alien.

More war is also how we get phat lewt and people to work our fields so that citizens can do worthwhile things like philosophy, flexing at each other to git swole/prepare for Olympics, and politics.
 
[x] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
 
War is just a part of how ancient Greeks (and most classical societies) do business. Rome is a good example because it was about 20 km from its mortal enemies from hundreds of years and was at war more or less continiously from the foundation of the Republic. The foundation of the polis is the citizen militia, and the military, political, and religious aspects of that can't be separated.
 
[X] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.

Cetashwayo said:
I am also considering ending the 24-hour prohibition and redoing some of how I present the votes. My thoughts are: The 24 hour wait is useful to discussion, but it's also restrictive and annoying, and can be a barrier for new people. It's time-consuming for me and ends up stretching out individual turns because I could make things go faster without it.
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The vote prohibition is still useful, but a shorter cooling period would probably make sense. Cut it down to 12 hours, lerhaps.
 
[x] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
 
Arcus said:
The vote prohibition is still useful, but a shorter cooling period would probably make sense. Cut it down to 12 hours, lerhaps.
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That's what I was thinking, tbh, but the issue is that it privileges some timezones and gives less time for user motions. Might allow user motions to be used after the discussion period.
 
[X] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.

Please keep the moratorium, it stops badly thought out bandwagons.
 
[x] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
 
Actually, what made Rome in the later eras so able to be cosmopolitan (for the time)? My assumption is that it was the laws, which kinda fullfilled the function of nation/culture in glueing everyone under *something* common. Is it right?

Cetashwayo said:
That's what I was thinking, tbh, but the issue is that it privileges some timezones and gives less time for user motions. Might allow user motions to be used after the discussion period.
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If you feel the longer waits restrict you, maybe you should try scaling the length of wait to gravity/complexity/likely unanimity of decision? For start try making regular turns and some momentous decisions (like, say, founding of city state alliance network) with 24-hours, while smaller ones like "what do with sheeps whose owners are already dead?" can take, like, 12?

I, personally, am a fan of 24 hours moratorium. It makes the discussion waaaay calmer (PoC flashbacks here) and removes the underlying feeling of "shitshitshit if I don't make a post right now we are doing this thing I think is terribad", instead allowing everyone to take a deep breath and take time formulating a response.
 
[X] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
 
[X] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
 
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Cetashwayo said:
Define Cosmopolitan here.
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As far as I know, in later periods it allowed people to (relatively) easily obtain citizenship and thus was way more open to people of other cultures than, say, Greeks.
Plus, I think, it allowed inside the people of quite different backgrounds (not with auto-citizenship, sure), though that probably was inevitable for any imperial capital and not unique to Rome.

They also had more rights for women than Greeks or early Romans, though neither is particularly high bar to clear.

Plus they hired germanic people to their army, resulting in, IIRC, those mercenaries being a part of the late Roman "emperor-making legions" thingie, I think?
 
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