Magna Graecia: Victory's Children (A City State Quest)
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Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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Imperial Rome can't be compared to the earlier Greek City states as such. Citizenship by the imperial period meant nothing of the sort of thing it had meant in the Republican period, when it had many more political and legal rights, and the empire was not really "Roman" in the sense that was composed of Latins from the province of Latium in Italy.
Rome's major innovation on the front of citizenship was the provision of half-citizenship; the city was much more willing to provide privileges to various groups and retain allies that way than the Greeks or other city states were. This was not necessarily unique to Rome, but was something that helped propel her forward. In the republican period we see a lot of instances of mass-grantings of citizenship that would have been absolutely out of bounds to classical Greek city states. Earlier Greek states, in the archaic period, were looser, but the solidification of democracy and the rise of the polis proper as a distinct entity as paramount above all quashed those moves and made citizenship more restrictive, because it was the basis of the expanded political powers of the polis' population.
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Satar
Xetares, Third Redeemer; World Drinker
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[x] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
War it is, then.
War it is, then.
Leingod
Immaculate Blooming Lotus
The women thing very much depends on the region and city-state (and time period) of Greece you're talking about, because like everything else with the Greeks it was all over the place. Athens, for example, fair enough, but in Sparta women were accorded a lot of respect and responsibility.
You are correct on the citizenship thing, though; Rome was a lot less jealous of granting citizenship than most any Greek polis ever was, and that helped its early success a lot.
The hiring of Germans into their armies came late in the Imperial Period, when Rome found its military just couldn't keep up with its needs and so found themselves forced to increasingly rely on foreign mercenaries rather than recruiting people who had been assimilated into Roman culture into the actual legions. It was a measure of increasing necessity, not open-mindedness, and it caused Rome a lot of problems (not least because Rome tended to treat them a lot less kindly than they should).
[X] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
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[X] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
@Cetashwayo For the Moratorium, if you want a both time to discuss with daily, you could do as Sage_of_Eyes does in SB and have three hour moratorium so you can post the next day, with the really big decisions granted an extra day. That has worked really well over there.
Alternatively you could have a set time you post( say 8:00 pm EEST) so people know for sure when to show up.
@Cetashwayo For the Moratorium, if you want a both time to discuss with daily, you could do as Sage_of_Eyes does in SB and have three hour moratorium so you can post the next day, with the really big decisions granted an extra day. That has worked really well over there.
Alternatively you could have a set time you post( say 8:00 pm EEST) so people know for sure when to show up.
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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- Across the Horizon
Three hour moratorium so you can post the next day? Not parsing that here.
Yeah, this is a good idea.
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- Hell
Sage_of_Eyes sometimes posts updates Mon-Fri, so he has three hour moratoriums to give people sufficient time to vote so that he can post an update the next day.
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- Luton Airport
"Citizen of the world" - clearly Roman citizens should own the world so they could be citizens of it.
[X] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
Are we treating the disposition of the Lucani themselves separately @Cetashwayo?
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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- Across the Horizon
If you take the sheep you bring them with you and sell them into slavery, if you don't you don't.
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- Luton Airport
No serfdom option?
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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- Across the Horizon
I mean, you could also turn them into serfs. If people want that more, fine, they're just women and children. (I love the ancient world it's so pleasant)
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- Luton Airport
Just thinking that keeping them in non-horrific serfdom is a bit more reversible if necessary than having sold them off abroad.
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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- Across the Horizon
Their fates are more up to whatever people informally decide here. It's too minor to be put to a separate vote; the actual vote just encapsulates whether or not they get sent home.
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Horologer
Incertae sedis
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[X] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
[X] Who are we to reprimand the Peuketii for doing as we asked and finding us food? Woe to the Lucani for ranging out of their territory for grazing, they have paid the price. Let us feast now and then return home with peace of mind and full stomach.
Should this happen to us it would anger us as well. Would we go to war because of it? No.
Should this happen to us it would anger us as well. Would we go to war because of it? No.