Magical Girl Home Base Quest
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Icipall
Don't worry, we can fanfix that!
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- Cold snow fields of Finland
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Kolobok (artifact)
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- his hidden lair
[X] [WORK] No, you want to work on your building instead
[X] [CHRIS] You'll let her crash in Mistletoe's room. It'll be tight, but not unsafe.
People, literally every other power we know about in the city is either hunkering down or running away. We can't do the latter, and the update explicitly called out that the old girls, with more understanding of the lay of the land than us, want to round up every girl they can and do the same.
This is not the time to be going for a workshop upgrade, this is the time to be getting as many people into the proverbial port before the storm hits- and the workshop does fuck all for that.
[X] [CHRIS] You'll let her crash in Mistletoe's room. It'll be tight, but not unsafe.
People, literally every other power we know about in the city is either hunkering down or running away. We can't do the latter, and the update explicitly called out that the old girls, with more understanding of the lay of the land than us, want to round up every girl they can and do the same.
This is not the time to be going for a workshop upgrade, this is the time to be getting as many people into the proverbial port before the storm hits- and the workshop does fuck all for that.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
- Location
- USG Ishimura
Mechanically, yes. Within the story, Joselyn did it. There has to be a reason.
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- Earth
I am not saying you do not have a point, but honestly? The last time it was reasoned for workshop on the grounds that nothing is exploding yet, building won anyway. Workshop has to come at some point, and there is almost always an argument for doing the building instead.
If we keep going for building, the workshop falls behind too far and thus MG equip suffers in the long run; especially because others can work on the building, but only Medicine Boy can upgrade the workshop.
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- Maybe?
Flashbacks to Oblivion intensify
(Context: the German translation of Oblivion was unusually atrocious at launch, using unnecessarily long names for potions that were then abbreviated to fit on the screen, culminating in the spectacular Schw.Tr.d.Le.en-W., or "Schwacher Trank der Lebensenergie-Wiederherstellung", or as it is also known in non-moonperson German, "Schwacher Heiltrank.")
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- Mid-Atlantic
Well, the good news is, Jocelyn the Sapient Spider Plushie Thing seems to be settling in well and being a contributing member of the team, albeit a sometimes annoying one.
Ooh. That's a very weaponizable trinket. Of course, the problem is that she won't be able to, say, use the illusory sword to block an incoming attack.
@7734
Hm, are we speaking Geiger counter radiation, or magical radiation? Because the latter is something Medicine Boy may know how to screen himself against, but the former, not so much.
Nice.
Hm yeah, "plan how to get" sounds like she's been kidnapped or something.
Oof. That's a kick.
Hm, subtlety there I'm missing, but I suppose it's important because of that?
I'm a bit confused about this; is the idea to put together barracks rooms to increase the number of tenants we can take on?
Also, as noted, gonna need to upgrade the kitchen facilities if we do this, for the reasons discussed.
Uhhhh. I'm confused about what Homer is proposing to do here, other than "use the workshop for crafting."
Uhhh.
As noted, we're pushing the limits of what the kitchen can handle, because we're cooking off hot plates and a lone refrigerator.
[X] [WORK] No, you want to work on your building instead.
I don't mind letting her stay but I'm worried about safety. If something's triggering Medicine Boy's street smarts I'm all for honoring that, and we've got extra magical girls around.
[X] [CHRIS] Something smells fishy about this; reserve a final decision on the matter until you meet her yourself and send some backup with Mistletoe to go get her.
I'm a bit iffy on whether we pressingly need a workshop upgrade. We can already manufacture good wands and trinkets, and we spam bombs constantly. Yeah, they COULD be longer-lasting, but we're not running up against the limit where the kit we're giving the magical girls is breaking down faster than we can replace it yet.
I know a bottleneck exists where our equipment being too short-lived is a problem. But we're really, really not there yet, the way we would be if we were still mostly making stuff that only lasted d10 weeks.
We ARE running up against the bottleneck where we can't feed any more tenants, though. As noted, that's gonna be a problem if things go south and something big and nightmarish hits the city, because the only real safety we have is strength in numbers, and I suspect isolated homeless magical girls are going to get picked off pretty easily if things get messy.
We're regularly turning out Tier II and III items that we can reasonably expect to last for months. Trying to further upgrade the workshop until we can at least FEED more people is a case of the perfect becoming the enemy of the good in this case, I think.
This isn't so much about Chris being worthy of suspicion, as the situation. Some kind of trap, or Mistletoe's enemies having figured out to use Chris as bait, or something.
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- Earth
The improved durability was not the main point of my argument. It is that the first upgrade gave a secondary benefit in those bombs. Chances are another will add another benefit to every following crafting actions. So I want to get one more in to see what else is in store on that end.
Of note is that MC says food will be a problem if things go south really badly, which is a reasonable assumption but not a certainty. We also know that the Week 13 event is not going to be solved in one Update, so building can still be done later or in response to things actually ending up as bad as MC fears.
The same argument goes vice versa for the workshop, of course, but there were several building upgrades voted for already and several more happened automatically due to Homer, so I still say it is time for the workshop.
[X] [WORK] No, you want to work on your building instead
[X] [CHRIS] Something smells fishy about this; reserve a final decision on the matter until you meet her yourself and send someone as backup with Misletoe to go get her
Let's be honest we can make are workshop the best it could be but we and how many new magic girls will come and stay or have supper so it's best if we upgrade the building
[X] [CHRIS] Something smells fishy about this; reserve a final decision on the matter until you meet her yourself and send someone as backup with Misletoe to go get her
Let's be honest we can make are workshop the best it could be but we and how many new magic girls will come and stay or have supper so it's best if we upgrade the building
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
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- USG Ishimura
It's in a lead lined box, that's about as contained as it's going to get.
Also 100%, good old fashioned sterilizing, cancer causing, skin melting radiation. Check the link @Icipall posted.
We need those upgrades. In addition to what @Naron said about getting minor items being crafted alongside the main project, the GM has stated we get more out of our gear if the tier of the workshop at least matches the tier of our crafted item. Nothing we've made has ever matched. It needs to be improved.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
[X] [WORK] No, you want to work on your building instead
[X] [CHRIS] Something smells fishy about this; reserve a final decision on the matter until you meet her yourself and send someone as backup with Misletoe to go get her
Let's make room for some more refugees before the storm rolls in.
[X] [CHRIS] Something smells fishy about this; reserve a final decision on the matter until you meet her yourself and send someone as backup with Misletoe to go get her
Let's make room for some more refugees before the storm rolls in.
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- Outside the Box
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- She/Her
Looking at the spreadsheet:
We gained 12 Mundane Goods, 2 Witchy Stuff, 3 Demon Stuff, and 1 Misc item. Except that misc. item is listed as 1x Kobolok (Major Artifact). As our first Major Artifact it's definitely a priority when we feel free to do another research action. Meanwhile the 12 Mundane puts us solidly in the black for operational expenses. And in other news, none of our 3 new contacts have a Title yet, meaning we have a worrying number of new MGs around.
@7734 Why is the Trinket we made for Trompdoy listed as lasting 75 weeks? (Should be 3*5*(3+1)=60). And why is the Sword we sold to Rose Tier 2?
[X] [WORK] No, you want to work on your building instead
[X] [CHRIS] Something smells fishy about this; reserve a final decision on the matter until you meet her yourself and send some backup with Mistletoe to go get her.
We gained 12 Mundane Goods, 2 Witchy Stuff, 3 Demon Stuff, and 1 Misc item. Except that misc. item is listed as 1x Kobolok (Major Artifact). As our first Major Artifact it's definitely a priority when we feel free to do another research action. Meanwhile the 12 Mundane puts us solidly in the black for operational expenses. And in other news, none of our 3 new contacts have a Title yet, meaning we have a worrying number of new MGs around.
@7734 Why is the Trinket we made for Trompdoy listed as lasting 75 weeks? (Should be 3*5*(3+1)=60). And why is the Sword we sold to Rose Tier 2?
[X] [WORK] No, you want to work on your building instead
[X] [CHRIS] Something smells fishy about this; reserve a final decision on the matter until you meet her yourself and send some backup with Mistletoe to go get her.
[X] [WORK] No, you want to work on your building instead
I'm not sure what to do about Chris because I hadn't noticed anything suspicious, but there's an option that says the situation is suspicious. I do want to upgrade the building before the storm hits though since it sounds like we're running up against our limits there.
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[X] [CHRIS] You'll let her crash in Mistletoe's room. It'll be tight, but not unsafe.
I'm not sure what to do about Chris because I hadn't noticed anything suspicious, but there's an option that says the situation is suspicious. I do want to upgrade the building before the storm hits though since it sounds like we're running up against our limits there.
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[X] [CHRIS] You'll let her crash in Mistletoe's room. It'll be tight, but not unsafe.
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Chaosbrain
The End comes beyond Chaos...
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- Between East and West, North and South.
[X] [WORK] No, you want to work on your building instead
[X] [CHRIS] Something smells fishy about this; reserve a final decision on the matter until you meet her yourself and send someone as backup with Misletoe to go get her
[X] [CHRIS] Something smells fishy about this; reserve a final decision on the matter until you meet her yourself and send someone as backup with Misletoe to go get her
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- Goose Land
[X] [CHRIS] Something smells fishy about this; reserve a final decision on the matter until you meet her yourself and send some backup with Mistletoe to go get her.
[X] [WORK] No, you want to improve your workshop instead.
[X] [WORK] No, you want to improve your workshop instead.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
That's a reasonable want, but so is "we have the ability to feed more than eight permanent residents of this building." We are not only an item crafter here.
Medicine Boy isn't only talking about disruption of food supplies. He's talking about the logistical ability to feed eight people consistently every day, with only two people available to do the cooking, both of whom have serious physical disabilities.
Also, consider that the Turn 13 event may be something weird and serious that the inhabitants of our building can ride out fairly well. For example, imagine that some new magical gribbly is unleashed on the city and flocks of carnivorous winged monkeys or whatever start hunting magical girls at night. The girls who sleep in culverts or poorly secured shacks or whatever? They're even more likely than usual to wind up dead. Girls who have an actual building with several people present who can take turns standing watch? Much better chance of survival.
Foreknowledge of such an event would neatly explain why many of the local alchemists and witches are trying to fortify or get out of town.
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- Earth
We are also not only a motel owner here. The argument works the same the other way around. I get your argument and I generally agree, but there were a fair amount of building upgrades (some automatic) already and only one workshop upgrade in total. Disregarding the workshop for too long is going to end up biting MC on the supernatural aspect because all those residents the building upgrades allow end up having no gear.
With the trends I saw so far, next turn would either develop onto building again under the same reasoning because another future fire is supposed to be prevented, or to crafting because someone mentions they really need gear again.
That is why I want to do workshop now, so it is out of the way for a little while and other things can be done without that feeling pressing.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Yes, but that kind of hinges on the definition of "too long." I consider the "can only feed eight people" thing to be a much more significant cap/limitation than everything else, and if we deal with that this turn, I'm going to switch to workshop advocacy.
But I prioritize being able to feed more than eight people higher than the second workshop upgrade, when it comes to upgrades.
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- Outside the Box
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If it wasn't for the fairly explicit warnings, I'd understand upgrading the Workshop right now. But the text of the update talks about possibly needing to pack in MGs like sardines, which is a bad idea to do to anyone even before you give them explosive magical powers. Not to mention we're running out of the ability to feed everyone who lives and visits here.
I know it seems like we should have upgraded the workshop again a while ago, but last time we upgraded the building it ended up being the laboratory room that keeps Joselyn (and currently only Joselyn) alive. Effectively our last building upgrade got turned into the 2-week project to keep Joselyn around, and didn't result in a general quality improvement for our other residents. So we still have the same problem 3 weeks later.
We have multiple problems we need to juggle constantly, and right now the problem that least needs solving is equipment for our locals. The problem that most needs solving is upgrading the capacity/quality of our building. Upgrading the workshop is something we always want to do, but it can't come at the expense of our ability to actually be a functional Home Base.
I know it seems like we should have upgraded the workshop again a while ago, but last time we upgraded the building it ended up being the laboratory room that keeps Joselyn (and currently only Joselyn) alive. Effectively our last building upgrade got turned into the 2-week project to keep Joselyn around, and didn't result in a general quality improvement for our other residents. So we still have the same problem 3 weeks later.
We have multiple problems we need to juggle constantly, and right now the problem that least needs solving is equipment for our locals. The problem that most needs solving is upgrading the capacity/quality of our building. Upgrading the workshop is something we always want to do, but it can't come at the expense of our ability to actually be a functional Home Base.
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That is fair, both are useful. I am just concerned that workshop will get sidelined again in following voting cycles as it was in the last few. All for valid reasons, but it starts adding up.
Also fair. Just... the other issue is that whenever gear became the prevalent problem before, people ran to crafting instead of upgrading the workshop. So once this situation flips... well, I made my point. No need to keep harping on it.
Icipall
Don't worry, we can fanfix that!
- Location
- Cold snow fields of Finland
I'd actually recommend we'd study the Kobold next week, since it is a powerful healing artifact and whatever is going to happen Week 13, healing is going to be useful, no matter the item we'd get from studying it.
Yeah, that is good to remember.
Agreed.