I wasn't citing any specific order to do them in, I just wanted us to try one of them, not seeing Torunn for more than one year could cause our relationship to start to drop since she is so young.

I can't remember if Thor had thunder as a stat this quest or just last one, it doesn't show it anymore so it is possible he sacrificed it to the well of Mimir if he did have it.

I would be fine doing it if we had our full martial and didn't have more pressing concerns, like Torunn, we need to talk to Sif to make her more comfortable with us being around Torunn
I'll trade it for the Side action but it isn't really that pressing it just one year.
 
... @KnowledgeKing, clear me this up just so I can be sure. Would Rejuvenation/restore sleep/stamina Magic help Odin recover from the Odinsleep earlier?

No.

Edit: @KnowledgeKing if we pass the excersize option two turns in a row do we still get the increase it does it have to happen on the same turn?

Depending on how well you succeed.

So it should be 18 next turn if we get good rolls.

No.
 
This isn't even a huge shiny, second if we make the forge here what are we going to do when we are finished being king. The real issue is people stop commiting when they see high DC. Thor went through this and kept going until he got stronger. Also you keep going on about magitech but don't want to lay the ground work for it. If we build the forge we will be creating trash their stuff like the gauntlets. This wasted an action, if you asked to raise magic that would be more understandable but building a forge doesn't mean we will magically get good at forging and still require grinding turns before we can use it reliably.
You.Are.Not.Listening. The thing is that I do actually want to set the foundation for magi tech. The issue is that to do that we need a freaking forge and it's going to take time. Why would we not prepare as soon as possible to get ready? Even if we do get say forging from the sacrifice we still need a forge to even make use of it.
@Red Bovine if you wanted forging so badly you shouldn't have advocated to put us in an environment where we have to start from scratch because now we have to learn the lay of the land or risk being treated as an outsider that knows nothing of the people. This is what this plan was created to do. Fast pace Loki's integration. The martial options are to prepare for Thor and the Sacrifice. Thor grinded hard before it while even with this plan we are barely grinding.

And something I keep pointing out. No, not all of the actions you put in are actually time sensitve. Example this:
-[] Gather information about the specific imports and exports of Jotunheim. DC 20

Doesn't need to be taken this turn since we have people that know that stuff. It would probably be helpful but don't think it's actually crucial.
 
I would be fine doing it if we had our full martial and didn't have more pressing concerns, like Torunn, we need to talk to Sif to make her more comfortable with us being around Torunn
I think it would be better to wait at least a turn to give Sif time to calm down and process the whole Jotun reveal. We already know that she is pretty pissed with everything going on so seems like it may make things worse if that fails. Thinking that at least waiting a turn for her to call down would likely improve the odds of convincing her.
No he'd be hurt still.
...How?
Assuming that Loki owned property on Asgard thanks to PF.
 
That's non magical it is useless for our forging stat, that is the one for the hobby we will never use. What's the DC on the magical one?

Edit:

[X] Adaptive Loki
-[x] Hold an open challenge to the throne. DC ???
-- [x] Loki (Primary)

The reason for the martial action is to legitimatize Loki in the eyes of Jotunheim. Don't wish for other military actions until I am sure it won't look suspicious by Asgard or Thor.

-[x] Meet with the people of Jotunheim personally. DC 55
- [x] Loki (Tertiary)
-[x] Familiarize yourself with the most respected people in Jotunheim. DC 80
-- [x] Loki (Secondary)
These actions are to find hero units and integrate with the politics of Jotunheim. These guys control factions and can make things hard if they don't agree.

-[x] Build a factory for mass-producing electronics. DC 65 x2
-[x] Make a factory to mass-produce weapons. DC 75 x2
-[x] Have an official Jotunheim Library built. DC 65 x2

These are low risk actions that have low DC since we don't have heroes. It helps us prepare for the future by saving AP on building. The library is to promote learning among Jotunheim and progress.

-[x] See if Laufey had any other children/heirs/family. DC 40 x2

Possible hero recruitment or rival we have to sniff out.

-[x] Bring Jotunheim up to Asgard's understanding of Medicine. DC 85
-- [x] Osmond (Secondary)
-[x] Elevate Jotunheim's sciences to Asgard's levels. DC 85
-- [x] Osmond (Primary)
-[x] Improve Jotunheim's technological level. DC 50 x2
- [x] Osmond (Tertiary)

Trying to catch up in tech to Asgard and spread the notion of technology to begin some pursuits.

-[x] Train:
-- [x] Become the absolute expert in:
--- [x] Biology. DC 150
- [x] With Osmond (Secondary)

-[X] Try to get to know Sif. She is family...sort of. DC 95

We should focus on empowering our specialties and body. The higher the power the more payoff the sacrifice gives. Biology is there for nerve strikes ND to expand to anything we are missing.

-[x] Try to talk with Elym. DC 10

Need more trusable hero units of.learning.
-[x] Recruit talented scientists from elsewhere in the Nine Realms. DC 70
--[x] 6 Assistants
--[x] Vanaheim Branch
--[x] Alfheim Branch
--[x] Midgard Branch
--[x] Nidavellir Branch
--[x] Jotunheim Branch
-[x] Recruit talented scientists from other planets. DC 95
--[x] Nova Corps Branch
--[x] Skullos Branch
--[x] Titan Branch
-[x] Gather information about the specific imports and exports of Jotunheim. DC 20
-[x] Learn Jotunheim's Laws. DC 50

-[x] Learn more about Jotunheim's culture. DC 50
-- [x] With Osmond (Primary)

In both stewardship and intrigue we need to learn about our people.

-[x] Relationships: Spend time with some of your favorite people in the world!
-- [x] Hábrók

What does Loki buy Torunn for her birthday?
-[x] [Torunn] An upgrade to last year's gifts and age appropriate toys dealing with martial pursuits.
-[] Nothing

What does Loki buy Balder for his birthday?
-[x] [Balder] Ask Amora what Balder would want as a present.
-[] Nothing

@KnowledgeKing is the plan legal and can I get an answer on what excersize does?
Edit: Does anyone have an idea what presents to get the kids.
@KnowledgeKing is my plan legal? Especially the PF plans.

@Red Bovine the forging action is a waste if time it does nothing for Loki. Our forging stat is crap and a forge won't change that. After we create your forge to get anything decent we would have to increase our magic stat a lot and get in to Odin's Library to complete the skill. That means the forge is going to be sitting there for years without use. By time we want to use it we won't be king anymore making the DC harder. You could wait until I get permission from Amora to create a forging guild. This would be more useful, won't use up a personal action and allows units to pool together their stats to create something useful. Either that or wait for the respec potion but the point is Loki can't currently use it for anything but crap gear. If you want to know what crap gear we can make pick the test forging option don't waste two turns.
 
@Red Bovine the forging action is a waste if time it does nothing for Loki. Our forging stat is crap and a forge won't change that. After we create your forge to get anything decent we would have to increase our magic stat a lot and get in to Odin's Library to complete the skill. That means the forge is going to be sitting there for years without use. By time we want to use it we won't be king anymore making the DC harder. You could wait until I get permission from Amora to create a forging guild. This would be more useful, won't use up a personal action and allows units to pool together their stats to create something useful. Either that or wait for the respec potion but the point is Loki can't currently use it for anything but crap gear. If you want to know what crap gear we can make pick the test forging option don't waste two turns.
You.Are.Not. Listening. I want a foundation for us ready to work on forging and magi tech. For the millionth time, I am sick and tired of the excuses in regards to forging and magi tech considering that people have been doing that for literally dozens of turns and we are never going to actually get shit done if we don't start it already.

But my main problem is that people are gambling too much on unknown. That respect serum? Do you actually have any idea if that would even be possible or even the DC? Do you know if Amora would even accept? Hell, we don't even need permission to make a forge so I really don't understand why we need to ask Amora.

Another thing you keep failing to take into account that you focus too much on our forging skill and stats alone and fail to remember that we actually do have a high magic stat that would likely be taken into account. You act like we will definitely get crappy stuff while ignoring that we may roll well. Hell, you keep ignoring that I'm not talking about making high tier gear with forging but just finally having access to magi tech and being able to build up on it immediately once we actually raise forging through whatever means instead of waiting half a dozen turns to make a freaking forge instead of having it ready.

Hell, you ignored that a good roll in creating the forge means that it does become mobile and even ignoring that we may be able to keep access to it even when our kingship is over.

@KnowledgeKing Would we be able to keep access to a forge we made on Jotunheim even when our kingship is over? Would we be able to build forges on property we own and/or just buy the property the forge is on?
 
You.Are.Not. Listening. I want a foundation for us ready to work on forging and magi tech. For the millionth time, I am sick and tired of the excuses in regards to forging and magi tech considering that people have been doing that for literally dozens of turns and we are never going to actually get shit done if we don't start it already.

But my main problem is that people are gambling too much on unknown. That respect serum? Do you actually have any idea if that would even be possible or even the DC? Do you know if Amora would even accept? Hell, we don't even need permission to make a forge so I really don't understand why we need to ask Amora.

Another thing you keep failing to take into account that you focus too much on our forging skill and stats alone and fail to remember that we actually do have a high magic stat that would likely be taken into account. You act like we will definitely get crappy stuff while ignoring that we may roll well. Hell, you keep ignoring that I'm not talking about making high tier gear with forging but just finally having access to magi tech and being able to build up on it immediately once we actually raise forging through whatever means instead of waiting half a dozen turns to make a freaking forge instead of having it ready.

Hell, you ignored that a good roll in creating the forge means that it does become mobile and even ignoring that we may be able to keep access to it even when our kingship is over.

@KnowledgeKing Would we be able to keep access to a forge we made on Jotunheim even when our kingship is over? Would we be able to build forges on property we own and/or just buy the property the forge is on?
Forging is based off of our forging stat not our overall magic. Second we know that the serum is possible I asked. Third the DC is in the 1000s that is why I am taking the steps to create the learning serum first by bringing up the tech level and recruiting learning heroes.

@KnowledgeKing can we train Assisstant to become hero units?
Do we get an extra action for DARPA?
 
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Is it wrong of me to have that one part of me that kinda wants Odin to die just so Hela can show up acting all cocky and then just get destroyed immediately by Thor.
 
Assuming that Loki owned property on Asgard thanks to PF.

That means PF would have to build it. Loki's not really going to be in Asgard long enough to build a forge.

@KnowledgeKing Would we be able to keep access to a forge we made on Jotunheim even when our kingship is over? Would we be able to build forges on property we own and/or just buy the property the forge is on?

Depends on if it's made personally or as a king action.

@KnowledgeKing is my plan legal? Especially the PF plans.

Seems to be.
 
I personally want Hela to somehow be the one from Fire Loki's universe, just to spice up some much needed drama. @KnowledgeKing wink wink, nudge nudge
Hela wouldn't lose that badly because she is immortal and linked to Asgard. So Thor would have to destroy Asgard bit in his current form he wouldn't be able to.

@KnowledgeKing can we open a forging buisness?
Can you answer if DARPA has an extra action in Loki's stewardship?

Edit: Can we expand the Jotunheim PF?
 
@KnowledgeKing will the DC go up if we build the forge in Jotunheim after our kingship?
Will we get special material unique to Jotunheim through the import, export action?

Edit: Can I have 6 different individual rolls with the Assisstants instead of one combined roll?

Edit2: @Red Bovine I don't understand why you want the forge now that I think about it. There is an entire realm full of forges we haven't used. We could easily use the of branch to start using it or have Loki go there. Thor is apperently already using it.
 
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Assistants don't give us actions, they are like assigning Osmond to a roll so there is no way that work or be possible
We have been doing that since last turn, Assisstant actions are actions individually taken by said Assisstant. As long as it is for the company Assisstants can take the action.

@KnowledgeKing what did Osmond's lab invent last turn?
What did our spy base roll for recruitment?
What did DARPA 4 labs roll?
 
No it isn't, those are branch actions, we can assign assistants to actions that benefit PF, they have never provided us with more actions....
Look at last turn with the exosuit that was an action taken by Osmond and Elym for the company. I'm not saying more actions for Loki just more rolls. Each individual Assisstant gets a roll instead of one roll plus 6 points
 
Edit2: @Red Bovine I don't understand why you want the forge now that I think about it. There is an entire realm full of forges we haven't used. We could easily use the of branch to start using it or have Loki go there. Thor is apperently already using it.
I keep saying why I want us to get the forge now. Another reason to get our own forge is so that we don't need to get permission to use the only magical forge around. We keep getting screwed over because we can't forge whenever we want to.
Look at last turn with the exosuit that was an action taken by Osmond and Elym for the company. I'm not saying more actions for Loki just more rolls. Each individual Assisstant gets a roll instead of one roll plus 6 points
That seems to game breaking since people cold just get more and more rolls with more assistants.
 
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Look at last turn with the exosuit that was an action taken by Osmond and Elym for the company. I'm not saying more actions for Loki just more rolls. Each individual Assisstant gets a roll instead of one roll plus 6 points
-[z] Invention: Make a company exosuit that increases the strength of the user.
-- [z] Assistant: Osmond
-- [z] Assistant: Elym
Roll: 369
They just added their stat bonus to it and caused it to crit some, they did not get multiple rolls...
 
I keep saying why I want us to get the forge now. Another reason to get our own forge is so that we don't need to get permission to use the only magical forge around. We keep getting screwed over because we can't forge whenever we want to.



That seems to game breaking since people cold just get more and more rolls with more assistants.
You realize that is what we have always been doing right?
The exo suit roll was by Assisstant action Osmond and Elym. Also the branch creation roll for the Nornheim was done by Assisstants not Loki. Assisstants are essentially like king actions without the heroes.

About the forge we don't need permission to go there. The only reason why permission was needed before was Odin's ban. Otherwise we can go there as long as we are aligned with Asgard making building one useless because if Asgard bans us from that they will ban us from all the realms forges.

Edit: @MRoy that was because they were put under the same action. If we had assigned them with the other Assisstants in the stewardship section then they would have done one roll. If we split up all the Assisstants on different actions they would each have their own roll.

Edit2: Also Loki's stats do not apply to Assisstants actions only the Assisstants applied to it.
 
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