Well we are literally using the same forces on Muselheim as our hired army and with some people also suggesting that we also use said forces to attack Titan seems like it wouldn't take much for Surtur to notice that something is seriously up what with Asgard for some reason deciding to have mercs under them to attack every single ship coming to his planet and those same forces attacking Titan at the same time would probably leave him to coming to certain conclusions. It would especially be bad if Thanos noticed as well and/or reached out to Surtur for an alliance with him and Laufey since they both have grievances against Asgard.

Also how is this?:

This good?

Again, I don't suggest 'just leaving him' but building up our own forces. And no, pretty sure that we could definitely prepare for war and that 'clean up' may not take much considering that we do have 22 actions as King. Also you are making quite a bit of assumptions on things going perfectly well as you assume.

For the Thanos thing, should point out that Thanos is literally one of the top most powerful beings in the universe and not much can really stop him so not a fair comparison. Especially since he likely beefed up defenses after Thor's rampage. Even with Scrying we aren't sure how well we would do since they likely would still need time to gather info on what they are scrying and we aren't sure how well that would go. Even then scrying may not help much if the forces we send our insufficient to deal with Titan's defenses.

And starting shit with Titan before we are ready for war still seems like a pretty horrible idea. Especially if Thanos tries to reach out to Asgards enemies if we officially go to war with him.
This isn't starting anything he has already started it. Another thing is how is Thanos supposed to know this was Loki unless you tell him. You seem to be ignoring the benefits if failure being testing their defenses with something we can get back in one turn. This will give us info on what to prepare for in the next 5 yrs. How are we planning without info?

Again we are using Thanos's favorite tactic against him.
 
Right...

Maybe I should give you a what if of when I take the baby gloves off. Because right now...you're complaining about medium when you essentially chose Extreme mode. People are alive despite being swarmed in battle and losing their martial rolls by a lot.

Morpheus likely has stealth capabilities and should have OP weapons that add bonuses to his roll...I scrapped that. Hell he should probably be made of w/e Thanos' sword was made of, but I decided not to. Because I'm trying to help you guys while maintaining logic.

I'm literally doing all I can to help you guys out, you just make really really bad choices. I can only do so much.

And no, Morpheus didn't cut half of your forces in half on his own. It was the giant robot army that outnumbered you. They had a part in it as well.

And no he doesn't have 79 bonus. Read. It was the minus from his skill. Same one Loki gets all the time to his opponents.

And matching Thor...Ultron matches Thor with like 3 days of life. Morpheus is the same thing but with decades of life and experience fighting Asgardians PLUS a smarter father with better tech. Yeah he should match Thor.

And I never said stronger opponents would come if you got OP. I said the already OP people would notice you because that makes sense.

And their opponents are getting stronger. Thor's getting more and more OP every turn. So is Asgard. Not sure what else you want.



So...do you want to ignore dice or what? Because the dice is how he snuck up on Loki and took the sword. Surviving Decap's because it's an AI controlling a body from far away. Decap doesn't matter.

Uh...Morpheus is the upgraded merc. That's literally the same thing. Ultron...was about to destroy Earth and beat Thor in a fight. He needed an infinity stone+Thor+Iron Man+Vision's hax abilities to beat him. That was within 3 days of life. So nah. That's wrong.

Succeed at what? Loki got Gungnir back. Got Hofund back. No one died in the invasion except Heimdall. Despite the sneak advantage. Nothing was taken from the vault in the invasion either. The only success was killing Heimdall and placing Loki on the throne...which benefits you. And YOU WERE GIVEN A REDO.

You just rejected it.

I have other people to bounce ideas off of. They want me to do so much worse. But I hold back to help you guys out.

Right now it seems like whining that villains get to do anything.

Let's look at the quest right now:

  • Loki is KING.
  • Asgard has improved tremendously
  • The first attack did literally nothing besides remove Heimdall and...make Loki KING and give Asgard more tech
  • This attack has killed no one named. And you were allowed an action to respond when in reality, it'd be over too quick to even roll for anything
  • And this is despite facing Thanos and Ultron
Like if anyone, you guys have the plot armor. Asgard should probably be a smoking pile of rubble and Loki should be dead. But you complain about villain success when there has been nothing on screen. How Sway?

And if y'all get pissed off, it's whatever. All I'm going to do is what makes sense and what's fair with a heavy lean to helping you guys out. Like always.
Right... so Thanos with an Infinity Stone and Ultron is a medium level threat... Man, seeing the movies I thought he was an Avengers (Endgame) level threat... guess I was wrong.

The stealth tech is something that you brought into this equation. Level of tech that completely bypassed Heimdall (and if his words are to be believed, he felt some disturbance before the attack) and his Omni-Senses.
"The Gatekeeper can see a single drop of dewfall from a blade of grass a thousand worlds away."
The only thing from the movies, that could somewhat bypass Heimdall's sense were the Dark Elve's Ark. And they had the tech made after studying Aether, Reality Stone, for years. They are in the MCU one of the oldest species. And you gave Titan the level of tech equal to them, without there being any evidence to support that Titan was this advance in level.

Unless you are making the alien metal standard on Titan and give it to Thanos, just like you gave away an Infinity Stone to Thanos so early... then yea, you could have done it. Kudos for not doing it and ruining the quest for the players.

Yup, after recovering for a decade after nearly being starved to death. The Titan had the resources to fund a mercenary force, twice, and not spend it on other stuff. Also, after having sanctions placed on them, that are heavily respected by whole universe. Titan is still able to fund another mercenary force and is ready to take on Asgard (thank you Morpheus for feeding the poor Titans).

Ultron doesn't match Thor. His body which is made of Vibranium, which holds the property of absorbing Kinetic Energy, is what allows Ultron to survive Thor.

The thing is we are seeing others around us getting strong, and not us. That is what is bewildering the player, and making them antagonistic towards you. It's certainly not your problem or your mistake. It's just how things are.

It's common to put AI servers in an android's head and not in its chest. Where controls to various body movements and weaponry are placed. Once the head is separated... well the control over the android body is lost. You again pulled a quick one over us by making the android survive... by whatever logic or reasoning you used.

Man, only a crazy person would have accepted the redo. I personally could say that I was fking tired of leading the arc (still am), and making omakes to get roll bonuses. If you believe that we, the players, have nothing better to do other than re-doing an arc of this quest again for days... well, then you need to know that people have real lives and matters that they need to attend to (especially around this time of the year).

The people you bounce ideas with, tell you to make the quest more difficult? Why? To ruin this quest for players and make people rage-quit?
If they are making things interesting then sure go for it and make something difficult and not this where every day it feels like we need to fend off another attack. Dormammu, Thanos with Infinity Stone, and now Ultron... sigh nvm.
But, otherwise, reconsider the people you are bouncing off ideas with if they want to make this quest even more difficult just to see us rage-quit. (It's a suggestion, nothing that you have to follow.)

Yes, it does feel like the villains can do anything. Dormammu attacked out of nowhere. Thanos suddenly has an Infinity Stone and has researched it so well that he even has an Ultron. And he attacks Asgard, for no other reason, other than him being insane. Besides, this he also has gifted strength, gifted willpower and well everything. He is a combo Thor, Loki and Osmond in flesh.

So yea. Personally I won't say I am pissed or anything. It's just I am tired. Which is to be expected given the time of the year and well us fending of Thanos, every day.

You are doing a good job, as it is. I haven't played many quests (This is still my first quest) to make a judgement on you and say that you aren't balancing things properly on this quest. But I kinda wanted my thoughts to be known, so here they are.

Edit: Thank you for making this far with us.
 
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Well we are literally using the same forces on Muselheim as our hired army and with some people also suggesting that we also use said forces to attack Titan seems like it wouldn't take much for Surtur to notice that something is seriously up what with Asgard for some reason deciding to have mercs under them to attack every single ship coming to his planet and those same forces attacking Titan at the same time would probably leave him to coming to certain conclusions. It would especially be bad if Thanos noticed as well and/or reached out to Surtur for an alliance with him and Laufey since they both have grievances against Asgard.

Also how is this?:

This good?

Again, I don't suggest 'just leaving him' but building up our own forces. And no, pretty sure that we could definitely prepare for war and that 'clean up' may not take much considering that we do have 22 actions as King. Also you are making quite a bit of assumptions on things going perfectly well as you assume.

For the Thanos thing, should point out that Thanos is literally one of the top most powerful beings in the universe and not much can really stop him so not a fair comparison. Especially since he likely beefed up defenses after Thor's rampage. Even with Scrying we aren't sure how well we would do since they likely would still need time to gather info on what they are scrying and we aren't sure how well that would go. Even then scrying may not help much if the forces we send our insufficient to deal with Titan's defenses.

And starting shit with Titan before we are ready for war still seems like a pretty horrible idea. Especially if Thanos tries to reach out to Asgards enemies if we officially go to war with him.
Yup. Though the 1/5th force in PF is the same force which was sent to Muselphiem... so instead of sending them to Asgard, bring them back here (to Nidavellir).
Also, an action to be ready at arms for the army back at Asgard. We aren't going to war, but we shall be prepared for a war on Asgard.

Here can you make the Thor fighting action like this?
-[] Join Thor in the fight (Loki is down to 23 Martial)
--[] Cast enchantments of Speed on Loki.
--[] Play the fight smart, Thor is enraged after knowing what Morpheus did to his parents. Be on the lookout for any trick the bot is going to play.

For all, we know Morpheus has the Sceptre with him. And might use it on Thor, at an opportune time

EDIT: @Red Bovine What do you reckon Thor would do after the fight? Push for a campaign against Thanos? You should also consider this.

@Sanas22 what do you want me to change? I already changed the Thor enchant option.
It's perfect. If Loki is doing an attack plan.
 
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Yup. Though the 1/5th force in PF is the same force which was sent to Muselphiem... so instead of sending them to Asgard, bring them back here (to Nidavellir).
Also, an action to be ready at arms for the army back at Asgard. We aren't going to war, but we shall be prepared for a war on Asgard.

Here can you make the Thor fighting action like this?
-[] Join Thor in the fight (Loki is down to 23 Martial)
--[] Cast enchantments of Speed on Loki.
--[] Play the fight smart, Thor is enraged after knowing what Morpheus did to his parents. Be on the lookout for any trick the bot is going to play.

For all we know Morpheus has the Sceptre with him. And might use it on Thor, at an opportune time
Another problem is Thanos had the infinity stones in the MCU and never created Ultron. Why did he suddenly make it I'm this quest. Loki did nothing to make him look for the infinity stone and create Ultron.
 
Yup. Though the 1/5th force in PF is the same force which was sent to Muselphiem... so instead of sending them to Asgard, bring them back here (to Nidavellir).
Also, an action to be ready at arms for the army back at Asgard. We aren't going to war, but we shall be prepared for a war on Asgard.

Here can you make the Thor fighting action like this?
-[] Join Thor in the fight (Loki is down to 23 Martial)
--[] Cast enchantments of Speed on Loki.
--[] Play the fight smart, Thor is enraged after knowing what Morpheus did to his parents. Be on the lookout for any trick the bot is going to play.

For all, we know Morpheus has the Sceptre with him. And might use it on Thor, at an opportune time

EDIT: @Red Bovine What do you reckon Thor would do after the fight? Push for a campaign against Thanos? You should also consider this.
Added. In regards to Thor we can just tell him that we are planning to attack Titan next turn. Though Odin may probably be up at the start of next turn thanks to the serum. That or he may be too injured from the fight to do anything for a while.
 
Another problem is Thanos had the infinity stones in the MCU and never created Ultron. Why did he suddenly make it I'm this quest. Loki did nothing to make him look for the infinity stone and create Ultron.
Yea.. Well, we can keep on making assessments on Thanos, but that is not going to get us somewhere.
P.S I am down with a fever and apparently someone broke into my apartment mailbox... So, I won't be here for a couple of hours (to reply) or until tomorrow (to reply).

Added. In regards to Thor we can just tell him that we are planning to attack Titan next turn. Though Odin may probably be up at the start of next turn thanks to the serum. That or he may be too injured from the fight to do anything for a while.
Well, could be. Are we sure that Odin would wake up next turn? coz I understand Odin healing from the serum, but waking up from the Odinsleep?
 
Another problem is Thanos had the infinity stones in the MCU and never created Ultron. Why did he suddenly make it I'm this quest. Loki did nothing to make him look for the infinity stone and create Ultron.

Loki showed him it was possible to build rather than destroy to save Titan. So he looked for resources to build off of.

Due to the MCU not telling us where the Mind Stone is, I always had it (even in the other quest) being a relic of Titan's. A treasure of sort, that no one really knew what it was. Due to looking for resources, Thanos took that relic and studied it and made an AI to steal from Loki's customers, customers of PF.

So Loki was his actual motivation to do so.

he stealth tech is something that you brought into this equation. Level of tech that completely bypassed Heimdall (and if his words are to be believed, he felt some disturbance before the attack) and his Omni-Senses.
"The Gatekeeper can see a single drop of dewfall from a blade of grass a thousand worlds away."
The only thing from the movies, that could somewhat bypass Heimdall's sense were the Dark Elve's Ark. And they had the tech made after studying Aether, Reality Stone, for years. They are in the MCU one of the oldest species. And you gave Titan the level of tech equal to them, without there being any evidence to support that Titan was this advance in level.

Unless you are making the alien metal standard on Titan and give it to Thanos, just like you gave away an Infinity Stone to Thanos so early... then yea, you could have done it. Kudos for not doing it and ruining the quest for the players.

Yup, after recovering for a decade after nearly being starved to death. The Titan had the resources to fund a mercenary force, twice, and not spend it on other stuff. Also, after having sanctions placed on them, that are heavily respected by whole universe. Titan is still able to fund another mercenary force and is ready to take on Asgard (thank you Morpheus for feeding the poor Titans).

Ultron doesn't match Thor. His body which is made of Vibranium, which holds the property of absorbing Kinetic Energy, is what allows Ultron to survive Thor.

The thing is we are seeing others around us getting strong, and not us. That is what is bewildering the player, and making them antagonistic towards you. It's certainly not your problem or your mistake. It's just how things are.

It's common to put AI servers in an android's head and not in its chest. Where controls to various body movements and weaponry are placed. Once the head is separated... well the control over the android body is lost. You again pulled a quick one over us by making the android survive... by whatever logic or reasoning you used.

Man, only a crazy person would have accepted the redo.

Tbf the stealth tech doesn't even factor. They truly took out Heimdall by other means. I had actually forgotten all about that. And Loki's illusions also bypassed Heimdall.

Actually yeah. MCU didn't give any basis for it, so the super metal Thanos had was pretty much just going to be Titan standard.

Titan DOESN'T have the resources. That's a big plot point. Thanos had to use tech to steal it. The new army's just robots they made, courtesy of stealing resources and having an AI to run it.

And Ultron kinda...beat Thor's ass in the movie. Like it's arguable that Thor let him but...the Vibranium never came into account. Thor never even hit him.

And like...no effort is being put into making Loki strong. And still I'm allowing and giving things to help Asgard (and thus Loki) out. And with Ultron...generally his head doesn't seem to be the thing to take him out. Almost ever. That's why the decision was made.

The redo was like...idk from the way I've played quests/cyoa, a redo is fairly common in the form of another life. And usually it's a godsend, because you can make the right decisions. Like people I discuss the quest with were basically saying that it was going to be too easy to just win for Asgard because you now knew the targets. And I did/offered it mostly to fit into Thanos' character tbh. But it wasn't taken so... 🤷‍♂️
 
we should let Odin deal with with Titan and Thanos while we build up our own resources and get more armies like the Outriders. And maybe become the king of the Skrull as they are starting to lose there Vs the Kree. And when Odin call on us to help deal with Titan and Thanos, we are gonna do everything we can to help
 
Tbf the stealth tech doesn't even factor. They truly took out Heimdall by other means. I had actually forgotten all about that. And Loki's illusions also bypassed Heimdall.

Actually yeah. MCU didn't give any basis for it, so the super metal Thanos had was pretty much just going to be Titan standard.

Titan DOESN'T have the resources. That's a big plot point. Thanos had to use tech to steal it. The new army's just robots they made, courtesy of stealing resources and having an AI to run it.

And Ultron kinda...beat Thor's ass in the movie. Like it's arguable that Thor let him but...the Vibranium never came into account. Thor never even hit him.

And like...no effort is being put into making Loki strong. And still I'm allowing and giving things to help Asgard (and thus Loki) out. And with Ultron...generally his head doesn't seem to be the thing to take him out. Almost ever. That's why the decision was made.

The redo was like...idk from the way I've played quests/cyoa, a redo is fairly common in the form of another life. And usually it's a godsend, because you can make the right decisions. Like people I discuss the quest with were basically saying that it was going to be too easy to just win for Asgard because you now knew the targets. And I did/offered it mostly to fit into Thanos' character tbh. But it wasn't taken so... 🤷‍♂️
Can you elaborate the Heimdall thing?
And well Loki has one personal action every year and things take priority.
we should let Odin deal with with Titan and Thanos while we build up our own resources and get more armies like the Outriders. And maybe become the king of the Skrull as they are starting to lose there Vs the Kree. And when Odin call on us to help deal with Titan and Thanos, we are gonna do everything we can to help
Let's not. No more King of something or other for a couple of decades.
 
we should let Odin deal with with Titan and Thanos while we build up our own resources and get more armies like the Outriders. And maybe become the king of the Skrull as they are starting to lose there Vs the Kree. And when Odin call on us to help deal with Titan and Thanos, we are gonna do everything we can to help
We at least need to interrupt his research so Odin doesn't go in to a situation where Ultron plus an unmolested Titan army and artifact tech. Even if the Chitari fail their will be casualties and we gain knowledge of Titans defenses for planning. How do we know what to plan for if we don't at least test their defenses. The army that is sent is supposed to perform essentially hit and run. Destroy important locations run to the next. It forces the army and Thanos to chase, no direct confrontation.
 
Loki showed him it was possible to build rather than destroy to save Titan. So he looked for resources to build off of.
Then why are his forces attacking?!

QM, right now you are like one of those content creators that refuses to take constructive criticism and claims that any fault a person might find is somehow their fault and not your own. And in a quest setting, that's not a good thing.

Seriously, how is it that I just joined and already I'm sick of your shit?
 
Then why are his forces attacking?!

QM, right now you are like one of those content creators that refuses to take constructive criticism and claims that any fault a person might find is somehow their fault and not your own. And in a quest setting, that's not a good thing.

Seriously, how is it that I just joined and already I'm sick of your shit?
The answer he gave is Thanos is crazy and he was always crazy even before the destruction of Titan. This is why I don't understand why people are scared of attacking him. We can't predict him so attacking him or not attacking him won't change anything. He will do the same thing whatever we do.
 
You think if we ask for a momentary cease fire and go on a vacation sign for 3-4 turns Thanos will oblige? I wanna study chitauri culture, maybe playfully banter politics with the Sovereign.

I just want a few more turns before this Loki's inevitable death.
 
This isn't starting anything he has already started it. Another thing is how is Thanos supposed to know this was Loki unless you tell him. You seem to be ignoring the benefits if failure being testing their defenses with something we can get back in one turn. This will give us info on what to prepare for in the next 5 yrs. How are we planning without info?

Again we are using Thanos's favorite tactic against him.
Because Thanos is not stupid. An attack out of nowhere is likely going to be attributed to Asgard considering our relations and a freaking prince just last turn. That and we are literally having said mercs watching over our things. He'd have to be an idiot to not consider Asgard behind the attack.

Another thing is that even with our current relationship with Thanos we still aren't in open war. Pulling a blatant attack is likely going to have him change his mind and if he decides to look for allies in Asgards enemies than that is a huge freaking problem since he has the flames.

You're arguments are pretty much ignoring my points in that Thanos is still limited thanks to our sanctions and our growth is actually way higher than his thanks to our resources. You seem to be completely blowing up how fast Titan can develop while completely ignoring Asgards many advantages and resources which vastly outstrip Titan. Not to mention that we already gathered a powerful ally in the form of the Nova corps and are still working on the Nine Realms bit.

You pretty much want to put us in a disadvantageous situation for likely little gain- and yes, considering that Titan is an advanced Civ and may just easily wipe out the fleet and drive Thanos to go full on war on Asgard once we've made such a blatant attack on his world using a freaking fleet.

And that's not taking into account that two of Asgards best warriors were already taken out and need time to recover and the fight isn't even over.

So basically you want to start a full on war even though we may end up with possibly Loki, Thor and Sif out of commission or even some of them dead which would leave Asgard weakened even further.

So going to state again, you seem pretty terrible at thinking things through and seeing multiple angles to situations due to your really bad habit of tunnel visioning and refusing to see things from other perspectives. Especially shown with the Muselheim bit where I pointed out the issues with that part of the plan.
 
Because Thanos is not stupid. An attack out of nowhere is likely going to be attributed to Asgard considering our relations and a freaking prince just last turn. That and we are literally having said mercs watching over our things. He'd have to be an idiot to not consider Asgard behind the attack.

Another thing is that even with our current relationship with Thanos we still aren't in open war. Pulling a blatant attack is likely going to have him change his mind and if he decides to look for allies in Asgards enemies than that is a huge freaking problem since he has the flames.

You're arguments are pretty much ignoring my points in that Thanos is still limited thanks to our sanctions and our growth is actually way higher than his thanks to our resources. You seem to be completely blowing up how fast Titan can develop while completely ignoring Asgards many advantages and resources which vastly outstrip Titan. Not to mention that we already gathered a powerful ally in the form of the Nova corps and are still working on the Nine Realms bit.

You pretty much want to put us in a disadvantageous situation for likely little gain- and yes, considering that Titan is an advanced Civ and may just easily wipe out the fleet and drive Thanos to go full on war on Asgard once we've made such a blatant attack on his world using a freaking fleet.

And that's not taking into account that two of Asgards best warriors were already taken out and need time to recover and the fight isn't even over.

So basically you want to start a full on war even though we may end up with possibly Loki, Thor and Sif out of commission or even some of them dead which would leave Asgard weakened even further.

So going to state again, you seem pretty terrible at thinking things through and seeing multiple angles to situations due to your really bad habit of tunnel visioning and refusing to see things from other perspectives. Especially shown with the Muselheim bit where I pointed out the issues with that part of the plan.
The fact Thanos sees us behind the attack in at most a minor factor.

Thanks has blatantly attacked us himself, attempted to assassinate our king and queen, has stolen and is in possession of Asgard's equipment, he has so but outright declared war. @Darkcore41 is trying to recover those items before he realises what they are.

Despite how apparently slow they develop, we have always come off worst from every interaction with Titan.

The only reason I am going with your plan right now is the same with your only point. This battle may put strong fighters out of commission. It seems less like he doesn't hear arguments as much as you refuse to accept that we need to deal with him in some manner.
 
Then why are his forces attacking?!

QM, right now you are like one of those content creators that refuses to take constructive criticism and claims that any fault a person might find is somehow their fault and not your own. And in a quest setting, that's not a good thing.

Seriously, how is it that I just joined and already I'm sick of your shit?

This was explained already. Thanos is insane. So in his attempt to help Loki and ally with him, he staged an attack on Asgard so he could jump in and help. Along the way, maybe Heimdall is killed or the Bifrost is destroyed, or he gets something from the vault. A crazy man's win-win. But then the attacked worked really well due to no Thor, Warrior's Three, Sif, or Odin. So Thanos eventually revealed his ploy and still saw himself as helping Loki.

Since then he hasn't attacked, but did ask Loki to remove the sanctions he put on Titan and to not attack him again (because Thor did). Loki didn't remove the sanctions, so he responded with this and the other action of stealing from Asgard and attempting to kill Odin, a possible threat to him.

As for criticism, this quest is run totally different due to criticisms. So that would be factually incorrect. I'm only explaining my side.

And the last part....

Sounds like a you problem tbh.
 
Because Thanos is not stupid. An attack out of nowhere is likely going to be attributed to Asgard considering our relations and a freaking prince just last turn. That and we are literally having said mercs watching over our things. He'd have to be an idiot to not consider Asgard behind the attack.

Another thing is that even with our current relationship with Thanos we still aren't in open war. Pulling a blatant attack is likely going to have him change his mind and if he decides to look for allies in Asgards enemies than that is a huge freaking problem since he has the flames.

You're arguments are pretty much ignoring my points in that Thanos is still limited thanks to our sanctions and our growth is actually way higher than his thanks to our resources. You seem to be completely blowing up how fast Titan can develop while completely ignoring Asgards many advantages and resources which vastly outstrip Titan. Not to mention that we already gathered a powerful ally in the form of the Nova corps and are still working on the Nine Realms bit.

You pretty much want to put us in a disadvantageous situation for likely little gain- and yes, considering that Titan is an advanced Civ and may just easily wipe out the fleet and drive Thanos to go full on war on Asgard once we've made such a blatant attack on his world using a freaking fleet.

And that's not taking into account that two of Asgards best warriors were already taken out and need time to recover and the fight isn't even over.

So basically you want to start a full on war even though we may end up with possibly Loki, Thor and Sif out of commission or even some of them dead which would leave Asgard weakened even further.

So going to state again, you seem pretty terrible at thinking things through and seeing multiple angles to situations due to your really bad habit of tunnel visioning and refusing to see things from other perspectives. Especially shown with the Muselheim bit where I pointed out the issues with that part of the plan.
You are making many assumptions right now. Did you jump to the assumption that it was Thanos when he first attacked and stole our stuff. Also I'd Asgard the only one that can hire the chitari. You think you can predict Thanos and your reasoning is retaliation. Well as seen this turn we don't have to attack for retaliation. Also stop basically eanking Thanos and making him an all knowing god.

Edit: @DreamCWeaver We have medics at Asgard after the fight and a serum to help healing. So that won't be an issue.
 
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