What's stopping his caim is he doesn't know he has it and no way to verify it without Odin or Laundry.
LokiQuest: Re-Reshape and Retry (CK2)
- Thread starter Black King
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We're waking up Odin right? We're also planning on visiting the treasury, bala bing, bala bong, casket of winter ultimate frost giant buff.
@Kufufu
Loki: Why do you abandon me pops
Laufey:
After this we need a political marriage either to Amora or Sigyn. Amora gives connections to nornheim and it hitches her to Asgard assuring her loyalty but I really like Sigyn's loyalty and she would maybe bring more stability.
The reason why I broach this topic is there is no way Thor becomes king of Asgard after him being gone during this debacle.
The reason why I broach this topic is there is no way Thor becomes king of Asgard after him being gone during this debacle.
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Ok, hold your horses.
Thor is a twentieth the age he was in Thor 1, and Thor isn't an "old man" in Asguard; to put this in perspective, a twentieth the age of an 80 year old man is 4.
Amora? Why not Lorelei? Aren't they sisters? — Also, see above.
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Do you mean now or in the future?
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I believe that Loki would be made the Regent as the reward for clearing this arc. *Looks at @KnowledgeKing *
Sena Kumo
The Tenth Wandering Cloud
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Oh, but there is something stopping him alright. One, the people of Jotunheim themselves, who I can't see in any shape or form giving up their own king who has been ruling them for millenia without some fucking insane roll (what would be the DC for that @KnowledgeKing?) for a new kid. Said kid who they know jack-shit about except for the fact that he was raised in the kingdom they hate with absolute and complete vehemence, completely wrecked their shit in a war not even two centuries ago so fucking badly that they will take a long time for them to recover and also took their equivalent of the crown jewels as a final fuck you.
Two, waka waka, the fucking king himself. What will make the guy let the new kid just come over and take his shit? Said kid he fucking left to die because he was too small, disinheriting him in the process. Your comparison is also wrong. Loki doesn't have the rights for the mansion. He had until daddy dearest made the metaphorical equivalent of removing his name from the will for he wanted to. What Loki can do however is take it by force because he wants to, not the "it's my birthright" crap, because if there is one thing Odin was right, was that his birthright was to die. That is what Laufey gave Loki. Death. Not a shiny throne, not a loving mother, not the annoying older brother or anything called Asgard. What Laufey gave to Loki was Death in a fucking shitty temple, alone.
P.S: Has Jotunheim recovered from the ass-whooping @KnowledgeKing? If they did, did PF accelerated the process?
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Is it bad that this makes me wanna have Loki walk into Jotunheim tossding cash all the way, and just buy the planet out from under him. I hear planetary minigolf is a unique area of equity.
Sena Kumo
The Tenth Wandering Cloud
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Pffft, please. Buy Nidavellir instead, then we tell the Dwarves to build us our own Death Star. Titan and the rest would probably behave after...
Now while we are weak and Odin is asleep.
@Shark8 The reason why I chose Amora over Lorelei is Amora's connections and her being more magically gifted. Plus Amora doesn't use her abilities on allies. she is only a glory hound without any long term planning ability, making her easy to reign in. Lorelei on the other hand would try for more power and have to be smacked down. She is power hungry and plans long term making her dangerous and if this Thanos arc has thought I'd anything people don't change no matter what. Amora can at least collar her sister as well and give a link that ensures loyalty.
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But then how will we walk by our destitute bio-dad, sipping from the casket of winters, swigging the wine before spitting it back in, tossing the casket in eternal flames and complaining about it being too hot.
I know this might never happen.
But I want it so bad.
Sena Kumo
The Tenth Wandering Cloud
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That's what Omakes are for, young one.
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If we're going by the hated by the kingdom argument, same could be said for Asgard. Loki is the race of the enemy. A hated enemy of Asgard. There's literally no way of him getting the throne of Asgard whatseover except for ridiculous rolls. You're telling me Loki should give up his claim because he's considered disabled?
Two, flacka flacka. Think about it from this perspective. HOW did Odin know Loki was the son of Laufey? Are we actually sure that loki was ABANDONED? And not KIDNAPPED? How would Odin know that a frost giant runt is the son of Laufey? If Laufey abandoned Loki in shame, would he proclaim it for all to know? Finding Loki in a safe temple after a massive battle against the defending frost giants. For all we know Loki could've been put there for his safety.
Loki's sole purpose was to become the future puppet king of Jotunheim. He has a claim to the throne, and I don't see a valid reason as to why his claim is revoked.
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I genuinely believe that the merc is lying. This is something that I've been thinking about and would like to put it out right here.
Reason 1: Time/Call. Thanos made a call asking the leader to stand down. But not five minutes later we encounter him walking towards us claiming that he has carved Odin and Frigga, and has some liquid medicine that would save them from immediate death. But medical treatment would still be necessary.
He did all this (Hurt Frigga and Odin, meticulously because 'Asgardians are hard to kill.') and moved from the chambers to the outside of the palace within the time it took us to run from Thanos to him.
Reason2: Medicine is not real. How did the merc get hands-on medicine for Asgardians? Their whole biology is different and unique, who would even have medicine for Asgardians?
Reason 3: Betrayal? The most confusing part about this merc? He carved into Odin and Frigga to secure his retreat and force Loki to make a choice. This merc knew he was going on a suicide run. And when he lost his whole company, instead of running (though can't blame him Frigga and he were fighting), he stayed to hurt the King and Queen of Asgard... Even when Thanos called it off. Instead of escaping and taking the weapons with him, he stayed to harm Odin and Frigga and make Loki suffer.
The best part? Thanos doesn't even know that the merc did this.
@KnowledgeKing Am I right in my observations? Or the whole thing is just stupid?
Reason 1: Time/Call. Thanos made a call asking the leader to stand down. But not five minutes later we encounter him walking towards us claiming that he has carved Odin and Frigga, and has some liquid medicine that would save them from immediate death. But medical treatment would still be necessary.
He did all this (Hurt Frigga and Odin, meticulously because 'Asgardians are hard to kill.') and moved from the chambers to the outside of the palace within the time it took us to run from Thanos to him.
Reason2: Medicine is not real. How did the merc get hands-on medicine for Asgardians? Their whole biology is different and unique, who would even have medicine for Asgardians?
Reason 3: Betrayal? The most confusing part about this merc? He carved into Odin and Frigga to secure his retreat and force Loki to make a choice. This merc knew he was going on a suicide run. And when he lost his whole company, instead of running (though can't blame him Frigga and he were fighting), he stayed to hurt the King and Queen of Asgard... Even when Thanos called it off. Instead of escaping and taking the weapons with him, he stayed to harm Odin and Frigga and make Loki suffer.
The best part? Thanos doesn't even know that the merc did this.
@KnowledgeKing Am I right in my observations? Or the whole thing is just stupid?
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THANK YOU
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1. You're in the palace about a few hundred meters away from Odin's room.
2. Could just be general medicine that works on everyone.
3. Maybe he thought this would help him escape. Or maybe he's spiteful.
Never know.
In one roll? Probably 1000+
No not yet.
He doesn't have an army now...
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hmm would anyone object to me updating now...
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Everyone who can put your points towards the martial opposing roll we need that one shot
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Eh I'm tired enough and not a quick enough response...I'll just wait until tomorrow.
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I would love if you put us out of our misery. But I digress, let's do this tomorrow. I need sleep.
1. The first point is about how the Merc carved up Odin and Frigga, folks with Superhumanly Dense Tissue and Superhuman Durability, from the time it took Thanos to call off the attack and now.
Only with magic such feat would be achievable.
2. A general medicine that closes up the wounds or restore blood, I am assuming here. And it works on all species (Asgardian and Vanir). Umm... This must be some kind of 'Elixir of Life' not general medicine.
3. Was he dropped as a child. He could have secured his escape if he didn't stop to harm Odin and Frigga. He could have easily escape with 3 legendary weapons, but for shits and giggles he stayed to do that. *smh*
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Well, I'd think for Sigyn it'd be a normal marriage. Though, if Thor's mind boggling absence is a cause to prevent him from getting the throne- Loki is the cause of the debacle.
Considering how there will be more trap options with no information in the future, serious thought should be put into making Loki's actions limited to only interactions with beings and areas that OOC we know are safe.
In this quest, risk vs benefits- the risks are high, the failures high, and successes limited (and also potentially the source of larger failures.)
Edit: funny enough, I called Thor's actions mind boggling. But, if Loki had done nothing for the past few turns but eat grapes, Asgard would have been better off. All the time we spent discussing what moves to make, plans,etc. And it would have been better if we had Loki just stay in his room, train, and did nothing else.
Considering how there will be more trap options with no information in the future, serious thought should be put into making Loki's actions limited to only interactions with beings and areas that OOC we know are safe.
In this quest, risk vs benefits- the risks are high, the failures high, and successes limited (and also potentially the source of larger failures.)
Edit: funny enough, I called Thor's actions mind boggling. But, if Loki had done nothing for the past few turns but eat grapes, Asgard would have been better off. All the time we spent discussing what moves to make, plans,etc. And it would have been better if we had Loki just stay in his room, train, and did nothing else.
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Sena Kumo
The Tenth Wandering Cloud
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Nope, it it can't be said the same because unlike Jotunheim, Asgard knows us, so while though the relationship might end up strained there is at least the chance of them giving us the benefit of the doubt. And we were also adopted by their king, so there is that too. And again, there is no claim for Loki anymore, Laufey pretty much decided that. That's like saying that Hela is the rightful ruler of Asgard wether Odin, the king himself, wants that or not, and more importantly, the citizens who didn't even knew her save for the old ones.
...that is literally canon. The QM has made it canon in the quest too. Are we really going to argue about that this late in the game? You know what? Fine, I'll ask him myself. HEY @KnowledgeKing, was Loki abandoned by Laufey at the temple to die?
Considering Odin is somewhat above Laufey, he would probably put Loki there by force.
Now that's just cold. While Odin wishes for Loki to become king of Jotunheim, he also genuinelly didn't want for the poor baby to die because his biological father was a shithead. And again, Laufey for all intents and purposes took our name from the will. He will decided who will be his sucessor unless the throne is taken from him by force.
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