Also Thanos according to the QM planned all of this in 2 turns. So what preparations, he will get so much rep the Frost and fire Giants will probably go to him just to finish the job after Asgards preceved weakness.

EDIT: He also has his army close by so he could push this to finish if he wants to.
 
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I understand Red. But you are making statements like we will get Thor and his group back, or that Odin will wake up in the following months and you will take the fight to Thanos with him and Thor, and assumptions like there are other Dark Magic users on Asgards or it would take Thanos time to be ready for another war.
Alright that's fair. That said there is a reason I asked if there were other dark magic users.
No, Thanos hired merc for war. He still has a whole planet worth of resources. The Titan military still exists.
While true seems like Thanos still spent quite a bit of resources on this and even then mobilizing an army doesn't seem like it would be something he can just do quickly.
Why don't you straight up ask QM this stuff?
I didn't directly ask the QM to see if it was brought up in thread already because I want to avoid badgering the QM with questions that seems like they may have already answered.

@KnowledgeKing Does Asgard have ships with interstellar travel? How long would it take Thanos to launch an invasion on Asgard that would have reasonable chances to be successful?
 
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Look guys, I know we"re all pssed off abiut the situation. It's the Odin v. Hela debate all over again. But we the tools set out before us. The qm's confirmed Thanos wants to brain slurp Odin. That means if he has even the smallest foresight, Odin wont be killed by his men.

If we can get the mindstone and use it to pre-awaken him, we can get him to the armory and hopefully turn this around. Even if he's without the Odinforce, his spear should be able to utilize the destroyer or the Bifrost and pick up the slack. If we let him go there's a chance that we lose one of the three weapons for good. An enemy with immediate access to the Bifrost/Odinforce is not something we should risk, especially not Thanos having them.
 
Alright that's fair. That said there is a reason I asked if there were other dark magic users.

While true seems like Thanos still spent quite a bit of resources on this and even then mobilizing an army doesn't seem like it would be something he can just do quickly.

I didn't directly ask the QM to see if it was brought up in thread already because I want to avoid badgering the QM with questions that seems like they may have already answered.

@KnowledgeKing Does Asgard have ships with interstellar travel? How long would it take Thanos to launch an invasion on Asgard that would have reasonable chances to be successful?
The QM said he was using money he stole from PF customers and the money he borrowed was to cover that up. So he didn't spend that much resources because that is Loki's money.
 
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Another option open to us is conquering Jotenheim by claiming Loki's birthright which would not only remove a threat but give Asgard another ally.

We will never successfully rule Jotanheim, we lack the power base to rule forcefully, nor can we count on Asgard to press our claim if the Bifrost is lost. We dont have any goodwill from the native's of Jotanheim, we aren't a native (face it, we are Asgardian in every way that matters) we know the culture but find it reprehensible and our money will only go so far in helping us take or more importantly keep the planet.

Give up on Jotanheim, give up on "accepting our culture" and give up on ice magic, we are out of slots for that thanks to forging so we cant learn it, we are Loki Odinson of Asgard not Loki Unwantedson of Jotanheim.
 
We will never successfully rule Jotanheim, we lack the power base to rule forcefully, nor can we count on Asgard to press our claim if the Bifrost is lost. We dont have any goodwill from the native's of Jotanheim, we aren't a native (face it, we are Asgardian in every way that matters) we know the culture but find it reprehensible and our money will only go so far in helping us take or more importantly keep the planet.

Give up on Jotanheim, give up on "accepting our culture" and give up on ice magic, we are out of slots for that thanks to forging so we cant learn it, we are Loki Odinson of Asgard not Loki Unwantedson of Jotanheim.
Just because you declare something doesn't make it so. Odin took Loki in for literally the exact reason of bridging the two worlds. Hell, the QM outright stated it as a possibility. So you can't just go 'nu huh' just because you don't like the idea.
 
Just because you declare something doesn't make it so. Odin took Loki in for literally the exact reason of bridging the two worlds. Hell, the QM outright stated it as a possibility. So you can't just go 'nu huh' just because you don't like the idea.
No what he is saying is Odin isn't here to enforce that nor is Asgard so it won't stick. In Odin's plan he would essentially install a puppet king to rule Jotunheim.
 
We will never successfully rule Jotanheim, we lack the power base to rule forcefully, nor can we count on Asgard to press our claim if the Bifrost is lost. We dont have any goodwill from the native's of Jotanheim, we aren't a native (face it, we are Asgardian in every way that matters) we know the culture but find it reprehensible and our money will only go so far in helping us take or more importantly keep the planet.

Give up on Jotanheim, give up on "accepting our culture" and give up on ice magic, we are out of slots for that thanks to forging so we cant learn it, we are Loki Odinson of Asgard not Loki Unwantedson of Jotanheim.
Nothing is impossible. All that matters is the rolls.

You guys chose not to press your claim on jotunheim and look what happened? You got curbstomped by youngling Thanos.
Loki Laufeyson's gonna happen, no more Loki Boringson cissy loser of Asgard.
 
Nothing is impossible. All that matters is the rolls.

You guys chose not to press your claim on jotunheim and look what happened? You got curbstomped by youngling Thanos.
Loki Laufeyson's gonna happen, no more Loki Boringson cissy loser of Asgard.
And what does not getting Jotunheim has to do with Thanos? In fact, why Jotunheim especifically? Why not Vanaheim?
 
@KnowledgeKing Does Asgard have ships with interstellar travel? How long would it take Thanos to launch an invasion on Asgard that would have reasonable chances to be successful?

Yes.

It's...not really possible to successfully invade and conquer Asgard. So hard to tell. Not something he'd do anytime soon as long as Odin's alive.
 
Nothing is impossible. All that matters is the rolls.

You guys chose not to press your claim on jotunheim and look what happened? You got curbstomped by youngling Thanos.
Loki Laufeyson's gonna happen, no more Loki Boringson cissy loser of Asgard.
How does that relate, I want you to really explain how those dots connect. We would have to figure out our heritage have Odin back us up or be powerful enough to do it ourselves. The only way to avoid this would buy another planet and have the meeting there and even then we don't know if the QM will put it in Asgard anyway because it makes sense to him.

Edit: Even if he doesn't invade Asgard we can't let him cripple Asgard so badly that it's enemies gets ideas.

Edit: Also he said it is impossible to conquor not raid. He could still come in and take the vault, loot and leave. @Red Bovine

Will Thanos still raid the library and vault with his army? @KnowledgeKing
 
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Just because you declare something doesn't make it so. Odin took Loki in for literally the exact reason of bridging the two worlds. Hell, the QM outright stated it as a possibility. So you can't just go 'nu huh' just because you don't like the idea.

I dont know if you noticed but the situation has changed since Odin adopted us.
The plan was to have an Asgardian raised Loki become king (really govenor) of a subjugated Jotanheim, thus ensuring the loyalty of their head of state and minimizing culture clash where it matter's.

Now two of the nine realms are in open rebellion, Asgard is at war with Titan, Heimdall the immortal watcher is dead with no successor, the Bifrost has been lost (leaving asgard cut off from its territorys and unable to move its forces) the army has been shattered, powerful artifacts including the spear of the king (basically the crown) stolen and the two heads of state and our High General may or may not be dead by the time this is over.

If we are in a strong enough position to hypothetically rule over Jotanheim after this then it would be far more reasonable AP wise and in character to shatter the planet using the bifrost(along with Muspleheim) ending the rebellion and a huge security risk in two fell swoops.
 
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How does that relate, I want you to really explain how those dots connect. We would have to figure out our heritage have Odin back us up or be powerful enough to do it ourselves. The only way to avoid this would buy another planet and have the meeting there and even then we don't know if the QM will put it in Asgard anyway because it makes sense to him.
Actually, if we had laimed the right to Jotunheim and successfully campaigned, we might not have had to deal with a portion ogof enemy forces. If we did succeed in eliminating the ice giant forces we could probably use the Casket of Winters with out the fear of it being turned around.

@Kufufu actually we're quite lucky as the planets aren't actually rebelling so much as Thanos just picking scraps to head and fight Asgard.
 
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Yes.

It's...not really possible to successfully invade and conquer Asgard. So hard to tell. Not something he'd do anytime soon as long as Odin's alive.
So we do in fact have ships with interstellar travel so that won't be an issue. Also we got confirmation that Thanos is not going to invade Asgard anytime soon as long as Odin is alive. So losing the sword isn't as big a blow as people assumed it would be and Thanos somehow escaping doesn't automatically lead to a way right away.
 
And what does not getting Jotunheim has to do with Thanos? In fact, why Jotunheim especifically? Why not Vanaheim?
Jotunheim, vanaheim, bla bla land whatever doesn't really matter, as long as it's a planet, jotunheim specifically because of the fact that Loki has a claim on it making it even easier. Disregarding that, you'd remove an enemy race and gain asgard an ally if you think about it. AND you gain more options to pick from.
 
So we do in fact have ships with interstellar travel so that won't be an issue. Also we got confirmation that Thanos is not going to invade Asgard anytime soon as long as Odin is alive. So losing the sword isn't as big a blow as people assumed it would be and Thanos somehow escaping doesn't automatically lead to a way right away.
Ok we have ships but no way to track Thor and Asgards dominance us based on the Odin Force, Hemdall and the bifrost. All 3 are gone so it is a big blow to Asgard. We lost instantaneous peace keeping for slow ships, this is a logistics nightmare.
 
Edit: Even if he doesn't invade Asgard we can't let him cripple Asgard so badly that it's enemies gets ideas.

Edit: Also he said it is impossible to conquor not raid. He could still come in and take the vault, loot and leave. @Red Bovine

Will Thanos still raid the library and vault with his army? @KnowledgeKing
I noticed that anytime your current reason for something you are pushing for doesn't work you will immediately try/grasp to find something else to try to justify it. And as mentioned he is pretty much either going to be killed by the remaining forces or forced to leave so not much else Thanos can do at the moment.
 
Jotunheim, vanaheim, bla bla land whatever doesn't really matter, as long as it's a planet, jotunheim specifically because of the fact that Loki has a claim on it making it even easier.

Loki has no actual legal claim on Jotanheim as he was left for dead the moment after his birth, that's about as final as you can get when you disinherit someone.
 
Loki has no actual legal claim on Jotanheim as he was left for dead the moment after his birth, that's about as final as you can get when you disinherit someone.
Loki is a royal, he's not dead, I don't see what's stopping him from pressing his claim. If you had the rights to a mansion, debt free, no money needed, would you not take it? It's there for grabs.

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Will Thanos still raid the library and vault with his army?
Not Likely. Thanos is all alone on Asgard.

I noticed that anytime your current reason for something you are pushing for doesn't work you will immediately try/grasp to find something else to try to justify it. And as mentioned he is pretty much either going to be killed by the remaining forces or forced to leave so not much else Thanos can do at the moment.
Oi, low it mate. He is bringing up genuine questions.
I mean we know that QM won't throw another curveball at us so soon. But out of the Nine Realms, Asgard only has friends in Vanahiem and Midgard.
Thanos is still running amok Asgard. We don't know what his priorities are? It could be anything from escaping to raiding the treasury. Let him ask the QM.
 
Ok we have ships but no way to track Thor and Asgards dominance us based on the Odin Force, Hemdall and the bifrost. All 3 are gone so it is a big blow to Asgard. We lost instantaneous peace keeping for slow ships, this is a logistics nightmare.
Did the Bifrost actually a major part of our dominance or are you just making assumptions again? Also Odin should still have the Odin force. Also think you might be underestimating the speed of our ships and forgetting that Asgard is still one of the most advanced civs in the universe and that we still have Odin and Thor along with the rest of Asgards resources.
If we are in a strong enough position to hypothetically rule over Jotanheim after this then it would be far more reasonable AP wise and in character to shatter the planet using the bifrost(along with Muspleheim) ending the rebellion and a huge security risk in two fell swoops.
Can people not suggest casual genocide? It's pretty fucked up, what with including innocent people like non combatants and children to death, especially since not only is Loki an Ice Giant but Odin would be heavily against it. Also you could get in serious trouble with the Mods for suggesting genocide.
 
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Ok we have ships but no way to track Thor and Asgards dominance us based on the Odin Force, Hemdall and the bifrost. All 3 are gone so it is a big blow to Asgard. We lost instantaneous peace keeping for slow ships, this is a logistics nightmare.
Yes, but it's an interesting situation to have to dig ourselves out of... and that is going have major impacts in the future.

I mean we know that QM won't throw another curveball at us so soon.
Do we?
Do we really?

I wouldn't be opposed to the QM butterflying off of this; is is, after all, a radical departure from the canon timeline... and there's a lot that could be done with it.
 
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