Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
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Confused Thanagarians spying on Renka and Jimmy and not having a clue what they're talking about because they lack a ton of context is something I'm quite enjoying.
Life Ore Death - DC Feruchemy [Young Justice]
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Krazyfan1
Worrying for the future.
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Brilliant!
Nice to see all the theories and stuff from other cultures...
and you're bringing in Lucifer stuff, neat!
i think there was a typo somewhere, or someone said something, without it being shown who it was that was speaking, but i can't seem to find it again.
Nice to see all the theories and stuff from other cultures...
and you're bringing in Lucifer stuff, neat!
i think there was a typo somewhere, or someone said something, without it being shown who it was that was speaking, but i can't seem to find it again.
ScottotheUnwise
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uo -> up ?
Also, the names here suggest he might have been settling an argument between the actual space angels themselves. One of them had his wings stripped off like a 'fallen' angel. One was red and lizardlike, which could be taken as Satanic. Ebliss is the name of a Muslim spirit/ghost. Sammy -> Samael the neutral Angel and bartenders are notoriously neutral. Etc., Etc.
Jimmy was grabbed as a tiebreaker and ended up throwing a haymaker.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
That was Lucifer. Like, I was pretty sure when we heard about him being wingless, since that happened a bit before he started his nightclub. But Mazikeen put it beyond the shadow of a doubt. She's Lucifers true love, who loves him in turn. Not that that always means he treats her right, or something.
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Additionally, Olethros is a Greek word that's generally translated to Destruction, but it has slightly different connotations than that. It might be better translated to "Lostness". It's the destruction or havoc that is needed to renew. You lose what was, but there is still something after. Olethros was also one of the Mákhai, the spirits of combat and battle. He was specifically the spirit of the devastation after war.
But most importantly, it's the pseudonym that Destruction of the Endless currently uses.
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Also, Ebliss (or Ilbis) is commonly used as a Satan Analog, and is certainly one of the first of the Fallen, but his Sin was simply that he refused to bow to Adam and by extension mankind. He's actually a more neutral or at least ambivalent figure and in some traditions the reason he refused to bow to humanity wasn't arrogance from the fact that he was shaped from fire and humans mud, but rather that he loved The Creator too much and refused to worship or follow anything lesser.
Consider that he was given his flight back "to mislead humanity" but forbidden to interfere with true servants of The Creator. Because whether they know it or not, they are his equals.
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shepsquared
Erratic Aussie
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Man, most of what they were talking about is completely foreign to me. Which Abrahamic religion has the stuff about three spirits creating the universe?
Obloquy
CrossMyHeart And HopeToDie, StickANeedleInMyEye
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Part of that comes from IRL speaking with a pastor whose sermons I attended about the nature of the Trinity (Father, Son, & Holy Ghost), and noticing that in most versions of the Bible the Lord occasionally speaks in first person plural.
Genesis quotes from an online Bible:
1:26. Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness..."
2:22. And the Lord God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil."
It's not all the time, but occasionally.
That said, neither Renka nor Jimmy are professionally educated in theology, and what Jimmy said was mostly repeating what he thought he remembered from this incident at the nightclub, not what he was taught in Sunday School.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Yeah, it's sort of clear he was caught in a conversaion between the cosmic, and he was drunk. That's not a good combination for getting facts.
Though it might be for starting a new cult, or something.
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Thats odd, how do family names work here? Inherit the last name of a parent as your first?
That same guide that you were earlier confused because they weren't present?
Surprised that of all the human trivia she knows, that she never heard that conscription is a uncommon practice among humans.
I don't think you do either. There are a lot of possible wavelengths of light.
Those don't sound like the concerns of a theologian.
Fortunately humans have come up with the genius solution of killing the planet so that they'll never have to discover a new one again.
I think a lot of scholars interpret things like those as legacies of the religions development, as it went from a polytheistic religion and then a group who would become the hebrews broke off as a Monolatic religion saying "Yes all those gods exist, but we only worship YHWH" and then as more time passed they began to deny that the other gods of the predecessor religion existed at all becoming a true Monotheistic religion.
Monolatry - Wikipedia
ScottotheUnwise
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Touch US centric view. Mandatory service (aka conscription) out of high school for 2 yrs is common across South America. Google says Russia and China work similarly, along with 27 other countries. That would at least make it not uncommon.
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That's the problem with secondhand information
The Sandman
So Zetta Slowpoke
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Guessing the "Eblis" in question was Eblis O'Shaughnessy, who was created by five of the Endless to inform... someone in the necropolis for their kind that the first Dream was dead, and then retrieve the ceremonial shroud for his funeral.
mCooperative
meanderingCephalopod
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It is always fascinating when the Earth residents are the space aliens. That was great.
KillingYouNicely
I've seen things. They weren't really interesting.
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Hah. I just finished reading it all through after discovering it, and Wow I loved every bit of it. From everything to do with Renka, to the much needed intelligence boost of both the Light and the JL, the inclusion of the Endless, Gods old and New, the fragments of Anti-Life, every single magical system and now Lucy and his Nightclub?
I...wow. I can't even begin to cover it, but a stunned wow is the best I can offer. I'll be reading this till the last word, I guarantee it.
I...wow. I can't even begin to cover it, but a stunned wow is the best I can offer. I'll be reading this till the last word, I guarantee it.
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There are 197 (depending on how you count) countries in the world though. I think its fair to say that a bit more than 1/10 is uncommon. Not that I think statistics as a field contains definitions for words like that.
I'd like to hear where you draw the line if you disagree though.
Also it'd be a Europe centric world view since I'm British and was thinking of Switzerland as an exception.
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I mean, Renka did point out that the JL was USA-centric beforehand? IIRC most of the JL members live in the USA before the story started, including the extra-terrestrial members.
ScottotheUnwise
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Heh, Luxemburg is a country but I don't think it matters in terms of commonality of a thing worldwide.
I was really thinking in terms of world population. When both Russia and China are on the board to vs US and England, I would still have to point at common being like 80% and uncommon being 20% --which seems unlikely to be the case of either. I didn't see India listed so it still could be shifted toward one or the other view.
Meh. Not a story driven argument so I will bow out here. I am more interested in the chances that the "Book of Olsen" might be added to the religious writings if he isn't careful.
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I think you're having a different conversation to me and Scotto.
I would actually agree. Except China doesn't have conscription and hasn't since 1949 Conscription in China - Wikipedia
They have a draft like the US however you've already acknowledged that its not the same thing.
Not that theres any point to this if you're backing out. Book of Olsen is a funny idea but probably more of a crack thing, it sounds like there are already dozens of examples of Source/Silver City religions so at worst he'd be involved in a case study examining differences in the human expression of it.
Correct me if I am wrong, but Scotto complained about conscription being uncommon is US centric, and I pointed out that it makes sense, because until recently the JL itself was US centric (Hawkwoman and Hawkman also live in the US no? And they are the people supplying most if the Earth knowledge to Tharangar, apart from what the Green Lanterns shared).
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I'd completely forgotten about him. That makes sense, and would explain why he was with Destruction as opposed to being there with Lucifer and Maz. Thanks for bringing it up.
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Yes, but their sources Hawkwoman and Hawkman are presumably intelligent professionals who would have done actual research (or just downloaded a copy of whatever databases there are) rather than just asking people they see often if the person has ever been conscripted.
Download what database? Despite all the extra-terrestrial beings bumming on Earth it's not like the UN created some sort of tour-guide packet for visitors
. Hawkwoman and Hawkman are presumably busy with the JL stuff and didn't have the inclination to go around and study contemporary Earth culture on their free time.Like, M'gann who lives next door (in interstellar terms) got most of her knowledge about Earth from a 30 years old sitcom, so...
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Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
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Wikipedia, or the Earth-16 equivalent. You don't necessarily have to study that in order to have some very convenient information at your fingertips about pretty much any subject you could possibly need to know about Earth.
M'gann is also a teenager, and thus is not exactly known for intelligent decision-making.
Are you claiming that Wikipedia is a good source of information?
Even IRL Wikipedia info is fraught due to the agenda and nationality of those who edit the page and I see no reason to think that it's different in Earth-16. The problem is that Earth isn't unified and thus doesn't really have an accurate planet-wide source of info; like Renka remarked on that very thing when she told M'gann that her information about China is distorted due to the Jingoism inherent in the JL (whose predecessor was the Justice Society of America).
True, but her uncle is the one Martian who lives on Earth, so she has more access to information about Earthlings than some random Thangrians.
Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
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Are you claiming that Wikipedia is a good source of information?
Even IRL Wikipedia info is fraught due to the agenda and nationality of those who edit the page and I see no reason to think that it's different in Earth-16. The problem is that Earth isn't unified and thus doesn't really have an accurate planet-wide source of info; like Renka remarked on that very thing when she told M'gann that her information about China is distorted due to the Jingoism inherent in the JL (whose predecessor was the Justice Society of America).
I'm claiming that, because of the fact that it includes the sources, that Wikipedia is a good starting point if nothing else, since it gives you a bunch of resources on the exact topic you're looking for.
Theoretically she does. I used to live practically right next to Mexico and I didn't know a damn thing about it, so I find it quite plausible that M'gann never thought to ask, or that J'onn was forbidden from answering.