Life Ore Death - DC Feruchemy [Young Justice]

Lextendo? Really? They passed up the opportunity to have the Lex Box One for that?

Oh that reminds me, in a Jimmy Olsen storyline, Lexcorp put out the Superman video game.

Jimmy's archnemesis, a Lexcorp guy, was going to use it to hypnotize people for fun and profit or something.

Jimmy saved the day by hacking the game and causing it to become unpopular- Superman has left for another planet, choose another character- Steel, Lex Luther, Alpha Centurion, Bizarro, Supergirl, or Krypto. I might be misremembering the options.

Which caused everyone to say "Screw that!" and go do something else.
 
Longtime lurker here. I'm interested to see how the Genomorphs' story progresses, and the reactions of and consequences for the Justice League. The latter wasn't really explored in With This Ring beyond the initial point being raised, though I suppose that made that fic's fallout regarding Doctor Fate more impactful (I hope someone finally dares to criticize Nabu to Ferris's face, not because I think she's necessarily wrong, but because that promises to be a fascinating conversation and plot thread.)
I have a few questions lined up, though I don't want to ask them all at once and clutter up the thread or something (still pretty new to posting). I just wanted to ask why either M'gann or J'onn hasn't just downloaded English into Ferris's brain; I can think of a few reasons why she might turn it down but I assume one of them should make the offer. I admit I skimmed most of the earlier parts of the story though, so this might have already been addressed. In any case, Ferris is an intriguing and compelling character and thanks for telling her story, Obloquy.
 
Because she and telepathy don't get along well.

I figured that would be the reason, just not sure if there was a scene where she was debating the merits of instantaneous linguistic knowledge versus her dislike of telepathy (unless I'm forgetting something and there's some mystic reason that telepathy messes her up).
 
I figured that would be the reason, just not sure if there was a scene where she was debating the merits of instantaneous linguistic knowledge versus her dislike of telepathy (unless I'm forgetting something and there's some mystic reason that telepathy messes her up).
Telepathy is kind of her kryptonite. She "folds like wet paper" to quote the TvTropes page
Prior to the Disappearance Disaster she tried to avoid telepathic contact because 1) She thought it was invasive and 2) The "mental back door" created by her earring made even light telepathic contact painful, and serious contact like what you're suggesting or an actual attack could be debilitating.
She's even more sensitive to it now due to the physical and mystical injuries she sustained during her brief yet glorious time as Doctor Fate
Edit: As for a scene addressing telepathically downloading a language, I'm not sure that came up specifically. However I vaguely remember that she was initially reluctant to even practice telepathic defense because J'onn or M'gann would need to enter her mind. It became slightly les of an issue with time, but by then she understood the language well enough that it just wasn't necessary
 
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Alright then, so they are going for the Green Lantern help, so I wonder were they are going to go/live after this? Also I kinda hope that this whole thing wont be used to constantly rub it in the faces of league; also I hope that Hal and John don't get yelled at to much by the guardians for not noticing this.
The only situation where Ferris would rub it in the faces of the League is if she thought they weren't already kicking themselves hard enough for it.

Her big concern is not just that this happened, but that JL members might encounter a situation similar to this in the future again (or have already encountered it elsewhere), and miss it again. She is heavily invested in making this emotionally sensitive enough that they pay attention to possible cases in the future.

The Guardians have protocols for dealing with cases of criminal negligence and vincible ignorance versus cases where a situation was genuinely missed due to distraction, etc., and reviews for determining which is which.

First time I see the green Lanterns actually used as an agency you can call.
While I haven't read GL comics directly, in wiki articles I've read and in some other series the Green Lanterns are occasionally mentioned as receiving distress calls,* etc., from other planets about bad situations.

I figure Earth is now advanced enough that the Lanterns could give governments, etc., methods to make those calls without overtly influencing technological development.

*According to the TV Tropes character page about Green Lanterns, Hal Jordan was once severely punished by the Guardians for not responding to a distress call he received from Ungara because he was preoccupied helping his girlfriend with business issues. Of course, usually he would have been expelled, but his previously exemplary record got him off with temporary expulsion from his home planet.
(I haven't decided whether or not this has happened here, nor whether it will in the future.)​

Reading these last few updates, I think I've figured out what it is that bothers me about the pace and plotting of most YJ fics I've read. We find out pretty early that the Light exist, but then after that the team almost never shows any agency in dealing with them. Obviously they would in-setting if they had the chance, but it feels like there's forward progress at the beginning as they unravel the web of connections between the villains, but then it stalls out almost indefinitely until the Light decides to do anther thing, and the heroes have to jump to respond. Which, sure, it's reasonable for them to be on the defensive for a bit, and in-setting they probably have similar frustrations about feeling like they're not making any progress. However, I think this is a situation where evoking similar emotions in the readers isn't actually a good thing.

This isn't really aimed at Obloquy so much as the setting in general, but the fact that I stopped looking at the updates to this fic for several months despite being very interested in both the main character and how magic/divine mantles were being handled is probably symptomatic of it. It seems like overall, there are a good number of filler episodes in the original show, and authors of fanfics in the setting are prone to including too many of them to keep a healthy pace going in the story. The most obvious example of that issue would probably be WtR, which had entire arcs that felt like they added little or nothing to the plot as a whole and probably shouldn't have been included.
Good observations.

In my experience, it's tricky to hit the right balance without 1) explosively escalating things as the Light fights back violently against being exposed or wiped out, 2) causing the characters to grow flat or to revolve around only a few things when, for instance, they're also still teenagers stuck worrying about school/they don't know how to handle something they're faced with, and 3) handing someone the Idiot Ball or killing narrative tension with too simple a solution or too irrecoverable a mistake.

If you want to expand more on your thoughts here, I'd be really interested to read it. I've got nearly-an-entire-essay about how the best or most enthralling/inspiring stories in pop culture are ones with a lot of plot holes, rather than ones without many, etc., but that's something I don't have time to type out right now.

Hah, so I guess Renka wasn't just researching the Emotional Spectrum.

E: This seems like a remarkably low bar for an insightful but I guess I'll take it.
There was a whole thing not long ago about people wondering how she'd known about the Red and the Green existing even though she'd worn Fate's Helmet, had demonstrated knowledge of Century Children, and had been shown in the beginnings of a follow-up magic lesson in the Tower of Fate.

I'll take what I can get in terms of readers' insightfulness. :p

Yeah... I was trying to think of how the Light could pull their "Heads we win, tails you loose" MO from the show. Actually thinking about it, it does seem like that would be decidedly bad for them.
The Light will soon be fervently thinking about this question, too.

What does Lex Corp actually do?

Personally my headcanon is that they focus on making super tech accessable and useful to the public.
They began by making and selling new medical technology for radiation treatments (which Lex says he invented personally) and branched out rapidly as soon as they had the capital to do so.

The radiation tech may have been inspired by Luthor's early research into Kryptonite, before the Big Blue Boy Scout started flying around.

Which makes it fit in pretty well with some of the other laws on there, and essentially means that Lanterns have to go by the natives' opinion of what constitutes an "extremely bad thing" instead of their own. If a society, say, worships trees and treats hurting or killing them the same as they do their citizens, then the Lantern would also do so. If they have a sufficiently accepted caste system, then a group of rebels trying to convince the people to rise up and seize freedom from the ruling class are in the wrong. If they're Luddites that refuse to use a certain level of technology or medicine, then the Lantern can't force them to, even if they think it'd be in their best interest. Basically, it's cultural relativity plus a more lenient version of the Prime Directive. Depending on your interpretation, it might even mean that where Rule Four deals with causing change illegally, Rule Three means a Lantern can't even try to enact social change legally unless it's wanted. They can't, say, run for office or lead a social movement.

Alternately, it's meant entirely literally and is talking about Will as a cosmic/mystical force, in which case it means that attacking a planet/species' equivalent of Alaya, or damaging a planet/species' ability to be Willful is illegal. While the first is more likely, I actually think this would be more interesting, since it could really cause tension between Lanterns and governments or corporations that want an easily controllable populace.
A) The reason Rule #2 is "Obey the Guardians without question" is so that the Guardians are responsible for being the deciding votes in this matter, rather than an individual Lantern.

B) There actually are cases where Alaya equivalents of planets are deciding factors... Exhibit A being Mogo, obviously. Usually this state of affairs lasts until the species become/s space capable and can move to other planets, at which point the Guardians interact in new ways with the mortals' governments that can establish roots off-planet.

It's worth noting that the first Green Lantern of Earth was in the 800s or so, and the Guardians didn't interfere to stomp out Earth's colonialism, slavery, etc., in all that time.

I forget, does Conner know Lex is the supplier of his human genes at this point? If so it might help pin down Lex. Cloning is a fairly polarising topic and it will help nullify any "I was completely uninvolved in the affairs of Cadmus" claims.
Yes, Conner knows Lex contributed the human genes as of Plan of Action- part 8. Conner claimed that he knew even before that, but it seemed like he just said that to screw with Luthor some more
Conner knows, Conner knows that Lex knows that Conner knows, and the Team might actually have footage proving this fact as soon as they remember the significance of Sphere maybe-possibly having recording/transmission capabilities.

Conner also had vague suspicions that Lex was going to pull some "No, I am your father" gambit, whether or not it was true, and so he claimed he'd already figured it out long ago to screw with Lex.

A photo of Lex's face at that moment is currently pinned on a cork-board in the Mountain, right beside Vandal Savage in heart-patterned boxers and a satellite photo of Fate!Ferris vs Klarion.

Longtime lurker here. I'm interested to see how the Genomorphs' story progresses, and the reactions of and consequences for the Justice League. The latter wasn't really explored in With This Ring beyond the initial point being raised, though I suppose that made that fic's fallout regarding Doctor Fate more impactful (I hope someone finally dares to criticize Nabu to Ferris's face, not because I think she's necessarily wrong, but because that promises to be a fascinating conversation and plot thread.)
I have a few questions lined up, though I don't want to ask them all at once and clutter up the thread or something (still pretty new to posting). I just wanted to ask why either M'gann or J'onn hasn't just downloaded English into Ferris's brain; I can think of a few reasons why she might turn it down but I assume one of them should make the offer. I admit I skimmed most of the earlier parts of the story though, so this might have already been addressed. In any case, Ferris is an intriguing and compelling character and thanks for telling her story, Obloquy.
Hello, and we're happy to have you contribute!

The story will focus on Ferris and the Team, but the question of "where do they go from here" will be addressed & answered, and after they've gone they may one day come back. I have some loose plans for them.

In the beginning, they didn't download English because 1) downloading a language is a time-intensive and invasive mental process no matter what, 2) Ferris was uncomfortable with telepathic interactions even when they didn't make her brain bleed, 3) it's entirely possible that neither J'onn nor M'gann know how to download a language permanently into someone's brain, or at least not how to do it safely and 4) Ferris likes learning languages and didn't want to use this unfamiliar super-power as a crutch instead of hard work.

I'm glad you like the person I've painted here, and I hope to continue to impress.

Feel free to ask any other questions in the thread, or in a PM to me.
 
Hello, and we're happy to have you contribute!

The story will focus on Ferris and the Team, but the question of "where do they go from here" will be addressed & answered, and after they've gone they may one day come back. I have some loose plans for them.

In the beginning, they didn't download English because 1) downloading a language is a time-intensive and invasive mental process no matter what, 2) Ferris was uncomfortable with telepathic interactions even when they didn't make her brain bleed, 3) it's entirely possible that neither J'onn nor M'gann know how to download a language permanently into someone's brain, or at least not how to do it safely and 4) Ferris likes learning languages and didn't want to use this unfamiliar super-power as a crutch instead of hard work.

I'm glad you like the person I've painted here, and I hope to continue to impress.

Feel free to ask any other questions in the thread, or in a PM to me.

Thanks for addressing my query, and for being so welcoming- I'm pretty new to actually posting. I agree with all your points except for 3), though that depends on whether capabilities and events from Season 3 are canonical for your setting. M'gann outright tells Forager that she downloaded English into his brain, which, while a convenient plot device, seems like a logical use of telepathy, and an extension of the translation effect we saw in Season 2 on Rann, like I mentioned. While M'gann might not have the knowledge or skill to do so in Season 1, and by extension, Life Ore Death, I feel like J'onn at least should be able to. While I agree that this isn't a viable option for Ferris for the reasons you graciously outlined, it's something I wanted to bring up, and could possibly be a useful plot device for you to use in the future (Ferris interacting with Martians would be interesting, and I would love to see Genomorph-Martian relations of some kind given their shared psychic abilities and use of organic technology). But whatever happens, I'm sure it'll be interesting, so I look forward to the next update.
 
A photo of Lex's face at that moment is currently pinned on a cork-board in the Mountain, right beside Vandal Savage in heart-patterned boxers and a satellite photo of Fate!Ferris vs Klarion.
I find it kind of funny that if the Light ever finds out about pre-catescendre Scadrial, Renka might actually be something of a proof of concept for them despite how much of a thorn she is in their collective sides. Vandal believes that the League prevents humanity from progressing and growing stronger as a species by constantly protecting them from harm. While she isn't the norm for Scadrial due to Ruins influence, she never the less had to struggle to survive from an early age in a world without heroes to protect her (even if it is significantly less death worldy right now). This has left her with a level of experience, cunning and most importantly drive that the rest of the team doesn't fully possess, and as of now she has done more damage to The Lights operations than anyone else on the team by far
Edit: Although, was it mentioned somewhere that the Ska generally value diplomacy and academics over conflict resolution through physical force? Hmmmm...
 
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Skaa and Terris in the Final Empire
Edit: Although, was it mentioned somewhere that the Ska generally value diplomacy and academics over conflict resolution through physical force? Hmmmm...
The Skaa were the peasant/slave caste, which made up around 90% of the population and were "the descendants of the peoples who refused to recognize the Lord Ruler as sovereign over the world".

Whether they were closer to slaves or to peasants depended on how closely they lived to the nobility.

Skaa living on nobles' plantations were generally exactly like slaves
Skaa living in big cities could work in factories, or pick up trade skills and have shops, or join the Lord Ruler's army for better food/pay
Skaa living in the furthest reaches of the Final Empire could even theoretically own land and property, though this was kept secret

However, Renka was not a Skaa.

She was of the Terris caste, which still were not nobles, but which had some privileges and protections. For a start, just being separated out as "Terris" when about every other culture in the Final Empire had been eliminated and absorbed was a big thing.

Then, because of the Terris breeding program, it was illegal for a noble to have sex with (and, ergo, to rape) a Terris woman, which was a protection most Skaa women would've traded an arm for.

Also, Terrismen eunuchs (and some Terris women) were often trained as personal servants to be employed by nobility as a sign of higher status.

And yes, the Terris culture did traditionally value education, diplomacy, patience, and formality over violence. Hence the reason why Renka will often get awkward/embarrassed if you compliment her combat skills, but will perk up when complimented on her mind or manners.
 
However, Renka was not a Skaa.

She was of the Terris caste, which still were not nobles, but which had some privileges and protections. For a start, just being separated out as "Terris" when about every other culture in the Final Empire had been eliminated and absorbed was a big thing.

Then, because of the Terris breeding program, it was illegal for a noble to have sex with (and, ergo, to rape) a Terris woman, which was a protection most Skaa women would've traded an arm for.

Also, Terrismen eunuchs (and some Terris women) were often trained as personal servants to be employed by nobility as a sign of higher status.

And yes, the Terris culture did traditionally value education, diplomacy, patience, and formality over violence. Hence the reason why Renka will often get awkward/embarrassed if you compliment her combat skills, but will perk up when complimented on her mind or manners.
Alright, it's official. I'm getting the books next paycheck.
 
Alright, it's official. I'm getting the books next paycheck.
The series is an excellent deconstruction of a lot of stock Fantasy tropes, and still reconstructs many things in the end.

I will warn you that I'm extrapolating a little on some of the details, such as Terris women's protection against noblemen. But noblemen could be executed for fathering half-skaa children, and the Lord Ruler would have good reason to want to be even more thorough about discouraging Terris-Noble half-breed children (he did not want Feruchemy and Allomancy mixing), so it seems a reasonable stretch.

Most libraries will probably have at least one of the trilogy, so you might check there first if you have a membership.
 
Alright, it's official. I'm getting the books next paycheck.

You absolutely should, it's some of the most complex and innovative fantasy out there. Don't even worry about LoD possibly giving away the ending of the trilogy, because I guarantee you there's a boatload of the plot that comes at you like a truck once you see how it all fits together.

Also, @Obloquy just a quick question: has Renka ever met Hoid before?
 
Embarking - part 3
Life Ore Death
* December 8 [Donna Troy PoV]

"Hey," I called, knocking on the frame of the open door. "Can I come in? Is everything ready?" I mean, it was open, sure, but….

"I am decent," Ferris called drily from where she was reclining on her bed with a notebook.

"I'm low on snappy comebacks, I'm afraid," I commented as she shut the notebook. 'Yeah, looks like she… huh. Will she be rolling in a wheelchair down to the Underworld, or will Diana be carrying her?' "Are you all packed?"

"I am," she said, pointing to a pack before turning her attention to maneuvering into the wheelchair with her arms.

"Need some help with that?" I offered, because it didn't look easy. Ferris hesitated.

"Yes, thank you," she said, and let me set her in. It was pretty easy, with super-strength and all.

"I don't want to fuss," I hedged, "but your pack looks a little small for a week or two, and it's not like Diana would notice another twenty or thirty pounds. Would you mind if I took a look, and see if anything you may have missed or might want comes to mind?"

"…Thank you," Ferris said carefully.

'Right, Diana mentioned she's on a no-magic ban for a while, so no translation spell. I'll make sure to talk with simple words.'

I searched through, and one thing immediately popped to mind other than the general sparseness of her selections.

"I think Diana is providing food and stuff, but no reason to ditch the granola bars… you don't have much sanitary stuff, though."

"Sanitary?"

'Right, simpler words.' "Cleanliness. Hygiene." 'That's not a small word, you moron.' "Toiletries. Bathroom stuff. Toothpaste, toothbrush," 'Probably not make-up…' "and you should always bring some stuff in case you get your period. How about we dump it in there?"

She frowned at me a moment, and I wondered if I'd missed something.

"I probably do not need them."

'Gods, she's so difficult about- temper, Donna. This'd have to be the stupidest reason to ever snap at someone,' I chided myself, breathing.

"Well," I reasoned once I was calmer, "you're going away for two or three weeks, so unless you just had yours-?"

"I did not bleed in November," she interrupted. "I… did not ask… I assumed the injuries… made me… mm… is the word sterile?"

"Ah," I hissed with a wince. 'Oh shit. I did not see that coming. No wonder she twitched at me.' "Yeah, sterile works, though that's more often guys and woman are barren, but… yeah, that sucks. I'm sorry to hear that," I sympathized. She nodded and then shrugged.

"It is a cheap price to kill Klarion," she asserted. I snorted.

"True that, and here's to the bastard rotting in hell. But." I thought about saying how it sucked to have the choice about kids taken from her, but something else was niggling at me. "You know, it's pretty common for major injuries or medication to throw your cycle off, especially at our age. Are you sure you're barren, or might it just have missed a month? You might want to bring some, just in case."

Ferris hesitated, then directed me to the drawer where she stored her supply.

"Also," she added, looking a little… 'I'm not sure. I guess she's embarrassed.' "The red scarf- the capillary scarf, please."

"Uhh…" I scanned around and found a length of patterned red cloth. "This? Sure. What's it for?" I asked, since it wasn't for warmth.

"Tradition. While bleeding. Stupid and old tradition," she muttered, not meeting my eyes, "but… it… feels a little like home."

"Ah. Got it." 'I have a rant I could do about how different cultures have stigmatized menstruation, but… yeah, I think now's not a good time.'

I dropped the subject, dropped in the scarf, and politely pressed Ferris into taking an extra pack of stuff.

After all, she could always leave anything that was too much on Themyscira for the trip, but anything she left here stayed here.

"Okay! Is there," I asked, still trying to be cheerful and hope my mood would infect her, "anyone we should say goodbye to?"

"No." So saying, she tore a page out of her notebook and added, "I will put this paper at the kitchen table."

"I will leave this note on the kitchen table," I corrected, hoisting up the packs with, again, zero effort. She waved off my offer to push her, and handed me the note. "Suit yourself," I decided, glancing over it. 'Instructions on where she hid her Christmas presents. Wow, she's thorough.'

Despite her resolve to not need to say goodbye to her teammates, Ferris spent several minutes saying her farewells to Wolf and to the big alien-machine she called Sphere before we went through the Zeta Tubes to where the Invisible Jet waited.

And, yeah, I can sort of get why guys get cars for their mid-life crises and why girls sort of fawn over them, because even with my ability to fly unassisted – I didn't even need to rely on air currents anymore, I just flew – sitting behind the wheel of the jet was still a bit of a rush.

We flew over pretty quickly to Gotham, and touched down on Arkham Island in an empty field where Diana had put markers.

I hopped out.

"Hello good people," I called out to the two women waiting beside Mr. Dodds. "My name is Wonder Girl, and I will be your stewardess for the evening! Alright, introductions!" I easily lifted Ferris out in her wheelchair and floated her down.

'Okay, on closer look, they're both older than me. Shit. I hope I didn't seem too silly to them.' They weren't laughing, so it seemed all good.

"As mentioned, this is Wonder Girl, otherwise known as Princess Danae of Themyscira," Mr. Dodds introduced. "The woman in the wheelchair you may recognize from recent news broadcasts as well."

I stood back and let Ferris enjoy her glory for a bit while they approached her. Instead, I talked to Mr. Dodds.

"So, Diana is really signing off on doing this? And, I assume Batman is too," I checked quietly.

"Yes, and she's just finishing the final paperwork now. It took a bit of doing, but it's done," he sighed. "I only hope…."

"Yeah. Lets try to avoid a crazy super-villain breakdown," I agreed, and sent a mental prayer to that effect up to Olympus.

"Ah, I believe they're done with their introductions," Mr. Dodds announced as they stepped back from Ferris. "Ladies, I don't believe Her Highness-," I blushed at the title that still didn't feel right to me. "-got your names." They both turned back to me.

The one who looked younger, but more worn, stepped up first. She had that shade of tan that I couldn't quite tell….

"Nice to meet you," I said, ignoring whatever supernatural sensory what-the-fuckery went on in the back of my head when I shook her hand. "I try to not stand on ceremony, so just Danae is fine. I like the red and green streaks in your hair."

"Thank you. And, you saved my son's life, probably, when you got his school bus away from a fight with Cheetah." I felt a flush of something hot in me when she gripped my other hand, and ignored the whole she-has-a-kid bit. "I'm Rose Walker. Thank you, Wonder Girl."

"A-all in a day's duty," I stammered out, hitting a death spiral where I blushed all the harder because I was embarrassed that I blushed. "I- you don't look like you have a kid. You look good!" I hastily clarified. "Uhh… I'm thinking of changing my name. Any ideas?"

"Does it have to involve the word wonder?" the other woman asked perkily. "Otherwise, there are a lot of old Greek words."

"I- yeah, I've thought of that," I admitted, finally breathing easier as Ms. Walker stepped away. "So, 'Wonder Woman' is just a literal translation of the title for the Amazonian Royal Champion, and Wonder Girl is just what we made up. I've been thinking of going for Latin or Greek when I break out the new name next year. Well, hopefully next year," I amended, because I still had anger issues. "Um…"

"Oh! My name is Barbara Bild, though I usually go by Barbie." We shook hands.

"Nice to meet you. Diana and Mr. Dodds did tell you what you were in for, right?" I checked for lack of anything better to say.

Because, this had the potential to go old-school-mythic-crazy if it went wrong, and as far as I knew they were just civilians.

'Well, just civilians who throw my weirdo semi-demi-goddess senses out of whack by shaking hands, but not field experienced….'

"We have a bit of experience with dreams," Rose assured me, "and I'll be… interested, I guess to explore the Greek part of my heritage." I blinked at her, wondering if Zeus had fathered another- "Do you know Orpheus? Of the story of Orpheus and Eurydice?"

"I mean, we've never met," I qualified, since he'd supposedly given up his death and might still be around, given how many other semi-immortals were walking the planet. "I know the story, of course. I didn't think he had any kids," I said slowly.

Rose laughed kindly. "Not nearly that close. We're… second cousins, I was told, but I don't know all that much context."

"I'm mostly here because I have experience with magical dreaming rocks," Barbie agreed, "and because her magic rubbed off on me when we were neighbors in an apartment building. But it's an adventure, and I can only hope this will be happier than the last one was."

"I assure you," wheezed an old and decrepit voice from off to the side, "it will, at least, be very difficult to get anything more dark and dangerous than my last outing to the outside of these walls, and into dreams."


'Oh gross!' I tried not to visibly recoil. The guy was old, and he was… 'He looks like a recovering concentration camp victim. Ick.'

"Let us not tempt the Fates. Has everyone else been introduced?" Diana asked, to which we all nodded. "Very well. This is John Dee."

"I am a former super-villain," the withered man admitted with a wheeze, "so I believe we will all be most comfortable if you do not trust me further than… Oh dear. That saying rather breaks down in the face of super-strength," he observed comically. Then, "Who are you?"

"I- I'm… Barbie…" she said slowly, and they just stared at each other.

And stared.

For, just, you know, a really long moment.

'I really hope this isn't one of those eyes-meet-across-the-room things where it's true love. That'd be gross. Though, he's at least a recovered super-villain if Diana was willing to sign him out of Arkham and assume responsibility. I just… I won't push him,' I decided.

"What's this all about?" I whispered to Mr. Dodds under my breath, as even Rose seemed to observe… something. But, what?

"It's complicated," he murmured back to me. I nodded and decided to leave it at that.

Diana knew what she was doing, and I wasn't going to the Underworld with them, so it wasn't really any of my business.

'Huh. You know, I was sort of expecting another simmering bit of anger, but nope. Maybe I am getting better,' I dared to hope.

After a little bit, and Ms. Walker's failed attempt at getting their attention, Diana stepped up and shook John Dee's shoulder.

"My apes are running! I-? Oh," he muttered as they both blearily shook their heads. "Very sorry about that."

"You should be," Barbie growled. Then, "Ahh… You should be sorry, you know, but you are, and this wasn't your fault. I think."

"I think it's just that there aren't usually as many people with our… experiences, and exposure gathered together like this."

"I have seen something familiar to this before," Diana agreed. "Miss Bild, are you unharmed? It sounded as though you saw into some of Dr. Destiny's past, and that would not be pleasant, I expect." The blonde blinked a little bit again.

"I'm- I'll be fine. Not the worst I've been mind-fucked in my life," she muttered.

"Ouch. Was I that bad an influence?" Rose asked apologetically, reaching out.

"Uh? Oh, not you, this was the cuckoo. Long story," she dismissed.

"It's a long flight to Themyscira, and I will be happy to shorten it with some stories of my earlier adventures," Mr. Dodds offered.

With that not so subtle prod, we all filed back into the Invisible Jet.

It wasn't that long a flight to Themyscira, since we were flying Air Hephaestus, but it was a chance for Mr. Dodds to talk a bit about the old days of the JSA, and for Rose, as she asked to be called even though she was probably older than I wanted to know, to ask a question.

"It's about Orpheus," she said. "I heard… so, there's an actual person named Orpheus who did the whole 'travel to the Underworld' thing at some point in actual history, right? It's actually not just a myth, it happened, however that was."

"Yes. My mother attended their wedding, when she was a little girl," Diana confirmed, which surprised me.

"Really? Wow, I never thought about that. What her life was like before the isolation," I clarified when they gave me some odd looks.

"The world," Diana mused, "was a very different place. But, you had a question, Ms. Walker?"

"Yeah. So, in the hopefully-closer-to-real version of the story I heard," Rose elaborated, "there was something about how Orpheus had to agree to never die in order to go to the Underworld, and he survived getting torn apart by the mad women as only a head."

"No, we will not need to do anything like that," Diana assured everyone, and even I let out a nervous sigh of relief.

"Okay. Why not? Was the story inaccurate, or…?"

"The world was a very different place, yes?" Ferris quoted carefully. "Have the rules changed?"

"A perceptive question." I leaned forward at that answer, because I still wasn't all up on the supernatural ways-of-the-gods stuff and this was interesting. It wasn't often that Diana dribbled out her hoard of lore, though that might have been because I didn't ask too much.

"Hey, if this was when-," I almost stuttered over what to call Queen Hippolyta, since I was supposed to be Diana's actual sister for a cover, which would make her my mom. "-when she was a little girl, Themyscira probably didn't exist yet. Is that a part of it?"

"Precisely. Our journey will begin in the catacombs of the temple to Hades and Persephone on the island, which did not exist at the time Orpheus married Eurydice, or indeed for many centuries after. The geography of the Underworld – and the area of the Subtle Realms in which it is located – is not static, but evolves. There are other, more complicated things as well, but it is difficult to explain. And we are here."

"Welcome," I intoned dramatically, "to the Island of the Amazons."

Outside the window, I saw the two warriors waiting for us approach, and I gave them the warrior's salute.
 
Barbie just saw the events of "24 Hours", I take it?

And Orpheus' current situation depends a great deal on precisely when we are relative to the events of the comic. If, as seems likely, we're after it ended, well... there will have been some changes, let's put it that way.

On a vaguely related note, now I'm wondering if the Lucifer comic happened. If not, I feel like Renka encountering him would be interesting.
 
Barbie just saw the events of "24 Hours", I take it?

And Orpheus' current situation depends a great deal on precisely when we are relative to the events of the comic. If, as seems likely, we're after it ended, well... there will have been some changes, let's put it that way.

On a vaguely related note, now I'm wondering if the Lucifer comic happened. If not, I feel like Renka encountering him would be interesting.
I have not read the Lucifer comic, so no, it has not happened.

The Morning Star has left Hell, and has not set up shop on Earth at the moment, but three members of the Justice League have unknowingly run across him in his current base of operations.
 
I have not read the Lucifer comic, so no, it has not happened.

The Morning Star has left Hell, and has not set up shop on Earth at the moment, but three members of the Justice League have unknowingly run across him in his current base of operations.

I think Lucifer and Renka would get along really well. He is a pretty interesting guy, and I think he'd enjoy her sense of humor. Actually, I could totally see her bonding with Mazikeen (Lucifer's protector, servant, assassin). I think Renka would appreciate her acceptance of her scarred / twisted face, and her rage at being "healed" against her will.

I remember when I first heard that the Lucifer comic was getting a TV adaptation. I kept thinking, "gee, that seems like an ambitious project. I wonder how they are going to deal with the scale and the sensitive nature of the material." Cut to a couple of months later... "Ah. A police procedural. I feel like I should have seen that coming, but it is like they were intentionally trying to make the worst / most-boring adaptation possible."
 
I have not read the Lucifer comic, so no, it has not happened.

The Morning Star has left Hell, and has not set up shop on Earth at the moment, but three members of the Justice League have unknowingly run across him in his current base of operations.

The Lucifer comic is perhaps my favorite comic ever. It also is SO MUCH it's own story, in a way that doesn't let it really fit in with any other story. Like, I see people asking for Lucifer in pretty much every Young Justice fic, and he just... wouldn't fit. At all. His story goes in it's place, and it's a good story... but I'm glad you're not trying to use elements of it.

It just wouldn't work. There's no space for it, and it wouldn't add anything to the space your story is happening in.
 
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Embarking - part 4
Life Ore Death
Kosmima is an OC I made for someone I know IRL,
as a thanks for working on LOD's impressively long TVtropes page.
I wish you'd get an account so I could tag you!
* December 8/9 [Renka PoV]

"I promise," I said toothily. "If I start to drown, I will splash my arms, and scream very loudly."

"As you wish," Diana acceded drily. She stood and departed the bathhouse without me.

I sighed as I sank into the hot water more deeply, though I kept my arms and elbows on the ledge behind me.

'Finally I can be alone for a while. …I would usually be storing warmth here, but…' I sighed as I remembered that I was banned from Feruchemy. 'Perhaps I have been using it as an emotional crutch. Or, maybe it's just a habit. I don't think I could honestly say. Still….'

I had, at least, no complaints about the hospitality of the island. The women were welcoming, even to the two men, and I had been surprised to meet a young boy of eight soon after. He was the son of a refugee woman who had washed ashore, and having been too young to remember living in 'the world of men,' our male comrades had agreeably sat aside with him to tell tales of life off the island.

I had not yet been introduced to the Queen Hippolyta in person – that was scheduled for a banquet to celebrate the Wonder Woman's homecoming in the near future – but I had met several women who were counted among her inner circle already, albeit in passing.

I was most interested in eventually meeting Io, their foremost smith, but I was in no hurry. I would not flatter myself that I would need to engage with only the island's greatest metalworker to learn a large amount, when every woman here was no doubt an expert.

'And almost every woman here is 3-5 times the age of the Lord Ruler,' I acknowledged, and suppressed a shudder. 'That still disturbs me.'

A civilization of millennia-old individuals would… well, I had not seen any extraordinarily jarring signs of their ages' significance, but I had not been present long, and the art, at least, was astonishing. Amazon artisans had perfected their craft over many centuries of personal experience, and their pet projects made over decades were….

I had seen a thorn bush intricately carved out of a single block of marble. If those words did not sound impressive when I explained it, I could only advise the listener to go look in careful detail at a living thorn bush, and then reiterate with emphasis that it was carved by hand out of a single block of marble. I had not met the sculptor responsible, but the friend of hers who'd shown it to me had idly commented that Denelippe had entirely invented from scratch three new carving tools in the making of it.

The statues, the idle glass objects on shelves, the pottery urns, and the tile decorations were all tasteful, and all incredible.

Reflecting idly on them, I wished I had brought a camera, as Wally and Joseph would have jumped at the chance to examine these.

"Ah well," I sighed, and stretched a kink out of my spine. Then another. And a third. After, I lay back to let the heat succor me for some time.

With my extremities finally pruning, I leveraged my weight out of the hot water with my arms, but spent another second or two seated on the edge, kicking out ripples and twitching my toes. Although I could not stand unaided, again, I knew full well how lucky I was. My legs were no longer numb; about twelve hours after I had let go of the Sword of Beowulf they had finally responded when I tried to twitch my toes.

Now, of course, I was left sitting in a room of wet tiles, with my towels, clothes, and wheelchair out of easy reach.

'No one is coming in to offer assistance,' I noted semi-gratefully. 'Now comes the decision: do I call for assistance, or do I crawl and struggle to dry and dress unassisted, even though it will be longer and ungainly? And what if another person comes in and sees me struggling?'

I sighed and swallowed my pride. At least it was a chance to test something I was curious about. "If someone could please help me?"

One of the women who worked in the bathhouse – though in a civilization where no one aged and even eating was not mandatory, the importance of a "job" had no doubt shifted – arrived after my second call, and assisted me very professionally.

As I got presentable, I asked my next question.

"If you do not mind," I hedged, "how do you understand me? I am speaking my native language at the moment."

"It is the blessing of Athena: all on the island who wish to be understood will understand each other. Many of us speak the same mother tongue," she acknowledged, rubbing my hair dry as I settled into the wheelchair, "but it is important when refugee women arrive."

"Thank you. The… is it five or six? The patrons of Themyscira are, I think, Athena, Artemis, Demeter, Aphrodite, and Hera, yes?"

"That's a bit tricky, theologically. Hera is the patron goddess of all women, and we revere her duly, but the five goddesses who granted blessings to Themyscira and her inhabitants are Athena, Artemis, Aphrodite, Demeter, and Hestia."

"My gratitude for the information."

"Do you need assistance going anywhere from here, or perhaps directions, visiting sister?"

"There remain three or four hours, I think, before the banquet. Mm, does the blessing of Athena apply to written words?"

"Yes, and her temple houses an open library." She gave me directions, and I went on my way.

While they had not been built with wheelchairs in mind, important buildings and central paths of the main city were largely wheelchair accessible all the same. I would not be able to enter by the front of the major temples, which were built in Greek traditional style with many pillars and a lot of stairs at the approach, but there were side entrances and I made it to Athena's open library without issue.

I would easily admit to being glutted for choice in my reading materials, even if I could not reach the top shelves.

I grabbed one piece on metallurgy – I was not an expert, and more information before I practiced anything could only help me improve – another on history, and I lucked out to find something about the actual events behind the myth of Theseus. I was certain I would be allowed back at a later date, even if I could not remove anything now, so I spent an hour reading quietly and thoroughly enjoyed myself.

After an hour and a little bit, I was interrupted.

"Argelleae's treatise is a bit dry," a woman who appeared to be about my age commented, dropping a new scroll on the table. "I shouldn't boast, but this covers all the same stuff and does it much more engagingly." I looked over the scroll, then up at the woman.

She was young, maybe even a year younger than me, or at least she looked it. Her skin was a color I'd been told to call 'olive,' her arms were thickly muscled, her hands were heavily calloused with some slight scorch marks, and her hairstyle….

Her hair was interesting; it was long, black, and pulled tightly back into a high ponytail. Her scalp, however, had been shaved oddly, into a pattern that looked a little like a much sharper version of Kaldur's widow's peak, as it was call in English. Beginning above her ears, two long triangles of scalp had been shaved smooth, creating an M-shaped borderline between her hair and bare skin.

Beyond that, her most notable characteristic was that she wore a large amount of jewelry. There were multiple metal and jeweled pins and clips of many designs in her hair, and a nose ring as well as her two simple stud earrings, 3 distinct necklaces, and many bangles.

'If I didn't know better, I would wonder if she's a Feruchemist wearing metal-minds. Only, beads & gemstones are not conducive to storage,' I noted, 'and many of those metals do not look like ones used in the Metallic Arts. Then again, this is Earth: everything here is Rusting crazy.'

"Thank you for the recommendation. I like your… I think the term is fashion sense? I like your jewelry, especially. Is it enchanted?"

"Eh, only three or four pieces, and they're all small," she confirmed, sliding tin across my teeth & tongue. I perked up with interest.

"Really? I am learning a little about magic, and I would be very interested to learn more." I checked the scroll. "You are Kosmima?"

"Correct," she chirped and we shook hands. As I'd noticed, she had strong hands, hardened from work, but her skin was smooth and supple where it was not calloused. "You're one of the guests Princess Diana brought back from America, right?"

"I am Renka," I confirmed, "though you may shorten it to Wren, or I will answer to my hero-name, Ferris."

"Like iron?"

I pouted exaggeratedly. "While I am flattered by everyone's assumption that I understand Latin, no, and I am still learning English. It is named after the first thing I saw on Earth that took my breath away." I let my sentence hang there suggestively.

"A Ferris Wheel, huh? Cool. I couldn't help noticing your ring," she mentioned, "and I'm curious. There's something about it…?"

"It is not magic, but it is made a magic metal: atium," I informed her. "You could discern that it was magic?"

"It feels really nasty to anyone with the right way of looking at it," she informed me. "Or. Not bloodstain nasty, or rot, but-,"

"I can imagine. I know more about it. You must be very skilled, to notice." 'Especially when bare atium didn't stand out to Mera.'

"Eh, it's sort of my specialty," she deflected.

As she had suggested it, and I could envision little harm (beyond brain-eating runes), I started scanning the scroll Kosmima had authored.

Shortly after I got engrossed, I came upon a passage wherein she described alchemy and the creation of magical metals.

Not all of which were necessarily created by alchemy.

"Is this serious?" Kosmima closed the scroll she was readin and put down the wax tablet on which she took notes.

"Which part?"

"Natural creation of magical metals?"

"Ah. Yes," she confirmed. "Getting the right mixes exposed to the right catalysts is rare, so things like Orichalcum aren't found in nature, but Vibranium can be created when impure platinum is exposed to extremes in thermal and kinetic energy, such as orbital entry."

"Platinum," I mused. 'I've been meaning to do more research on the periodic table and elements outside of the Metallic arts, but… Rusts, there is such a long list of things I am lacking in the time and effort to investigate, despite my interest.'

"I don't know for certain," Kosmima continued, "but based on some things Princess Diana has mentioned about her comrade, Hawkwoman, I suspect the Nth Metal mace she uses is another example of this phenomenon. I just wish I could take a look at that."

"I have seen it and spoke with her a little, for similar reasons," I agreed. "It is mined, and it does have to be refined, but Nth metal is not found normally on any other planet or in space around the planet. It is unique to Thanagar."

"For all that they say it's made to fight gods, I'm betting it's got some divine origin," Kosmima mused, to which I shrugged and hummed. "Of course," she added, "just because it's magic doesn't mean it's useful. Even Io has had some ridiculous failures over the years, and my track record isn't so great either."

I used exactly these types of conversational hooks all the time. I immediately recognized it.

But.

'I am on the island as an honored guest, under the protection of the Princess Diana and – I assume – her patron goddesses. No one in particular should know in advance that I would be here, and no ambush should be set up. I could very easily be forced in my weak state.'

'I shall simply have to hope that this is a pleasant surprise in store for me.'


"I would be very interested in hearing more about this. In my experience, a 'failure' may… well. I am very creative," I boasted carefully.

"I could take you to the main forges," she offered. That it was a public building instead of her private one suggested I'd be safe.

"Yes, please."

The paths there were mostly smooth – the Amazon architects had also had many years to experiment with paving and roads – and while it was a little out of the city's main area, it was still a public venue, albeit one currently unutilized.

That last detail made me a little suspicious again, but along the way we had seen several Amazons who waved or otherwise showed amicability toward Kosmima and myself, so I let my worry about offending or alienating her outweigh my concern about a trap.

"Ah!" At the sound, I glanced over to where Kosmima was riffling through a cabinet she'd unlocked. "Here it is! I haven't quite figured out how to make it," she mused, "but this is a metal Io showed me about two centuries ago." I hammered brass on the uneasy, queasy feeling in my stomach at the reminder of how long everyone here had lived as she walked over to show me the nugget in her hand.

"Glowing," I noted. 'I wonder what I could do with this,' I thought as she tipped it into my hand, and it shifted from the dimmed color of afternoon sunlight to the color of a sunset. 'I really want to learn more.' "Is glowing the only thing it does? Is it… pho- pho- does it…?"

"No, it only glows when it's in contact with a person. It's pretty much just a mood ring, shifting with your emotions; or maybe it works the way actual mood rings work, changing colors in response to body heat, sweat… it might have medical uses somehow," Kosmima mused.

"Does it glow when in contact with an animal?" I asked. 'Or a person who is not human, like M'gann?'

"I… never tested it." Kosmima glanced out of the forge, toward the street. "I'll put it on a horse or something, later."

"Mm. I will be interested to know." I considered testing its mood or health monitoring abilities by either sinking back into some other emotional state – I still had some frustration simmering inside my ribs – or hyperventilating to raise my heart rate.
Instead, I decided to stop doing everything immediately at once, and just handed it back to her.

"I can show you some of the other stuff. I think there are some works with Orichalcum, Adamantite, and Mithril around here…."

"Yes please," I agreed immediately. "Are there any other magic metals?"

"Those ones are the most common, because they're so useful," Kosmima deferred, "but I'll look around."

What followed was an interesting, if simplified, experience in teaching me about the most basic magic metals, as well as some common uses for more mundane metals, such as iron and silver.

It was only when the time was growing short that I decided to bring up the matter at hand.

"Thank you, Kosmima. This has been a very enlightening afternoon," I informed her. "I have two more questions. May I?"

"Go ahead and ask," she agreed, closing the doors to the forge behind her.

"One: are you coming to the feast with me?"

"Nah, I don't think so. It'd be great to see everyone dressed up – a bunch of my pieces are really popular with some of the court leaders even if the Queen doesn't usually wear them – but I have other obligations I should work on, and I always feel awkward in crowds."

"As you wish. Two: I've learned some trust for who you are, but what is your nature?" I inquired, and Kosmima twitched. I kept talking. "You have referenced or understood things from off of Themyscira, you were suspiciously fortuitous in your timing and method to approach me, you feel slightly unusual to my mystic senses, and you have referenced your age as being much younger than the other women living on the island, but older than an ordinary human could become. I am assuming you may be a nymph, or a demigoddess…?"

Kosmima started chuckling, and readjusted her skirt and tunic self-consciously as she refused to meet my eyes.

"Wow, has anyone told you you're sort of impressive when you get direct like that?" I smiled and stayed silent. She adjusted her skirt again. "Yeah, Hephaestus is my father. I'm just a little over three hundred years old." She hesitated. "I hadn't expected to tell you that up front, but… So, I have house on Malta that I'm usually at, and a jewelry shop. I've got something I should get to, but drop by some time."

"Malta. I once made a short trip to Ischia," I recalled, having done that just before the Disappearance Disaster.

"No, they're not really close. Eh, just, look it up on a map, please?" She pulled out a pocket watch on a chain.

"I will visit in the new year," I promised her. 'Malta. It is the same as the Nelazan word for a pebble, like her gems. Easy enough to remember.'

"Thanks, 'cause I really have to go now." So saying, Kosmima turned on her heel, stepped over to a mirror left leaning against the outside wall for some reason – or perhaps for this reason – and when her reflection stepped aside with a bow, she stepped inside and was gone.

Impressed, I sat there contemplatively, until I heard the bells ringing to call all Amazons to the banquet.
 
Huh a child of Hepaestus, didn't expect that. One of the few greek gods that wasn't a total mess, alongside Hestia. And its neat there is a 8 year boy on the island, but that will lead to problems further down the line.
 
Huh a child of Hepaestus, didn't expect that. One of the few greek gods that wasn't a total mess, alongside Hestia. And its neat there is a 8 year boy on the island, but that will lead to problems further down the line.
Hestia, Hephaestus, Hades... I'd wonder if there was something about H-names and Olympians who aren't a mess (or hide it very well), except then we get to Hera and... yeah....

What problems are you thinking of about there being an 8-year-old boy on the island?
 
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