I guess the only thing left is if people want Hatsuyuki or Wakaba.

Yeah, I was leaning towards Auntie as well, but I think being able to read (and lip read) people better is going to be more important at court than adding on more social graces (on top of the 8k5 Etiquette roll ye Fortunes!).

Heck, having the appearance of being little bit unrefined but backing it up with a focus on intrigue could work out well, people underestimate Tsubaki, people are taken off guard with when she discerns their true motivations and secrets at a glance, git gud, Crane & Scorpions that think you can run the table on this hick from the sticks.

And rooting out the disloyal in our own ranks is important. We've got a grab bag of ronin and criminals making up our forces right now, and...how does it go in Lies, "The traitor's hand strikes with the force of a legion."
 
It looks like conversation has mostly dried up, which is unfortunate. It would be nice if people were to post some, just a sentence or so, of reasoning when they vote.

Conversation drying up is partially fortunate for me, because it means that I can plan my writing ahead better!

Not that I want to discourage people from contributing, because I don't. :)
 
Yeah, I was leaning towards Auntie as well, but I think being able to read (and lip read) people better is going to be more important at court than adding on more social graces (on top of the 8k5 Etiquette roll ye Fortunes!).

Heck, having the appearance of being little bit unrefined but backing it up with a focus on intrigue could work out well, people underestimate Tsubaki, people are taken off guard with when she discerns their true motivations and secrets at a glance, git gud, Crane & Scorpions that think you can run the table on this hick from the sticks.

And rooting out the disloyal in our own ranks is important. We've got a grab bag of ronin and criminals making up our forces right now, and...how does it go in Lies, "The traitor's hand strikes with the force of a legion."

As impressive as 8k5 is, remember that this is Winter Court. The biggest, baddest courtiers in Rokugan come here every year to do battle. If a Crane decides that she wants to embarrass you, her 10k7 Courtier roll with 3 free raises will eat your 8k5 etiquette alive.
 
As impressive as 8k5 is, remember that this is Winter Court. The biggest, baddest courtiers in Rokugan come here every year to do battle. If a Crane decides that she wants to embarrass you, her 10k7 Courtier roll with 3 free raises will eat your 8k5 etiquette alive.

10k7 with three free raises...:o

Well.

(This right here is why nobody likes the Cranes.)

At the same time...if I understand correctly, training with Auntie will narrow the gap a bit but if a monster Courtier like that goes gunning for Tsubaki we're kind of screwed no matter what, it's like the Guide For Not Dying If You Have To Duel The Matsu Daimyo To The Death, which is a single sheet of paper with a single sentence on it:

Do not duel the Matsu Daimyo to the Death.

Or am I underestimating the boost Tsubaki's personal actions will give her?
 
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Part of the reason I have been lobbying so hard against committing hard to Court options is how badly outclassed we are going to be. No matter how hard we work in the next six months, we aren't going to be able to beat out the monsters that form the Imperial Winter Court. The good news is that we don't have to. We don't have to go toe to toe with the Crane's courtier elite. We simply have to survive and not make a fool of ourselves. We are new, we don't really have any preexisting enemies. Since our character has the gift of empathy we have a good chance of realizing when somebody is out to get us and when that happens we simply beat a fast retreat. Sure it won't win glory, but it will keep us safe and politically sound. Furthermore, since we are unlikely to win a direct confrontation avoiding them becomes even more important. This is one area where lip-reading is really useful. It gives us more chances of seeing something coming before it goes to the head to head that we will lose. In a similar vein to what Wade Garrett said, the way you deal with the Kakita duelist who won the Topaz championship is never duel him.

Edit: I am not sure if it has been answered before, but what edition of l5r is this quest using @storybookknight?
 
10k7 with three free raises...:o

Well.

(This right here is why nobody likes the Cranes.)

At the same time...if I understand correctly, training with Auntie will narrow the gap a bit but if a monster Courtier like that goes gunning for Tsubaki we're kind of screwed no matter what, it's like the Guide For Not Dying If You Have To Duel The Matsu Daimyo, which is a single sheet of paper with a single sentence on it:

Do not duel the Matsu Daimyo.

Or am I underestimating the boost Tsubaki's personal actions will give her?

That's without Void. Awareness 5, Courtier 7 isn't unusual for Rank 5 Courtiers. That'd be 12k5, but since the cap for dice pools is 10 those rolled dice get bumped over to kept dice. If any rank 5 courtier bothers actually spending Void on spiking you, they're rolling 10k9.

With that said, you probably don't have to worry about the Cranes too much. Sacrosanct is a lovely Advantage that keeps you from being attacked by anybody with high Honor (such as those Cranes), and rescuing the Emperor gave it to you for free. The Scorpion, now....

As for training with Auntie, it will give you a massive advantage in at least one major scene that I have planned. It will also give you Awareness 6, additional ranks in your Perform and court-related skills, and a really useful School.

Training with Wakaba will raise your Perception, give you a bunch of intrigue skills, create an interesting Courtier school, raise Wakaba from Amateur to Average, and have a chance of something really cool happening. EDIT: Oh yeah, and teach you lip reading.
 
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The only thing I'm even a bit skeptical about is the personal action, but given just how small a fish we are I think focusing on diplomacy skills would be extremely useful long term. Sure focusing up intrigue would be useful when dealing with the scorpions, but if they decide to fuck us over we're kinds screwed no matter what we do. Better to try and convince them to work with us than to try and survive them working aginst us.
 
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...raise Wakaba from Amateur to Average...
Buffing our Master of Shadows head of the Catfish Ninja dojo head of the Catfish SHINOBI dojo Sneaky Person In Chief up from "Amateur" status seems like a very good reason to vote for interacting with Wakaba in and of itself, especially since the winning option for her Ring is "Increase the Size Of Our Spy Network".
 
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That's without Void. Awareness 5, Courtier 7 isn't unusual for Rank 5 Courtiers. That'd be 12k5, but since the cap for dice pools is 10 those rolled dice get bumped over to kept dice. If any rank 5 courtier bothers actually spending Void on spiking you, they're rolling 10k9.

With that said, you probably don't have to worry about the Cranes too much. Sacrosanct is a lovely Advantage that keeps you from being attacked by anybody with high Honor (such as those Cranes), and rescuing the Emperor gave it to you for free. The Scorpion, now....

For comparison purposes, folks, the Scorpion Courtiers are not generally as good as the Crane... except in their particular areas of focus, in which they reign supreme and unchallenged. Which is to say whispers, blackmail and manipulation.

At rank one, a Bayushi Courtier gains a Free Raise on his social rolls for every three points of social or mental disadvantages possessed by an opponent. Against Tsubaki, that currently means only one Free Raise, unless our Clan's Infamy counts against us there. They also gain a Free Raise when spreading rumours or gossip, have an automatic focus (which allows them to reroll 1's) in Gossip, and can choose to automatically conceal that they are the source of said gossip.

Note that rumours don't have to be negative, but they do play a powerful roll in shaping public opinion. After all, in Rokugan the truth and that which appears to be the truth are held to be of equivalent value. If the Scorpion like us, we'll be benefiting from a good reputation coming in and everyone will think better of us. If they oppose us, we'll be running straight into a wall of whispers and having to fight and claw for every gain.

At rank two, a Bayushi Courtier gains Shallow Waters, which means they get to chat with us for a few moments and then work out what our lowest mental traits and social skills are. Which means they'll easily figure out that while Tsubaki is surprisingly sensitive to social nuance and stubborn as an ox, she's not the brightest and lacks all but the most basic of schooling in the courtly arts.

At rank three, a Scorpion learns that Secrets are Birthmarks. This allows them to uncover the details of any Social or Mental disadvantages that we possess - basically, they'll instantly work out that Tsubaki is Idealistic, and that means they pick up an excellent understanding of how our mind works. This is represented by them gaining the Blackmail advantage, though it's not so much actual blackmail as an intuitive grasp of what they need to say or do in order to elicit any particular reaction from us.

Rank four is where they get seriously nasty. If a Scorpion Courtier possesses Blackmail on someone, which is to say has spent ten minutes in conversation with them, their opponent's dice cannot explode. The Scorpion can also spend a Void point to force the opponent to roll using a different social stat of their choice - if they're manipulating Tsubaki, they'll probably pick Intelligence (remember that their rank two ability let's them know how low our stats are). Say hello to an effective -3k3 penalty on our most important rolls, folks!

Then you get to Rank Five, No More Masks. Multiple times a 'session', the Bayushi Courtier gets to wield the force of rumour and gossip to utterly ruin their target. Specifically, they roll Courtier (Gossip)/Awareness against Etiquette/Awareness, and if successful inflict the Sworn Enemy or Obligation disadvantages on their targets. So they get to either create a feud between Tsubaki and someone of their choice, or place Tsubaki and the Catfish badly in debt to someone.

Remember they're getting gossip bonuses on this, can make Tsubaki roll using her worst stats, and if ther succeed will end up providing more bonuses for themselves via their Rank One technique. If they took the time to get some Blackmail on the innocent little samurai, they get a +5k0 to this roll as well.

It's also worth noting that according to the Errata, technically No More Masks can also inflict Social Disadvantage on the target, which is to say 'strip Tsubaki of her title and make her a ronin once more'. I tend to assume that was a mistake and they actually meant for 'Bad Reputation' to translate to 'Infamous'.

In summary, a Bayushi Courtier is a fantastic friend to have, especially if you're interested in a robust Intrigue benefit, and a terrifying enemy. Our relationship with the Crab and general lowborn origins makes a friendship with the Crane unlikely, so I would highly recommend we look into establishing friendly ties with the Scorpion.

Especially if we can find a way to let them know about the familial connection. The fact that the Scorpion are incredibly loyal to their friends and family is about their one redeeming feature. And let's be honest, since the Emperor likes us they'll be looking for a way to establish positive ties of their own... if only to aggravate the Crane, which is always funny.
 
Buffing our Master of Shadows head of the Catfish Ninja dojo head of the Catfish SHINOBI dojo Sneaky Person In Chief up from "Amateur" status seems like a very good reason to vote for interacting with Wakaba in and of itself, especially since the winning option for her Ring is "Increase the Size Of Our Spy Network".

The winning option for her ring is actually 'Spy on the Nobles'.
 
Well, the minorest of minor clans that directly hold the Emprah's favor.....

Point.

Of course, in the "minus" column...

"Yes, such a shame my wife had that tragic accident, it is with a heavy heart that I will rule the Namazu Clan as regent until our son is of age oh by the way we've just been absorbed by the Scorpion Clan."
 
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Point.

Of course in the "minus" column...

"Yes a shame my wife had that tragic accident, I will rule the Namazu Clan as regent until our son is of age oh by the way we've just been absorbed by the Scorpion Clan."

Absorbing a minor clan is rare in the extreme, and would not happen without close scrutiny should the emprah's personal friend happen to unfortunately die.

So we're good for a generation or so. :V
 
I think we can all agree that good relations with the scorpion clan are vital for our long term survival. They are probably the most well suited to destroying us, and thats in addition to all of the ways a major clan on our border could make our lives difficult. Hopefully whatever byzantine agenda they have will be served by a prosperous trading city on there border.

would some sort of under the table deal where we go blind and deaf when looking for any scorpion agents who set up shop in our lands so long as they don't cause trouble be feasible? I know that historically trade cites are a good place to set up intelligence networks due to all the traffic.
 
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Year 913 - Turn 1 Dice Results
Calling the vote closed a little early, since there's been discussion, but no additional voting.

Plan Anowack:

Uncomfortable Merchants
Patron Of the Arts
Spy on Nobles
Standardize Equipment
Inari's Blessing
Water
Study with Hatsuyuki.

Let's roll some dice!

Uncomfortable Merchants: 8k4 - 4k4 Trade 4, 2k0 Yu, 1k0 Minato synergy, 1k0 Hatsuyuki Synergy: 45

Patron of the Arts: 9k4 - 3k3 Diplomacy 3, 5k0 Hatsuyuki, 1k1 Tsubaki: 56 (holy hell...)

Spy On Nobles: 4k2 - 2k2 Information 2, 2k0 Wakaba: 14

Standardize Equipment - 9k4 - 4k4 Battle 4, 5k0 Minato: 32

Blessings of Inari - 5k2 - 2k2 Enlightenment 2, 3k0 Chouko: 17

Earth was TN 20, Pass/Fail - PASS
Air was TN 25, variable success - 6 raises
Spy On Nobles was TN 10, variable success - Pass, 0 Raises
Standardize Equipment was TN 15, Pass/Fail - PASS
Blessings of Inari was TN 15, Pass/Fail - PASS

Looks like a pretty good round!
storybookknight threw 10 10-faced dice. Reason: Earth, 8k4 Total: 55
2 2 9 9 10 10 1 1 2 2 10 10 6 6 1 1 5 5 9 9
storybookknight threw 12 10-faced dice. Reason: Air Total: 74
8 8 1 1 2 2 10 10 9 9 8 8 2 2 5 5 10 10 10 10 1 1 8 8
storybookknight threw 4 10-faced dice. Reason: Water Total: 23
4 4 5 5 9 9 5 5
storybookknight threw 9 10-faced dice. Reason: Fire Total: 48
9 9 1 1 3 3 3 3 9 9 5 5 7 7 7 7 4 4
storybookknight threw 5 10-faced dice. Reason: Void Total: 26
8 8 1 1 9 9 7 7 1 1
 
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Hopefully whatever byzantine agenda they have will be served by a prosperous trading city on there border.
There's a bunch of ways a nearby trading and tourism city can be useful to the Scorpion, especially if we're not exactly cracking down on smuggling.

I wonder if we could set up as something of a neutral ground? If we're known for high-quality performing arts, various leaders and diplomats have an official excuse for discreet meetings in our territory.
 
Dese Dice...

Ranged from okay to amazing.

(And yes, 14/17 when you're keeping two is pretty good)

Patron of the Arts--in particular--went absolutely, unbelievably amazing.
 
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Dese Dice...

Ranged from okay to amazing.

(And yes, 14/17 when you're keeping two is pretty good)

Patron of the Arts--in particular--went absolutely, unbelievably amazing.

Yup. TN 50 is what they call "Heroic" difficulty in the rulebook. Now I just have to come up with a description to do it justice....
 
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