the departing nobles are corrupt enough that associating with them opens more attack vectors.

It maybe would be, if it weren't for the fact that accusing of cozying up to the corrupt requires admitting to all the corrupt samurai the great clans were sending, which does... Not sound great for the attacker's life expectancy.
 
[X] Plan Neptune

[X] Unraveling Genryu's Accounts
[X] Noble Friends
-[X] Putting 1000 koku
[X] Recruit a Larger Spy Network
- [X] Putting 1000 koku

Unravelling the accounts helps us decrease any potential corruption in our administration, while also giving us an informational edge and the possibility of reacquiring funds that were paid to these people in the past. This option also synergies wonderfully with Noble Friends enhancing it even further, especially with the 1k koku, giving us a fantastic edge in both the near future and long-term. This combination of options should also act as a quasi "spy on the departing nobles", if we should have the need to do so, especially if taken at the same time as recruiting a larger spy network.

The Spy Network also sets us up next turn for a dedicated action into spying on the Brotherhood to acquire information, so we could potentially attack the turn afterwards if that is desirable. It should also synergize with Unraveling the Accounts too.

[X] An Easy Victory
- [X] The Forest Killers

The reason I'm taking this is because it says it can earn some Glory for the winter court (and these guys were the excuse the Emperor used as to whom attacked him if I remember correctly?), it's an easy option and a way to build some greater camaraderie, and importantly increases our reputation among the merchants. The latter is important as I'm not taking Uncomfortable Merchants, so it should ideally delay any negatives from happen at least this turn.

I mentioned earlier that establishing a network this turn allows us to spy on the Brotherhood next turn which should provide significantly greater information. Given we have two actions in each category next turn we can easily get both the equipment and training done, thus giving our forces the information/ability/equipment needed to strike right afterwards. This would seem to be the ideal way of going about it IMO.

[X] [X] Inari's Blessings
May as well get it while we can.

[X] Water: Getting the pulse of the region, and extricating bandits before they become entrenched.
[X] Work with Wakaba to eliminate corruption in your own ranks. Between your gifts of emotional insight and her powers of physical observation, you should be able to make sure that those serving you are loyal and trustworthy. Plus you wouldn't mind learning to read lips.

The informational edge is key as is getting rid of the bandits. Both of these are greatly beneficial in establishing a presence in a province, but importantly given the Scorpion are next do should they decide to do something this hinders the easy ways of going about it.

Eliminating corruption in our own ranks is good, as is the ability to read lips.
 
It maybe would be, if it weren't for the fact that accusing of cozying up to the corrupt requires admitting to all the corrupt samurai the great clans were sending, which does... Not sound great for the attacker's life expectancy.

If they were stupid enough to just tar them all with the same brush.

Different matter if they know who's dirty and have evidence.
 
My main problem with anowack's plan is I have severe misgivings about blowing our entire budget. Important question, is this our budget for the round or the year?
 
[x] anowack

More questions

  1. Will we get an age for Tsubaki?
  2. Will we get a personal inventory for her?
  3. Will the air option of contacting the canaries be available next turn?
 
Learning we only have this turn before Winter court radically changed my initial votes.

My revised ones are as follows

Earth

[ X ] A Weather Eye on the Markets - Yu could devote himself to watching who exactly is buying and selling in the Zakyo Toshi markets, allowing you to accurately gauge what your trading partners need, and what they will sell most cheaply. This will grant you a great deal of advantage at Winter Court when it comes to trade negotiations, especially with the Unicorn, Crane, Scorpion, and Crab.


May be a moot point as this assumes that the Major clans will even be willing to trade with you, but this may be the only Winter Court your clan is invited to literally for years. Given that it makes sense to prepare for any possible advantage and to arm yourself with the knowledge that will allow you to make deals to secure your clans prosperity for years to come.


Air

[ X ] A Patron Of The Arts - Hatsuyuki believes that one of your larger obstacles to public acceptance is the Catfish Clan's public recognition and friendship with the geisha of the Flower District. Since she doesn't care to suggest that you change that in any way, the other alternative is to try to legitimize it. Allowing geisha houses to set up public theaters, music halls, and other means by which they can make their living that do not involve sex work could help to change the reputation of geisha from prostitutes to artisans - if low-class ones. More to the point, she says, if a samurai has a plausible excuse not to take notice of a distasteful activity, they will - and legitimizing geisha would give them that excuse.

[ X] Putting 1000 koku behind the project would allow for the change to happen much more rapidly, and could lead you to see a return on your investment as a performance industry takes hold.


Perception is everything in the eyes of the clans. If you are seen as jumped up Ronin that freely associate with sex workers in the eyes of the other clans then whatever prestige you have earned through your actions may be destroyed.

However if you can show you are making legitimate and semi respectable those who were once far less you may be looked at much more favorably.

Again this comes down to the fact this will be the first time you are presented to representatives of the gathered Major clans. The impression you create here may impact the course of your entire clans history and the way the others perceive you. Best to get it right from the start.


Water

[ X ] Recruit a Larger Spy Network - Wakaba's operation is mainly composed of children. If she has time, she can train additional people to greatly expand her reach and make all future operations more reliable. She also mentions offhand that discreetly looking for a hinin torturer to assist in interrogations of anyone that you arrest would make a more violent approach to the Brotherhood much more viable.


You need more information before you can take action. There is too much risk spying on the departed Nobles or trying to spy on the Brotherhood now could backfire. Likewise kicking their rock could just drive them further underground.

You need better information so that when you act against them it is truly a decisive strike.


Fire

[ X ] An Easy Victory - Tempers are running high in the ranks of the Namazu bushi, and the best way to get everybody to play nice together is to go find something to kill. Either the Forest Killers or the river pirates to the north would make for a good way to build espirit de corps, weed out a few of the weaklings, and earn some Glory to take to Winter Court, as well as improving your reputation among the merchants that said bandits typically prey upon.


- [ X ] The River Pirates (starts skirmish turn, slightly harder)


Tempting as it is to focus on standardizing their equipment I think you need to put your new Bushi to use to both bind them together and show the other clans that you are acting as appropriate stewards of your new domain.

To my mind this is two birds with one stone.

All the other actions can be built up later. This is the only one that is time sensitive as it impacts on our Winter Court appearance. May also be a potential source of funds and resources depending how much the pirates have gathered.

Final reason I favor this over the Forrest Warriors.

The Emperor basically pointed the clan at the Forrest Warriors as the source of the attack on him as a way to regain their honor.

If we act against them we may be stepping on the Crab's toes as they are touchy about their duty.

I don't want to risk our relations with the only Great Clan ally we currently have.


I would also recommend you personally attend or participate in this as your new troops need to get used to being lead by and following you. At the start you need to cement this in their minds.


Void

[ X ] Inari's Blessings - Thanks to the Miya family's gift of rice, many of the city's poor are finally eating well, and singing your praises. Chouko suggests building temples to Inari to help to distribute that grain, and to turn those thoughts of mere gratitude into thoughts of gratitude and faith. She does note that this will be easiest to do early, before people become used to the extra food and to attributing that food to the government. (Requires 1000 koku)


Again time sensitive. The greatest benefit of this will only occur now, lets take advantage of it.


Boss Koibu: Is just breaking ground and getting started in Wave Province. You suggest that he focus on:
[X ] Water: Getting the pulse of the region, and extricating bandits before they become entrenched.


Again need information to determine the best course of action.

Don't want to start building up Profitable Industry as it may attract the attention of bandits or the bigger clans.

Likewise going Military heavy right from the start may have a similar reaction.

I would recommend starting with water, followed by Air so that we can best direct our efforts while avoiding areas of potential threat we identify.


Personal:

[X ] Learn the ways of Court from Hatsuyuki. You are going to be at Winter Court in six months, and acquitting yourself well there would be a great boon to your Clan. You can't help but think that her abilities to manipulate emotions would come in handy...


If this is the only turn we have before the court then I think this is essential.

You need this in order to create the best possible impression and avoid any pitfalls and traps from the representatives of the Great Clans.

Again this is your first and possibly only chance to make an impression to them. Need every possible weapon at our disposal to make the best of it.
 
It has been an impressively active thread. Here is my response to what has been posted while I was asleep.

Patron of the Arts will drop our Infamy before Winter Court.
Dropping Infamy isn't an end goal in of itself. It is a prerequisite step on the path to achieving something else. What is it that you intend to achieve by dropping infamy? Is your end goal worth giving up an opportunity to establish an Empire broad network of network of allies and contacts?

We've currently something of a hole in our diplomatic "armor" because our clan considers prostitutes to be people.

As a new minor clan, people are going to be seeking leverage on us.

Winter Court isn't just a place where we can make alliances and connections with other clans - it's also a vector by which we can be attacked.

And if we try to build a trading empire, we'll certainly be attacked - the people who already have them aren't interested in competition.
We aren't currently trying to build a trade empire so much as take advantage of the fact that we are a trade hub. Doing that doesn't require stepping on anybodies toes. Furthermore, there are currently two great clans that have an element with explicit focus on trade and commerce, the Crab Yasuki family and the Crane Daidoji Trade Council. The one that matters more to us is the Crab and they are already predisposed to liking us. Furthermore, any attempts to impress to Daidoji are going to not only be difficult, because of the Crane's current distaste for us, but not all that rewarding given their distance from us. Finally, I believe that our existing high social skills and the favor of the host clan should be enough to ensure we don't wind up getting torn apart at court.

Making a good first impression with the clans? It's pointed out that it's rare for a minor clan to be invited, so we'll probably not get the chance again anytime soon. And first impressions tend to be persistent.
We can try to win big and impress everyone, but what exactly do you then intend to do with that impression. It seems to me that nobody is answering the question of how exactly we leverage a good impression into something tangible. It just seems to me to be very round-about to invest resources into impressing people at court in the hopes of somehow using that to better ourselves at home, when there exist a lot of clear and easy ways to simply skip to bettering ourselves at home. Furthermore, I question just how important it is having an impressive instead of just acceptable impression at this Winter Court. While we may not frequently interact with all of the Major Clans, we will certainly frequently interact with our neighbors. How much do we really care what the Dragon clan thinks of us?

Absolutely would.

We're a minor clan allied to a major clan.

Our very first Winter court is the perfect time to entrap the newbie....and the departing nobles are corrupt enough that associating with them opens more attack vectors.

Welcome new boss, same as old boss.
Two things. As pointed out previously we already have impressive social stats, and a very impressive ability to read intentions. We are a quite hard target to entrap. Furthermore, how are clans going to know about us reaching out to the departing nobles? They might learn eventually, but its not like they instantly know our every choice. Finally, any implications that we are corrupt due to our association with the nobles requires admitting that they were corrupt. That is going to mean insulting at least one of the other Great Clans and almost certainly more.

If they were stupid enough to just tar them all with the same brush.

Different matter if they know who's dirty and have evidence.
Even if they have evidence, perhaps especially if they have evidence it still is an insult and worse an embarrassment to the nobles clan to bring it up. Whats more is that the previous ruler of the city kept a pretty tight lid on things, so its not guaranteed that everyone is aware of what is going on, much less have evidence.

Theaters increase income at least
Theater is also going to generate income if we do it next turn. Which is one of the reasons I will most likely vote for it then.


If this is the only turn we have before the court then I think this is essential.

You need this in order to create the best possible impression and avoid any pitfalls and traps from the representatives of the Great Clans.

Again this is your first and possibly only chance to make an impression to them. Need every possible weapon at our disposal to make the best of it.
My question for you is what do you want to do with that good impression, and would a decent one suffice. You are sacrificing a lot in favor of gearing up for court, what return do you expect on that. If your goal is simply to avoid being tripped up by the Great Clans remember that the host is predisposed to like us and that our character is very good at detecting (Empathy) and worming her way out (Good etiquette rolls) of these things.


So I guess the gist of my argument is that people are putting a lot of priority on making a good impression on court without putting a lot of thought into what exactly they intend to get out of it. It is natural to always want to look good, but I question how much actual value we can get out of it. Remember, every time you select a court oriented option you forego domestic an option that is guaranteed, barring bad dice, to directly improve the clan.

Other people seem to be choosing court option because they are afraid people are going to tear us apart or trick us up in court. Remember the characters existing strengths in detecting and avoiding these kinds of social traps. Furthermore, we already have the favor of the Crab and the Emperor clan, the host and most important figure of the court respectively. This is a fairly friendly court we are going in to.

Please forgive and point out any unclear sentences or typos. I just woke up. This thread has had some really great discussion and I am really enjoying it. I would also encourage people that simply left a plan vote to explain why they support the plan.

Edit: I will be away from my computer for some time, but will respond in six hours or so. I would like to make one last request that people give a short reasons, just a sentence or two, for their choices.
 
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If they were stupid enough to just tar them all with the same brush.

Different matter if they know who's dirty and have evidence.

No even if they still pick specific targets that target will presumably be a member of a great clan (if you'd like I'd even be down with not bothering to schmooze with outgoing minor clansmen to guarantee this,) and they risk said great clan taking offense. Even if they're not actually there we're open to comment on how they're making these accusations without the accused or even their clansmen being around to defend them.

I'm not saying no one will attempt to attack us on it, but if anyone does they won't get out of it unscathed.
 
[X] Uncomfortable Merchants
[X] Patron of the Arts
-[X] Spend 1000 koku on it
[X] Recruit A Larger Spy Network
-[X] Spend 1000 koku on it
[X] Standardize The Equipment
[X] Inari's Blessing
[X] Boss Koibu: Water
[X] Work With Wakaba
 
After some consideration, switching my vote to this:

[X] Uncomfortable Merchants
[X] Patron of the Arts
-[X] Spend 1000 koku on it
[X] Recruit A Larger Spy Network
-[X] Spend 1000 koku on it
[X] Start a training program
[X] Inari's Blessing
[X] Boss Koibu: Water
[X] Work With Wakaba
 
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**Goes to bed**
**Wakes up to see a whole extra page of responses**
**Joy**
**Realizes that now he has to count votes**
**Sorrow**

Seriously, thanks everyone for your interest in this thread, and thank you especially for continuing to debate in a polite and friendly manner. That matters a lot to my sanity.

Currently @anowack 's plan is in the lead, both by number of people supporting it as a coherent plan and by the individual vote components. Vote isn't closed yet, but I am definitely starting to think about the responses and results to those actions.

[x] anowack

More questions

  1. Will we get an age for Tsubaki?
  2. Will we get a personal inventory for her?
  3. Will the air option of contacting the canaries be available next turn?

1. I keep forgetting to say it, don't I? Tsubaki is 24.

2. Not unless I have a strong reason to do so. I'm going to follow laws of narrative convenience on this one - if a plan calls for her to take out the bow that she had all along, well by golly she had that bow all along unless it's completely impossible for her to have done so (such as being currently in Court in the Emperor's presence, for instance.)

3. Yes, but you run a greater risk of the Autumn Brotherhood contacting the Canaries and teaming up with them in the meantime.
 
Man, I did not expect my plan to start gaining a bunch of votes.

My main problem with anowack's plan is I have severe misgivings about blowing our entire budget. Important question, is this our budget for the round or the year?

Spending all three thousand koku is my main problem with the plan also; my interpretation was that this was our budget for the rest of the year, but that this round also covered the rest of the year. (So we'd get a new set of income for the next round.)

If that's not the case, I'd be inclined to alter my vote to save the money on equipment. (Possibly with a minor write in to start making plans for later upgrades, though that may go without saying.)
 
[X] Uncomfortable Merchants
[X] Patron of the Arts
-[X] Spend 1000 koku on it
[X] Recruit A Larger Spy Network
-[X] Spend 1000 koku on it
[X] Standardize The Equipment
[X] Inari's Blessing
[X] Boss Koibu: Water
[X] Work With Wakaba
 
Man, I did not expect my plan to start gaining a bunch of votes.



Spending all three thousand koku is my main problem with the plan also; my interpretation was that this was our budget for the rest of the year, but that this round also covered the rest of the year. (So we'd get a new set of income for the next round.)

If that's not the case, I'd be inclined to alter my vote to save the money on equipment. (Possibly with a minor write in to start making plans for later upgrades, though that may go without saying.)

Yes, 3000 is your budget for both the round and the year, and you will get new money next round.

Resources for gifts for Winter Court have already been set aside. You can spend extra on gifts if you really want to, but your advisers believe you shouldn't try to compete with the Great Clans on how expensive your gifts are.
 
Yes, 3000 is your budget for both the round and the year, and you will get new money next round.

Resources for gifts for Winter Court have already been set aside. You can spend extra on gifts if you really want to, but your advisers believe you shouldn't try to compete with the Great Clans on how expensive your gifts are.
If they wanted they could blow our entire budget on one gift, I'm sure.
 
[X] Uncomfortable Merchants
[X] Patron of the Arts
-[X] Spend 1000 koku on it
[X] Recruit A Larger Spy Network
-[X] Spend 1000 koku on it
[X] Standardize The Equipment
[X] Inari's Blessing
[X] Boss Koibu: Water
[X] Work With Wakaba
 
[X] Uncomfortable Merchants
[X] Patron of the Arts
-[X] Spend 1000 koku on it
[X] Recruit A Larger Spy Network
-[X] Spend 1000 koku on it
[X] Standardize The Equipment
[X] Inari's Blessing
[X] Boss Koibu: Water
[X] Work With Wakaba
 
[X] Uncomfortable Merchants
[X] Patron of the Arts
-[X] Spend 1000 koku on it
[X] Recruit A Larger Spy Network
-[X] Spend 1000 koku on it
[X] Standardize The Equipment
[X] Inari's Blessing
[X] Boss Koibu: Water
[X] Work With Wakaba
 
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Current category leaders are:
Uncomfortable Merchants
Patron Of the Arts
Spy on Nobles
Standardize Equipment
Inari's Blessing
Water
Work with Wakaba (by a nose).

Given that the lead for Wakaba is so small and that the rest of the plan conforms to @anowack 's plan completely, I am tempted to remain with anowack's choice of Hatsuyuki, though my opinion on this could change.

Voting will close at around 4:30 EST (in 4 hours.)
 
It looks like conversation has mostly dried up, which is unfortunate. It would be nice if people were to post some, just a sentence or so, of reasoning when they vote.

I guess the only thing left is if people want Hatsuyuki or Wakaba. Unsurprisingly I strongly favor Wakaba. I think that it is imperative that we purge any troublemakers, especially before we leave the city on its own for quite some time while we attend the Winter Court. Furthermore, I would remind people that lipreading would be a very useful asset to have in court. Lastly people who voted for Chouko or Minato might want to think about who they prefer from the two leading options.
 
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