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Kingdom of God: A Quest of Holy Revolution

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ScottishMongol said:
Could it not be said that in the wretched world our enemies have built, we all must sell our bodies, our values, and our dignity?

Is there a difference between a man must sell his back and hands in the factory to eat, and the Ultrapugilist in the ring? Between the criminal who sells mind-rotting drugs and the man who tends a factory furnace that chokes the lungs with soot? Between those who bow and scrape before a benefactor, and those who degrade themselves to please the boss who employment he holds in the palm of his hand?

Truly, no matter which way we turn we must give up a part of ourselves. This is the qay of things which we seek to change.
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Indeed so: Thus in my appeal I choose the compromises that our Teachings tell us to take,, and those where our spirits are at their most resolute; of Faith and Fist.
 
[X] Plan Holy Syndicalism

[X] Plan Holy Syndicalism v2
-[X] Consecrate it as a mass section [Convent of the Gunpowder Eucharist founded as a Mass Section committed to missionary work among the women of the city].
-[X] Enter into the Ultrapugilist Great Ghadi Tournament [Chance for significant fame and prize money for individual sect members].
-[X] Involve yourself in the city's smuggling underground [Provides variable but significant income and construction of underground connections].
-[X] The Mount, to reach out to the urbanites and free peasants of the Lower Hadit [Chance of spread to Dargang, Ralabarak, Davad Circle].
-[X] Participate in the Standard-Cult Meetings.
-[X] Keep quiet on what happened in Hasadaya.

Actually, approval voting that + an altered version where we do not yet spill our stories to the navel of the world, because considering the reality of the situation
Cetashwayo said:
The city of Nachivan proper is divided from the surrounding exarchate suburbs by a considerable and lucrative customs wall which brings significant revenue to the Patriarch but is utterly hated by residents on both sides.
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Insanity, customs between metropole & suburb.

Fellow disciples, we do not need to go into, say, yamroot trade. Delivering perfectly safe goods past this ridiculous barrier to people in need of it is a valid way to gather wealth for our liberatory cause without compromising our religious fervor.
 
I have set the next voting time. You have a little over 23 hours to get your votes in. Plan Holy Syndicalism is now 14-11 to Shevah's Appeal. Delighted by all the argumentation and twists and turns.
 
The Holy Syndicalism plan seems problematic to me, since we're publishing our escape, which will bring the attention of the authorities, and then engaging in actual illegal smuggling activity. It seems like a recipe for trouble.

Worst imo, is we don't actually take advantage of our strengths as a sect of pugilism, and actually do pugilism to make money.
 
When it comes to publishing our escape, I figure we're going to put a target on our backs almost immediately no matter what we do. If we keep it quiet, we won't get any benefits and they'll just pin something else on us anyways.
 
ScottishMongol said:
When it comes to publishing our escape, I figure we're going to put a target on our backs almost immediately no matter what we do. If we keep it quiet, we won't get any benefits and they'll just pin something else on us anyways.
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I'm not sure I agree with this? It's been stated that A) it is currently pilgrim season and B) subversive sects are popping up like mushrooms after rain. As such, the City is overfilled far past the capacity of the lawkeepers to target every single potentially troublemaking element, there is simple too much noise, which we can easily get lost in.

Like, it's been stated that every year the amount of pilgrims just keeps increasing, and it's implied that every year the Jurors have failed to adapt to that. That the Eternal City is currently undergoing a golden age of blossoming of entire trees of alternate thought, much of it subversive or opposed to the current order, with radical pamphlets getting printed as fast as printers can make them.

As such, if we're not actively spreading far and wide stories of "Look how we flouted the authority of the Jurors and got away with it too!", we should hopefully be fine in the short to medium term, by which point we have hopefully built up a decent power-base and influence to help deal with Juror attention.

On the other hand, if we do publish the story, and pilgrim season ends, and the Jurors pull out their little books and see, "Ah, the 'Free' ey? Still here are they? Round them up!" that will put a bit of a damper on our operations I think.

It's been implied that yes, the Jurors are waiting for after the Sanhedron to round up subversive elements, and will trump up charges to accomplish that. But it feels like there are simply too many of those right now, and they're going to have to prioritize, and I think trying to be lower on that priority list will make it harder for us to get uprooted when they get around to it.
 
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ScottishMongol said:
When it comes to publishing our escape, I figure we're going to put a target on our backs almost immediately no matter what we do. If we keep it quiet, we won't get any benefits and they'll just pin something else on us anyways.
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So for the sake of Ambition and convenience, you would willingly betray Holy Fighter Akov and our Juror brothers who abandoned everything to live with us?

Make no mistake, if the story is published. There is probably a good chance that most of our sect will be able to survive. We are good enough at that. But the Sword-Altar Banner will never allow our Flagellants to live. They will hunt them down to the ends of the Earth and destroy them so utterly that even their stories will be forgotten.

Of course, if that is what we wish to do. I do not believe our Juror brothers would protest too much. Immolation for brothers and sisters who live with them is a far worthier martyrdom than Immolation for a Banner that never cared for them. But at least let us be honest about what we are doing, they are our brothers they deserve honesty if nothing else.
 
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[x] The Appeal of Chedyanki Shevah

I've been seduced by the sinister appeal of the shonen battle anime tournament arc.

Also kinda want to see more of my boy Samangan.
 
Yeah, I'm still for Shevah's appeal. Perhaps it is hypocrisy to dislike smuggling. One must consider the nature of our escape... furthermore, perhaps in the face of the evils that sit within the holiest of holy cities, such activities are not sinful, especially considering the nature of some of the things we would be smuggling. Either way, I am not so eager to throw the sect directly into Nachivan's underworld.

Furthermore I am very fond, as @HeWhoAdds says above, of the idea of a battle tournament arc haha
 
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A reminder rhat if you dislike the publishing of our escape & day labor within Holy Syndicalism, you coud approval vote for Holy Syndicalism v2 instead which opted for ultrapugilist tourney, smuggling, & keeping our escape secret

I admit the name of my plan is a misnomer. I should have probably named it after Anchises' plan, which my plan is more similar to. But oh well.
 
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[X] The Appeal of Chedyanki Shevah

Hmm. 'Working in factories to spread the word' seems rather reminiscent of that putrid waste of bright minds commonly known as 'True Confession". Rather not!

But I find myself disquieted voting in this way. Not for any particular objections about the content of the proposal (my limited intellect has little clue what the best path forward may be) but because my opinion on all the day's matters is set by my opinion on one. Perhaps our future discussions would be more lively and liberated if we decided the issues individually, instead of by overarching proposals.
 
It is too late to change it now but my general inclination in the future will be to not do plan votes. I think it makes more sense with my vote style to make things by line. To avoid disruptions we will keep this one by plan but given how much work I put into making each vote a discrete issue it would make sense to allow line voting. And if people see particular combos they like they can just argue for them.
 
Random Member said:
Brother, you've never even met a True Confessor in your life! Stop speaking nonsense.
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It is true that I have not witnessed the ailment firsthand, but I have encountered its doctrine in my studies! I was not able to carry off my papers into exile, so I lack a copy of my own wicked Against Schismatic Dualism. Do not go back to Yomri seeking one - the writing of that foolishness is still etched into my mind! Every drop of false intellectual pride at some 'connection' drawn between Confession and Pugilism, every juvenile jab at our friends in this blessed doctrine - I remember them all!

But, delirious with sleep deprivation as I was, I do not remember authoring my assaults on the Confessors! Though I denounce the work as a whole, those arguments in particular could only have been a gift from God! They are too beautiful to summarize in this place - especially with important business afoot - and I cannot claim any credit for a God-given gift, but if I encounter the text again in my travels I shall copy out sections 874b, 942a, and 1003a-4 for you, dearest friend!

(OOC: "okay yes this essay was slander against the one true doctrine - but there are some real bangers in there")
 
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