Kingdom of God: A Quest of Holy Revolution

[X] The Doctrine of Relentless Illumination. A doctrine that demands a dedication to missionary effort and appeal to the masses even when they at first reject the words of the sect, Relentless Illumination is drawn from both the precursor to the Pugilists, the great Rav Karogen, and later militant pugilist writers such as Bavan Kina who emphasized the necessity of breadth of belief in order for Pugilism to survive. Relentless Illumination emphasizes an aggression and universalism in movement-building that competing sects and priestly authorities will find threatening.
 
I am confused about what people are trying to accomplish by flying the Six-Shin Aluf high? We are not going to spark a universal revolution, we're going to invite a taskforce to put us down. This seems an extremely foolish course of action, please reconsider (or convince me it is actually a good idea, either/or)

[X] The Doctrine of Relentless Illumination. A doctrine that demands a dedication to missionary effort and appeal to the masses even when they at first reject the words of the sect, Relentless Illumination is drawn from both the precursor to the Pugilists, the great Rav Karogen, and later militant pugilist writers such as Bavan Kina who emphasized the necessity of breadth of belief in order for Pugilism to survive. Relentless Illumination emphasizes an aggression and universalism in movement-building that competing sects and priestly authorities will find threatening.

I'm fine with any of these but this one appeals the most to me.

[X] As pilgrims, to show honest piety and shame those who would dare to stop us.

Typoes?
The criminals, when they are told of this, scoff and say that they have learned enough, that they do not need your advice, that the world is lost to you who have turned against it. But, Wendam says sharply, this world is a falsehood, and we will see it is lose once and for all.
:thonk: lost? I think?
And as the Sect faces the villagers of the sect, at the foot of ruin's dream another now is born.
The villagers of the what!?
As the Dyada inspects her cup of tea expecting it to be brewed with gunpowder Guru Wendam very kindly and calmly explains to her that the sect is on its way to Nachivan and cannot cover the costs of the trip, so they will need the tickets covered.
This feels like it needs an "as if" and maybe a comma.
 
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[X] The Doctrine of Extinguishment. A doctrine attacking the practice of immolation and Juror philosophy in general, extinguishment is a general critique of the honor and self-sacrificing culture of Juror tradition from a place of intimate familiarity and drawing from the Pasan Ghadi's writings. Pursuing this doctrine will significantly strengthen actions related to negotiating with, appealing to, and converting Jurors. It will however, also be seen by Juror Atamsans and Komandirs everywhere the sect spreads as a threat that must be rooted much earlier than otherwise.

The final campaign against the Five Evils approaches, and it is the Juries who have rendered the Patriarchate wholly unready for war! Not just through their unfathomable usury, bankrupting all! Not just through their neglect and cowardice, abandoning their wards to heathen hordes! No! Those temporal crimes are harmless compared to the corruption they have driven into the heart of the Eternal City. It is their gold that has chained the priesthood, their lies that have defiled the House of God! They are our enemy, and they must be destroyed.

And yet we have all seen how the banner-bearers fight. No free people could march to their deaths in that manner. Their chains - of foolish honor and tradition - provide almost as much courage as the chains of Truth. Why should we allow more brave warriors to hollow themselves in this way? They are proud and stiff-necked - but the righteous savor a chance to humble the arrogant. We shall fill these empty men with light and joy so that they shall turn on their superiors. We cannot heal them - but they shall heal themselves by destroying the instruments of their own damnation.

Er, forgive my rambling, friends!

(OOC: The Jurors are one of the most interesting aspects of this setting IMO. Mass movements are fun, but a soldiers' movement? Especially when those soldiers work directly for the big industrialists and landowners? Sign me up! Not sure about the banner choice yet.)

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[X] As pilgrims, to show honest piety and shame those who would dare to stop us.

Leaning towards this one, I think. We have to pass through some population centers on the way to Nachivan and all it'd take is one telegram for us to get into some serious hot water. Better to just disappear and reappear in Nachivan, if possible.
 
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[X] The Doctrine of Relentless Illumination. A doctrine that demands a dedication to missionary effort and appeal to the masses even when they at first reject the words of the sect, Relentless Illumination is drawn from both the precursor to the Pugilists, the great Rav Karogen, and later militant pugilist writers such as Bavan Kina who emphasized the necessity of breadth of belief in order for Pugilism to survive. Relentless Illumination emphasizes an aggression and universalism in movement-building that competing sects and priestly authorities will find threatening.

All shall see God, and all shall hear God, and all shall accept God. All shall become good, and all shall become righteous, and all shall become free.
 
[X] The Doctrine of Extinguishment. A doctrine attacking the practice of immolation and Juror philosophy in general, extinguishment is a general critique of the honor and self-sacrificing culture of Juror tradition from a place of intimate familiarity and drawing from the Pasan Ghadi's writings. Pursuing this doctrine will significantly strengthen actions related to negotiating with, appealing to, and converting Jurors. It will however, also be seen by Juror Atamsans and Komandirs everywhere the sect spreads as a threat that must be rooted much earlier than otherwise.

[X] As pilgrims, to show honest piety and shame those who would dare to stop us.
 
Jurors as a Social Class
(OOC: The Jurors are one of the most interesting aspects of this setting IMO. Mass movements are fun, but a soldiers' movement? Especially when those soldiers work directly for the big industrialists and landowners? Sign me up! Not sure about the banner choice yet.)

Just to give more information here, the jurors as we will explore in details are not just soldiers but anyone living on the Palatines or in the martial monasteries. All of Vaspukarani class politics falls on several axes; there are the legal and monastic clergy (the legal clergy being administrators and rulers, the monastic clergy being tied up in orders), the four chambers, some other divisions, and in the Jurors everyone is officially inside a super-order called the Holy Order of the Lord's Grand Jury (hence the name).

Juror Organization

This is then sub-divided into the High Juries, who form the regional leadership and are loyal only to the Patriarch, the Circle Juries, who form the garrison of the entire synodic circle (ie one of the Synodic Circles on the map, notice how every single circle has some juror territory) and are loyal to the local Archdeacons [who control the whole circles), the Palatine Juries who govern their palatine territories (and are self-governing and loyal only to the High Juries and cannot be revoked by even the Patriarch), and then individual civic garrisons loyal to the local Metropolitan.

Oftentimes the actual sitting members of these juries, elected by a common representative process, have family members in multiple levels of Juror Government. The election and selection process is very corrupt with every trick in the book you'd expect and sometimes even outright violence to fix votes. Over the years a number of notables and lineages have started to dominate and develop a stranglehold over Juror politics in most places except some backward or frontier garrisons where the old rules still apply.

Outside of the Autocephalates, who may be asked to levy their armies and navies to defend Vaspukaran in wartime (and some did so to great cost during the War with the Mare), Jurors are the only souls who may be asked to take up the sword outside of extreme emergencies. This was originally devised in part to spare the population from great feudal levies but also leaves a near monopoly of force in a social order with ambiguous loyalties to the Patriarch.

Within the Juries there are all kinds of sub-orders and such, and many Juror towns have prominent artisan orders (as the guild system is represented in Vaspukaran by holy orders as well, with abbots/prior, monks, and novices taking the place of masters, journeymen and apprentices). If this sounds very confusing, convuluted, and potentially politically a complete clusterfuck, that's because it is.

Jurors also belong to long-standing ceremonial organizations known as standards, who form into larger groups called Banners. Organizational units, these are basically treated as martial cults that worship some aspect of their Standard and Banner as holy and virtuous, similar to the veneration of specific saints or mystery cults. Standards have a looser naming scheme, while Banners are usually named after their founding member, great heroes, or some important event or commemorating legend. There is no standardization in size and catchment area, with some banners being 'ghost banners' with very few members and others being enormous and unwieldy.

The Jurors as Rising Class

One of the major crises in Vaspukaran is that elite Jurors (mainly Atamans and the leaders of specific sub-orders) have been using granted monopolies over a number of trade goods as well as the security of their treasuries to pursue a temple-led industrialization that is allowing them to massively strengthen their hold on power. They are far from the only ones doing this but they are currently the most effective. The result is that a holy martial order is transforming into a banking and industrial order, while still theoretically draped in a soldier's garments, and exercising its special rights in a way that is undermining the power structure of the country.

The fact that juror Palatines are self-governing untaxed areas of land with free trade between palatines also means that the Jurors, especially earlier on, were pursuing pockets of industrial development between far more undeveloped priestly territory, like some unholy amalgamation of the Zollverein, Special Economic Zones and the Holy Roman Empire's free cities.

Some specific garrisons have outsized local power: for example, the Jury of Nachivan was instrumental in the temple coup seventy-five years ago that brought down the last of the Infallible Patriarchs, the nickname given for the series of extremely powerful Patriarchs that founded a number of new orders and sought to make the Patriarch a truly absolute king of God's Kingdom. In the aftermath, the High Priesthood and Jurors took on much more power, and it was in this vacuum that industrialization really kicked off. The Jury of Nachivan still makes or breaks entire Patriarchal ministries. It often acts without reference to or even against the order of the High Jury of Kedarkan, to which it is theoretically subordinate to.

So key things to keep in mind:

1. Not all Jurors are soldiers, but most jurors are soldiers or have seen military service, and all have a very martial religious culture.
2. Jurors have unique self-organization and self-government in Vaspukaran, and an at least theoretically representative government of hierarchies of juries drawn from electors that goes up to the top. In reality, corruption, rotten buroughs, election-buying and low turnout is widespread and in some regions Komandirs and Atamans are drawn up by acclamation or by order from a higher-level jury. This happened to Black Elephant.
3. Their political system is fractious, decentralized, and all-over-the-place, with multiple competing poles of authority. They are not unified.
4. Their palatines were the leaders of early industrialization, and Juror monasteries are some of the largest banking establishments and investors in the country.
5. They are often blamed for everything, but Jurors as a class have enormous internal variation, and cut through from very poor urban dwellers in Juror towns and cities as well as dirt-scratching smallholders on the frontier to elite financier Atamans who in some ways are more powerful than the Patriarch himself.
6. Specific Juries are extremely powerful and have huge political influence.
 
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[X] As heroes, the Six-Shin Aluf flying high, to put fear into the heart of villainy.

The Patriarch acts to force all men, either those like the Jurors who hold their service as sacred duty, those craven enough to be turned by fear of the punishment wrought by men, or even those men foolish enough to be swayed by thoughts of material gain through our loss.
Perhaps the other Sects who have found the strength and clarity of purpose to fight this injustice would be better served by taking a peaceful stance, to reassure the common man that no harm shall befall them should they simply step aside.
But we are Pugilists! We oppose the Five Evils in whatever form they may take, to see humanity freed to enjoy prosperity, through force of arms if we must! We have already chosen to fight-and if we bow our heads as pilgrims ought, how will the common men find the courage to stand against the Juries?

Let the Six-Shin Aluf fly! Let all know that the resistance does not rely on God's revelation that Evil acts have hollowed out the strength that should belong to the Kingdom of God, but that they too, can stand against Evil wherever it might menace them! For if we Pugilists cannot fight the Evils, then who can stand against those corrupt Juries, who have become the heart of so many evils that plague man!
 
[X] The Doctrine of Extinguishment. A doctrine attacking the practice of immolation and Juror philosophy in general, extinguishment is a general critique of the honor and self-sacrificing culture of Juror tradition from a place of intimate familiarity and drawing from the Pasan Ghadi's writings. Pursuing this doctrine will significantly strengthen actions related to negotiating with, appealing to, and converting Jurors. It will however, also be seen by Juror Atamsans and Komandirs everywhere the sect spreads as a threat that must be rooted much earlier than otherwise.

We have seen our sins and weaknesses laid bare in the War of the Mare, my brothers and sisters in faith and battle, and those who lead us covered it up with immolation. I reject their false doctrine and their sinful lies!

[X] As heroes, the Six-Shin Aluf flying high, to put fear into the heart of villainy.
 
It's interesting to see the Patriarch doubling down on the mass pardon:
The Patriarch's edict has created mass chaos across the country, she says bitterly, as everywhere penitents either schismatic or pretending to be are trying to escape their estates and flee on trains, carriages, and footpaths home. She cannot understand why he would do something so foolish, especially to reinforce his edict a mere week later by saying those who oppose the freedom of those who he has pardoned will become penitents themselves.
Clearly, a lot of fine folks like our Komandir are resisting the order to free their penitents. The Patriarch's order might be a traditional part of the Grand Sanhedron, but it's also demonstrating how bad the rot really is. We don't have much of an insight into high-level politics (we just broke out of prison!), but I suspect the Patriarch might be drumming up this chaos to weaken the Jurors so he can wrestle some power out of their hands.

That's part of why I'm so hot on Extinguishment: I suspect the Jurors will be taking a lot of hits in the Sanhedron. Funnily enough, the people with the guns might be one of the safer enemies to have, at least politically! :V

Plus, Hyanaki Akov is precious and I want to give him and his buddies everything.
 
[X] The Doctrine of Relentless Illumination. A doctrine that demands a dedication to missionary effort and appeal to the masses even when they at first reject the words of the sect, Relentless Illumination is drawn from both the precursor to the Pugilists, the great Rav Karogen, and later militant pugilist writers such as Bavan Kina who emphasized the necessity of breadth of belief in order for Pugilism to survive. Relentless Illumination emphasizes an aggression and universalism in movement-building that competing sects and priestly authorities will find threatening.

[X] As heroes, the Six-Shin Aluf flying high, to put fear into the heart of villainy.
 
[X] The Doctrine of Extinguishment. A doctrine attacking the practice of immolation and Juror philosophy in general, extinguishment is a general critique of the honor and self-sacrificing culture of Juror tradition from a place of intimate familiarity and drawing from the Pasan Ghadi's writings. Pursuing this doctrine will significantly strengthen actions related to negotiating with, appealing to, and converting Jurors. It will however, also be seen by Juror Atamsans and Komandirs everywhere the sect spreads as a threat that must be rooted much earlier than otherwise.

[X] As pilgrims, to show honest piety and shame those who would dare to stop us.

We're totally the Patriarch's strongest soldiers, we swear!
 
so the choice of buffs is:
Subverting The Guardians Of The State
Big Tent Revolution
and Mass Appeal

I really like Extinguishment as a character choice- every jack one of us watched hundreds of men march to meaningless death out of this tradition, and it makes sense for us to be affected by that
[X] The Doctrine of Extinguishment. A doctrine attacking the practice of immolation and Juror philosophy in general, extinguishment is a general critique of the honor and self-sacrificing culture of Juror tradition from a place of intimate familiarity and drawing from the Pasan Ghadi's writings. Pursuing this doctrine will significantly strengthen actions related to negotiating with, appealing to, and converting Jurors. It will however, also be seen by Juror Atamsans and Komandirs everywhere the sect spreads as a threat that must be rooted much earlier than otherwise.

[X] As pilgrims, to show honest piety and shame those who would dare to stop us.
We have done nothing but escape from unjust imprisonment, we can raise the banner of revolution later, when the moderates try to backstab us
 
There were some questions asked about the Mare elsewhere so I'll clarify some things, and this is not maybe the totally accurate picture but what the sect would specifically know:

  • The mare is a double entendre pun: it is both a sea power and is ruled by a harem that has evolved into a kind of parliamentary institution, after a fashion, so it has some matriarchal vibes. The Mare has dominions across the southern edge of the continent.
  • It beat Vaspukaran in a sharp and very confused fashion on the Vaspukaran side because Vaspukaran had no central command or staff, no clear organization coherency beyond federated juries and banners, and a deeply complacent juror population in the eastern circles who had little to no military experience in generations.
  • The Autocephalates of Kusro and Eykal 'helped'. They sent their navies in separate engagements. Being made mostly of wood, both were sunk, with some heroic standouts by more modern ironclads and the beginnings of battleships.
  • Vaspukaran has an impressive industrial base and is such a large country that although it is still pretty heavily unindustralized it is able to bring significant production to bear. However, this production is very unorganized and this is causing economic problems and especially made war procurement a fucking nightmare.
  • There are four major superpowers on the continent: these are the Mare, Vaspukaran, the Great Western Coven and the far western power of Asharei, also called the Guarded Domains. They are also called the Four Eyes of the Earth. Vaspukaran since the War with the Mare (also called War of the Rose or the War of Behemoth and Leviathan) has been referred as the Old Blind Eye, a derogatory term somewhat similar to the 'Sick Man of Europe' title attached to the Ottoman Empire.
  • Vaspukaran has not invaded another territory for almost a century now (the last war being eighty years ago, the seizure of Danaan, which spent the treasures of the Patriarch so badly they helped lead to the temple coup that cut their power down).
  • Most of Vaspukaran's military problems are in doctrine, discipline, organization and philosophy. It has modern artillery but uses it like cannons; it has modern bolt-actions but still does bayonet charges. The War with the Mare has shaken a lot of this, but it was also a localized disaster where much of the country never saw any fighting, and so the lessons haven't really taken in. Further, because juries are these huge, diffuse organizations splattered across the country, it's hard to enforce reforms at the scale that they're needed.
 
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[X] The Doctrine of Extinguishment. A doctrine attacking the practice of immolation and Juror philosophy in general, extinguishment is a general critique of the honor and self-sacrificing culture of Juror tradition from a place of intimate familiarity and drawing from the Pasan Ghadi's writings. Pursuing this doctrine will significantly strengthen actions related to negotiating with, appealing to, and converting Jurors. It will however, also be seen by Juror Atamsans and Komandirs everywhere the sect spreads as a threat that must be rooted much earlier than otherwise.

[X] As heroes, the Six-Shin Aluf flying high, to put fear into the heart of villainy.
 
There are four major superpowers on the continent: these are the Mare, Vaspukaran, the Great Western Coven and the far western power of Asharei, also called the Guarded Domains. They are also called the Four Eyes of the Earth. Vaspukaran since the War with the Mare (also called War of the Rose or the War of Behemoth and Leviathan) has been referred as the Old Blind Eye, a derogatory term somewhat similar to the 'Sick Man of Europe' title attached to the Ottoman Empire.
we stan
 
[X] The Doctrine of Extinguishment. A doctrine attacking the practice of immolation and Juror philosophy in general, extinguishment is a general critique of the honor and self-sacrificing culture of Juror tradition from a place of intimate familiarity and drawing from the Pasan Ghadi's writings. Pursuing this doctrine will significantly strengthen actions related to negotiating with, appealing to, and converting Jurors. It will however, also be seen by Juror Atamsans and Komandirs everywhere the sect spreads as a threat that must be rooted much earlier than otherwise.

[X] As pilgrims, to show honest piety and shame those who would dare to stop us.
 
[X] The Doctrine of Extinguishment. A doctrine attacking the practice of immolation and Juror philosophy in general, extinguishment is a general critique of the honor and self-sacrificing culture of Juror tradition from a place of intimate familiarity and drawing from the Pasan Ghadi's writings. Pursuing this doctrine will significantly strengthen actions related to negotiating with, appealing to, and converting Jurors. It will however, also be seen by Juror Atamsans and Komandirs everywhere the sect spreads as a threat that must be rooted much earlier than otherwise.

[X] As pilgrims, to show honest piety and shame those who would dare to stop us.
 
[X] The Doctrine of Extinguishment. A doctrine attacking the practice of immolation and Juror philosophy in general, extinguishment is a general critique of the honor and self-sacrificing culture of Juror tradition from a place of intimate familiarity and drawing from the Pasan Ghadi's writings. Pursuing this doctrine will significantly strengthen actions related to negotiating with, appealing to, and converting Jurors. It will however, also be seen by Juror Atamsans and Komandirs everywhere the sect spreads as a threat that must be rooted much earlier than otherwise.
[X] As heroes, the Six-Shin Aluf flying high, to put fear into the heart of villainy.
 
[X] The Doctrine of Extinguishment. A doctrine attacking the practice of immolation and Juror philosophy in general, extinguishment is a general critique of the honor and self-sacrificing culture of Juror tradition from a place of intimate familiarity and drawing from the Pasan Ghadi's writings. Pursuing this doctrine will significantly strengthen actions related to negotiating with, appealing to, and converting Jurors. It will however, also be seen by Juror Atamsans and Komandirs everywhere the sect spreads as a threat that must be rooted much earlier than otherwise.

[X] As pilgrims, to show honest piety and shame those who would dare to stop us.

I legitimately cant see any other Doctrine than Extinguishment after what we witnessed. From the Komandir's corruption to the Jurors of the Black Elephant throwing themselves to their deaths to Hyanaki Akov's deed. A deed that, if we survive, is almost certainly going to go down in history and myth.
 
[X] The Doctrine of Extinguishment. A doctrine attacking the practice of immolation and Juror philosophy in general, extinguishment is a general critique of the honor and self-sacrificing culture of Juror tradition from a place of intimate familiarity and drawing from the Pasan Ghadi's writings. Pursuing this doctrine will significantly strengthen actions related to negotiating with, appealing to, and converting Jurors. It will however, also be seen by Juror Atamsans and Komandirs everywhere the sect spreads as a threat that must be rooted much earlier than otherwise.
[X] As pilgrims, to show honest piety and shame those who would dare to stop us.
 
[X] The Doctrine of Extinguishment. A doctrine attacking the practice of immolation and Juror philosophy in general, extinguishment is a general critique of the honor and self-sacrificing culture of Juror tradition from a place of intimate familiarity and drawing from the Pasan Ghadi's writings. Pursuing this doctrine will significantly strengthen actions related to negotiating with, appealing to, and converting Jurors. It will however, also be seen by Juror Atamsans and Komandirs everywhere the sect spreads as a threat that must be rooted much earlier than otherwise.

[X] As pilgrims, to show honest piety and shame those who would dare to stop us.
 
[X] The Doctrine of Extinguishment. A doctrine attacking the practice of immolation and Juror philosophy in general, extinguishment is a general critique of the honor and self-sacrificing culture of Juror tradition from a place of intimate familiarity and drawing from the Pasan Ghadi's writings. Pursuing this doctrine will significantly strengthen actions related to negotiating with, appealing to, and converting Jurors. It will however, also be seen by Juror Atamsans and Komandirs everywhere the sect spreads as a threat that must be rooted much earlier than otherwise.

[X] As heroes, the Six-Shin Aluf flying high, to put fear into the heart of villainy.
 
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