Industrialization Quest

'she's obviously the foreman doing all the construction around here' or whatever, I mean. /shrug.
Stop being a coward, just call me out by name then.:p

And I did not say she is the foreman doing all the construction, only that with her perceived lack of interest in the theoretical work yet word getting to us that she is architect, her build with her discomfort of dresses despite being part of the nobility, your note that she is not noted as being a fighter paints a picture that she might be interested in construction in a more hands-on way.


I just used foreman because I am not in construction and that is the only term that came to mind :V
 
It's also possible that rather than Runa being called an architect to cover up her liking to do stuff with her hands that she's being called an architect to gussy up her drawing/art hobby as being more practical/useful than it really is - possibly even because the Count Kalenbal (noted to be enthusiastic about technology for its applications in warfare rather than love of knowledge) wouldn't let Runa take up drawing without it having a practical benefit.

[X] Heinrich will make a few quiet probes about Sylvia's eligibility after the gunpowder demonstration, risking disapproval. A more socially adept wife could be something you need. You'll still try to court Runa if the response is unfavorable but it would make things a bit awkward.
 
[X] Heinrich will make a few quiet probes about Sylvia's eligibility after the gunpowder demonstration, risking disapproval. A more socially adept wife could be something you need. You'll still try to court Runa if the response is unfavorable but it would make things a bit awkward.
 
[] Heinrich will make a few quiet probes about Sylvia's eligibility after the gunpowder demonstration, risking disapproval. A more socially adept wife could be something you need. You'll still try to court Runa if the response is unfavorable but it would make things a bit awkward.
As of when I got to your post, you're still missing the x. The automated vote tally won't count your vote without it.


[x] Heinrich will make a few quiet probes about Sylvia's eligibility after the gunpowder demonstration, risking disapproval. A more socially adept wife could be something you need. You'll still try to court Runa if the response is unfavorable but it would make things a bit awkward.

My analysis focuses on the "more socially adept wife" part. Even if Runa is actually an architect instead of that being a polite phrasing of something else, lack of a good diplomat will cause problems for us (lack of a good spymaster as well, but that's harder to acquire, especially with the tools currently available to our character). We need the socially adept diplomat more than we need the architect.

Besides, we have Word of Author that he wasn't planning on rolling for the gunpowder demonstration "tomorrow" (by game time). I think we can get away with it.
 
[[X] Stick with courting Runa. The dowry and connections will still be potent. Spend time attempting to get to know her and all. Maybe she was just nervous with everyone there?
 
[X] Stick with courting Runa. The dowry and connections will still be potent. Spend time attempting to get to know her and all. Maybe she was just nervous with everyone there?
 
[x] Heinrich will make a few quiet probes about Sylvia's eligibility after the gunpowder demonstration, risking disapproval. A more socially adept wife could be something you need. You'll still try to court Runa if the response is unfavorable but it would make things a bit awkward.
 
...Later as the singing is dying down and you've carefully refrained from any further toasts, you make sure to observe the two people who most merit observation. You're not seated near either bachelorette but you can watch and listen in. Runa has a round face, a short and buxom figure. She looks... Uncomfortable in the fancy dress, and generally quite bored with the whole feast. She does glance at you and your father more than once, an unreadable expression on her face. Sylvia, meanwhile, is quite pretty with an almond shaped face and striking blue eyes. She wears her dress with confidence, smiling, smooth, poised. Everyone seems to be talking to her, and her face is bright as she issues compliments on this or that, or commentary about the music, rumors she heard about some other noble, and is generally the life of the party.

Hmm... this doesn't really turn me off from Runa, as we were interested in her due to her connections and her architecture abilities. It does make Sylvia more interesting though. I personally think a diplomacy minded wife is going to be pretty important for us, it's one of the reasons I leaned towards Lucille.

After that, you're shown a series of drawings by Runa. This one depicts the colorful spire towers in Ganz, this one shows the prospective finished form of the Kalenbal castle's new walls, that one is a view of a bridge from side on with particular attention paid to the arching stones and central island. They're all impressively realistic-looking in careful black ink and shaded outlines. You ask some questions about erosion and the construction process, for the last one, but Runa answers with simple and straightforward statements in a dull tone, like someone fulfilling her duty rather than talking about something she loves. Hmm.

Huh... that's... frustrating. I mean, by asking specific and knowledgable (due to our experience designing mines) questions you would think that Runa would be excited to have someone interested in her work.

Makes me wonder if "architect" is due to "artist" not being as valued in her family. In which case she's not as good a pick as people thought...

It's also possible that rather than Runa being called an architect to cover up her liking to do stuff with her hands that she's being called an architect to gussy up her drawing/art hobby as being more practical/useful than it really is - possibly even because the Count Kalenbal (noted to be enthusiastic about technology for its applications in warfare rather than love of knowledge) wouldn't let Runa take up drawing without it having a practical benefit.

That's what I feel. Sounds like she likes to draw and has real skill at it, but in our war crazy land that's not as valued as someone who can design a castle. I guess a skilled draftsman is still valuable for us but... if it's not what she enjoys doing I feel like it put unwelcome strain on the marriage.

[] Stick with courting Runa. The dowry and connections will still be potent. Spend time attempting to get to know her and all. Maybe she was just nervous with everyone there?
[] Heinrich will make a few quiet probes about Sylvia's eligibility after the gunpowder demonstration, risking disapproval. A more socially adept wife could be something you need. You'll still try to court Runa if the response is unfavorable but it would make things a bit awkward.

... I kind feel bad because I'd like to get to know Runa more first, but I do get the feeling that asking after Sylvia's hand is best done right after the gunpowder question.

Although honestly... I think I'd prefer the following:

[X] Focus more potential investments and cooperation regardless of marriage alliances. Seek to make the connection one not dependent on a match with either Runa or Sylvia.

Mainly because I'd rather not risk that connection by going after Sylvia, and I don't want to link it to Runa either, since she is giving hints of not actually being an architect.
 
well, we may have gunpowder but we really don't have an effective way to produce it, i mean without a way to mine potash, the key component of making Saltpeter and is an excellent fertilizer, the only way to get it is from trees via ash which is....extremely inefficient to say the least. Lets hope the Codex gives us the option to get that, because otherwise we're going to have to start burning the countryside down.

en.wikipedia.org

Potash - Wikipedia

 
You are thinking of potash, a source of potassium(same thing that some saltpeter has).
Saltpeter that can be used for making explosives can be made via extraction from manure.
Also note that saltpeter can be mixed up with natron(which are carbonate salts, not as useful for explosives).
If we want to industrially produce the needed salts(nitrates that is), we'll want to:
  1. Reproduce Haber process(useful for fertilizers also) and produce ammonia
  2. Reproduce the Ostwald process(heat up the ammonia to produce NO2(toxic) and adsorb it into water) to produce nitric acid
  3. React with a common base(sodium/potassium bicarbonate/hydroxide/oxide(how the heel did you get a massive amount of this? these decompose easily into their hydroxide forms in atmospheric water))
Both the Haber and Ostwald processes are also key for future stuff(especially ammonium nitrate, a useful fertilizer and explosive) as well.
 
I don't think it's possible to do either Haber or Ostwald processes in the short term. Both of those require extensive theory (chemistry knowledge) and practice (materials sciences) that are quite far off when watermills and standardized measurements are new to this world.

The best bet for a potassium source is to find a Niter mine and mine it ourselves.
 
[[X] Stick with courting Runa. The dowry and connections will still be potent. Spend time attempting to get to know her and all. Maybe she was just nervous with everyone there?
 
I don't think it's possible to do either Haber or Ostwald processes in the short term. Both of those require extensive theory (chemistry knowledge) and practice (materials sciences) that are quite far off when watermills and standardized measurements are new to this world.

The best bet for a potassium source is to find a Niter mine and mine it ourselves.

the problem is that mining potassium purely like we do now is an advanced tech, the reason i brought up potash is that the potassium carbonate that is potash was a key ingredient in refining the mined niter into pure potassium nitrate.
 
Oops, had a brain fart. Was thinking gunpowder (which needs just Niter as the oxidizer) and not fertilizer.

Though it's still probably too early for industrial-scale production need of any chemical. Historically, certain European cities had cities that exported wood-derived potash before the industrial era. A smaller scale production of wood-derived potash should be sufficient to produce enough fertilizer for the Bismark lands.
 
Oops, had a brain fart. Was thinking gunpowder (which needs just Niter as the oxidizer) and not fertilizer.

Though it's still probably too early for industrial-scale production need of any chemical. Historically, certain European cities had cities that exported wood-derived potash before the industrial era. A smaller scale production of wood-derived potash should be sufficient to produce enough fertilizer for the Bismark lands.

Yes technically you are correct, however potassium nitrite is by far the preferred version for firearms while the rest were for blasting powder, and that requires potash to make.


Your refering to the French process, which still used Potash, its probably under the 'refined' part

 
I don't think it's possible to do either Haber or Ostwald processes in the short term. Both of those require extensive theory (chemistry knowledge) and practice (materials sciences) that are quite far off when watermills and standardized measurements are new to this world.
It really depends on just what you mean by short term here, because the work Harold is doing on figuring out the kinks of the Bessemer process and mortars/cannons is going to have a lot of cross compatibility for developing further machines capable of working at high temperatures and/or pressures - so as far as materials science goes something to do with the Haber/Ostwald processes could very well be the next major project in line to be on our plate.

The chemistry knowledge is a bit trickier, but frankly a lot of the chemistry background only really comes in when dreaming the whole thing up in the first place (which can be skipped via codex prodding) or in fine-tuning certain bits to optimize the yield - and that can be ignored so long as you're willing to accept higher energy costs and lower outputs and such, which given that even inefficient industrial-scale process are orders of magnitude more productive than preindustrial equivalents is highly likely.
 
The chemistry knowledge is a bit trickier, but frankly a lot of the chemistry background only really comes in when dreaming the whole thing up in the first place (which can be skipped via codex prodding) or in fine-tuning certain bits to optimize the yield - and that can be ignored so long as you're willing to accept higher energy costs and lower outputs and such, which given that even inefficient industrial-scale process are orders of magnitude more productive than preindustrial equivalents is highly likely.
THIS.
Yes, Harold's reproduction will likely be both high in capital and be very inefficient compared to current yields but that's not the point. It just needs to produce enough to enable the widespread usage of the products.
PS: Thanks SV for making me break out one of my books that goes over(in a joking fashion) how to restart civilization....
 
[] Heinrich will make a few quiet probes about Sylvia's eligibility after the gunpowder demonstration, risking disapproval. A more socially adept wife could be something you need. You'll still try to court Runa if the response is unfavorable but it would make things a bit awkward.

I feel the weight of votes already, but this is the right choice. I'm asking Runa voters to reconsider.
 
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[x] Heinrich will make a few quiet probes about Sylvia's eligibility after the gunpowder demonstration, risking disapproval. A more socially adept wife could be something you need. You'll still try to court Runa if the response is unfavorable but it would make things a bit awkward.
 
[X] Heinrich will make a few quiet probes about Sylvia's eligibility after the gunpowder demonstration, risking disapproval. A more socially adept wife could be something you need. You'll still try to court Runa if the response is unfavorable but it would make things a bit awkward.

Lets go full chad
 
[X] Stick with courting Runa. The dowry and connections will still be potent. Spend time attempting to get to know her and all. Maybe she was just nervous with everyone there?
 
mh.. that might be a problem. Maybe they forced her to learn it?
Maybe she just likes drawing things. Does that make her an architect or is that spin to shift the dull one?

[X] Heinrich will make a few quiet probes about Sylvia's eligibility after the gunpowder demonstration, risking disapproval. A more socially adept wife could be something you need. You'll still try to court Runa if the response is unfavorable but it would make things a bit awkward.

Runa: 32 beating Sylvia: 18
 
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