Industrialization Quest
- Thread starter Rockeye
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Here goes then:
Concrete...yeah.
I'm also surprised that we got cannons but not grenades or rockets from the niter research considering how easy they are in comparison. Also that took way longer to type than it had any right to be. Curse my fine motor condition!!
An over better alternative from the steam engine considering our current tech and what we would do with it moving forward. Relatively easy to construct and maintain as well as perfect for when you need a steady supply of power/movement such as the mills and boats. Though steam will beat it out when it comes to power density.
Pretty self explanatory, moving heavy stuff for construction and moving freight off boats. They where used a lot around this time period OTL. The only immediate improvements I can think of is using the Stirling to make it a mobile crane/hydraulics operation capable.
Concrete...yeah.
- Did you now That the first commercially available/successful caseless ammo gun was made by Daisy, yes that Daisy, the Daisy-Heddon VL was quite the ingenious little thing and not at all that difficult to make using our current tech meaning we can skip close to 400 years of weapons development and get something pretty darn close to a needle rifle.
- Add to that the ability to skip straight to the interrupted screw would allow us to easily make a breech loaded cannon.
- Finally there is brown prismatic powder, which was used by both Spain and the US during the Spanish-American war by their ships, it is a much better powder then black and is comparable to Poudre B the very first smokeless powder it is actually quite simple to make the main differences between it and BP are the very little use or complete absence of Sulfur and the use of brown charcoal which is made by under cooking charcoal and is usually made better by using fibers instead of woods.
- Did yo know that the English Longbow is actually a shitty bow design? Yeah apparently it only works with like a handful of woods on the other hand flatbows work with every hardwood under the sun and work better the denser and stronger the wood you use (hickory, osage orange etc.)
- Which brings me to Lever bows, a sort of side evolution on compound bows. Easier to produce with our tech then normal compound while still maintaining most of the advantages. Also helps that somebody already made one like we would. As for crossbows, just the standard compound scheme would be better in their case especially when considering that a compound crossbow has about 10 times the strength to a medieval one(125 ~= 1250).
- Yeah, not much needed to be said here.
I'm also surprised that we got cannons but not grenades or rockets from the niter research considering how easy they are in comparison. Also that took way longer to type than it had any right to be. Curse my fine motor condition!!
Some relatively simple codex entry suggestions, that might already exist:
- Wheelbarrow; far less tiring for hod carriers.
- Screws
- Nuts & Bolts
- Gears
- Straight/Rotary Saws
- Lathe
- Tally marks
////; allows the barely educated masses to count and keep records. - Abacus
- Dyes
- Paint
- Ink
- Wood Block Printing
- Abacus + Wood Block Printing = Moveable Type, or a crude handheld Printing Press
Rockeye
Plausible Engineer
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- Midwestern U.S.
So, stirling engines are more mechanically finicky and less power-dense, they seem pretty unlikely to be useful in the current context. Cranes seem likely, actually, but the knowhow probably already exists somewhere for human-powered cranes so... Maybe? Skipping a whole lot of incremental firearms tech is... Maybe, I'll think about it, but your first prototypes there will be, like, touch-hole cannons. I think I already said no to complicated loading-box-y bows but compound bows and crossbows are a maybe. Wheelbarrows are in use already (it's not exactly a complicated idea, and they're not as useful for long-distance as carts but they're around, screws/nuts and bolts require an abundance of cheap iron and good machine tools to be useful. You use wooden gears in the mills, a lathe is a possibility but would be included in something like 'powered tools' that also includes bench saws and drill presses and steam mills and steam hammers, tally marks are in use, abacuses are mostly not a thing in Veschwar because anyone educated knows how to write math out longhand and paper is not THAT expensive, dyes/paint/ink I'd have to think of something futuretech that would be good there, wood block printing is a thing and movable type will get added to the list once you're a little better at metalworking just like screws/nuts and bolts/powered tools.
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Not to rain on the thread's parade, but I do want to point out here that a lot of firearms development was limited by metalworking ability, as in "how do we make a metal stick we can drill a hole in but which won't blow up when filled with blowing up stuff". I don't actually think that we stopped making cannons by wire-wrapping barrels until...the early Victorian? I'm pretty sure breechloaders aren't really doable until that problem gets solved, either, as the Royal Navy went from 1st-gen breechloaders back to rifled muzzleloaders - even with all of the inconvenience implicated in having to withdraw your ship guns all the way back into the ship to reload them.
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- USA
Mortars. I think the early ones were made from bronze casts to withstand the explosive pressure and launched stone shot, basically replacing mechanical force from catapults or trebuchets with gunpowder.
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- NY
Yeah, touch-hole stone-throwers are what we're probably starting with.
ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
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- Seattle, WA
For gears, Involute gears (1873) vs other gear types is a big deal for constant movement speed and not being as sensitive to spacing as other shapes of gears. They also make it very easy to make an assortment of gear ratio sizes work together. You really want them before you do precision clocks for example.
no wire wound barrels were still being made in ww1 for the royal navy. they had found the barrels lighter for the same strength of contemporary built up barrels it was not until after the war did the RN do away with wire wound barrels with advances in metallurgy that allowed for them to make built up barrels that were stronger while lighter.
i find it highly unlikely that we will be able to get interrupter screws for breach loading any time soon, the precision required would require screw cutting lathes that we have not invented yet on top of a whole host of metallurgy development. i would rather work to get bronze cast cannons if only to avoid the problems of cannons made during the 13th to 15th century. if you want rifles for it you can work in the La Hitte system.
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- Somewhere.
Do you have a source for involute gears? I'd like to read up on them for a different quest that's also doing uplift - I think that might be some of our problems.
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- NY
The US and Germans had moved to en-bloc or built up barrels by then I think.
built up, en-bloc was a french development that was addopted by america and uk after the war ircc.
ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
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- Seattle, WA
Wikipedia had a basic overview Involute gear - Wikipedia
You find them a lot in engineering textbooks with some math behind it. One of the neat things about the Involute gears tooth profile is you can generate it with a wheel and a string by tracing a point of the string at it is unwrapped from the circle under tension.
Better carriages may be a thing to look at too. Better bearings, also useful for windmills, and spring + shock suspension are likely things that are not too hard, are good for later projects, and target a good market. Bearings and metal springs also are good starting points to get into steel metallurgy, as they both are ok with generic steel, but are better with steel alloys that improve their yield point.
I have a bit of an interest in manufacturing history.
Also, if we can find a spot someday with lots and lots of water power. The real historical killer app of water power was power looms. That was one of the big game changers. The Waltham and later Lowell mills based on stolen british plans was what kicked off manufacturing in the US.
If we want to own the world in three generations, and I am not exaggerating much, we build the power loom empire.
What is the sate of bell making in this world? Because bell makers are the ones with the tech needed to make early cannons.
Compound bows require a glue that will survive the local climate. There's a reason you don't see them in cold, wet and damp environments like much of Europe, but you do see them a lot in deserts and prairies. Glues prior to development of the petrochemistry were all water soluble.
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Prussian blue.
Article: Dry thoroughly in an iron vessel and powder grossly, any quantity of fresh blood. Dry thoroughly and powder also a quantity of pearl ash equal to the powdered blood. Mix them, and calcine them in a low red heat in a crucible with a loose cover until all smoke and flame ceases: then make the cover fit close, and calcine in a full red or nearly white heat for half an hour. The crucible should not be more than two thirds full, as the mixture is apt to swell. Empty the contents of the crucible into warm water in the proportion of a quart to four oz. of the mixture. Pour on again as much warm water: mix and filter the solutions. Dissolve of sulphat of iron (green vitriol) and of alum, of each a quantity equal to one half of the pearl ash employed. Pour the solution of alum and green vitriol mixt together, gradually into the solution of blood and alkali: both solutions are better for being warm, but not boiling hot. Stir it well. Let the sediment settle. It will be of a dirty greenish colour: wash it. Then digest it for 2 or 3 days in diluted muriatic acid (spirit of salt one part, water two parts). The colour by this means gradually becomes blue, because the muriatic acid dissolves the yellow oxyd of iron which is not combined with the prussic acid. Wash it repeatedly. Dry it on chalk stones, paper, linen, or any other mode of draining off the water. Spread it thin to expose it to the air. I have kept the lixivium of blood and alkali (prussiat of potash) for a year and a half in bottles, and used it to make prussian blue with equal success as at first. Chippings of hoofs answer equally well with blood.
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Rockeye
Plausible Engineer
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- Midwestern U.S.
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Don't worry, Industrialization Quest is my "main" and I'm not giving it up. Just had a flight of fancy.
Don't worry, Industrialization Quest is my "main" and I'm not giving it up. Just had a flight of fancy.
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- Hell
I would prefer if it was tech that had to do with Agriculture rather than guns or engines. :/
We did pick that as our starting point after all. Does it have to be an invention, could it also be knowledge? Like the theory of evolution or botany? That could be helpful in creating better strands of produce and grain.
We did pick that as our starting point after all. Does it have to be an invention, could it also be knowledge? Like the theory of evolution or botany? That could be helpful in creating better strands of produce and grain.
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- NY
To be fair, nitrate chemistry is literally the most dual use technology to ever exist for any industrial civilization.
Though what's the status of medicine here? Do they know about sterile technique?
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- Hell
True, but several suggestion on this page had been about guns and engines, thus my comment. I had nothing against the nitrate chemistry, just do not think weapons and late game industrialization should be on the table when we still have not even started on four-field rotation and barely have the know how for mines.
On the topic of medicine, does the world currently understand why washing hands is a good thing? Thinking about the work Ignaz Semmelweis did in 1847. In short, washing hands/sheets in maternity wards didn't happen and as a result new mothers died in droves from puerperal fever. Sadly, this was not widely understood until after his death.