In Thunder's Echo (Legend of the Five Rings Quest)

Well...we didn't ever even vote to spend any void. The few times we tried that vote lost.

(Shrug).

Probably wouldn't have mattered, we'd have unmasked them regardless, and then been killed out of spite. It wouldn't have changed the outcome.

This wasn't a Good End, but it was a reasonably effective one. Naoto died uncovering a massive conspiracy from an inhuman beast, and did so in a way that'll indebt most of the Clans involved to his Clan.

For all intents and purposes, he won, even if he didn't have a happy ending.
 
Was the Mantis going to literally follow us around looking for something to argue with us about?

I mean, it's plausible, but it seems too...too.
Honestly? Pretty likely.
Rank 1: Duty Before Honor
Like the Yasuki, the Mantis Courtiers are merchants as well as diplomats, and they cultivate a personal style built around intimidation rather than friendship. Futhermore, they spend much of their lives outside of the courts dealing with some of the more unsavory characters in Rokugan. You do not lose Glory or Honor for using the Commerce Skill in public, and you do not lose Honor for using the Intimidation (Control) skill. Any time you are making Social Skill Rolls against ronin, bandits, gang members, mercenaries, pirates, and other lawless types, you gain a number of Free Raises equal to your School Rank.
Rank 2: Storm Heart
When the time comes to act in courts, the Yoritomo eschew the eloquent words of the Doji or the subtle gibes of the Scorpion in favor of straightforward bullying, browbeating friend and foe alike into accepting their position. When you use the Intimidation (Control) Skill, your Willpower is considered to be one Rank higher. When you use the Intimidation (Control) skill against a samurai with lower Status Rank than you, your Willpower is considered two Ranks higher instead.
Rank 3: Command the Winds
The Mantis are taugh to put the force of their boorish and aggressive behavior behind their words in court, making it difficult to tell whether they are lying or telling the truth. A number of times per session equal to your School rank, if you have failed a Sincerity Social Skill Roll, you may re-roll it as an Intimidation (Control) Social Skill Roll instead. You must take the result of the Intimidation roll.
Rank 4: Will of the Storm
An experienced Mantis has learned to shatter and demoralize his opponents in court with his mere presence. When initiating a conversation with someone, you may make a Contested roll of your Intimidation (Control) / Willpower against his Etiquette (Courtesy) / Willpower. If you win the roll, he cannot spend any Void points against you for the next hour. Also, during that time he suffers a -3k0 penalty to all Social Rolls made against you. (This Technique cannot be used again until its effect expires.)
Rank 5: Strength in All Things
At this Rank the Mantis courtier's iron willpower and threatening nature have reached perfection, allowing him to overcome all foes and to laugh in th eface of threats that would make even a Hida bushi turn pale. Any time you are attempting to use the Intimidation skill against someone else, or are rolling to resist an Intimidation or Temptation Skill roll or a Fear effect, you gain a bonus of +5k0 to the roll.
These are all techniques revolving around being "Rude AssholeTM​". All the Nothing needed was a target for Harike's ego to lash out at, and it worked.
 
Huh, actually, you're right.

Maybe Naoto used up all of his Void in the earlier talks? Though I'd like to think that we'd have been informed that we'd e getting into an Iaijutsu duel without any Void left.
*checks*
Nope. All base dice pools, and if Naoto were feeling tired (Out of Void) he'd be within his rights to ask for a delay of a day.
Probably wouldn't have mattered, we'd have unmasked them regardless, and then been killed out of spite. It wouldn't have changed the outcome.
Well yeah but it would have given us the chance to go Full Defense and possibly survive the next round, at which point it's dogpiled by a dozen angry Matsu.
 
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I'd been under the impression that we'd voted to share the info with the rest of our delegation. Had we not done that?

You did. Yogo Hanzo and Shosuro Hideki are both in the know about what happened. Unfortunately, neither of them were going to be telling anyone outside the Clan anything without your order/authorization.

Which is again going to feed into the fact that, overall, the Lying Darkness lost this round. It just took a number of loyal samurai down with it.

As for the void point... no one voted to spend any. Plus, striking first with a victorious Focus roll wouldn't have helped all that much, since the Darkness doesn't take wound penalties and wasn't going to stop just because it lost the duel.
 
[x] Secondary Action: make sure that Yogo-san and Shosuro-san know everything you've managed to figure out so far about the face-stealers. It is critically important that this information makes it back to the clan, and if they are attacked again, any bit of it might help. Put together a letter to be sent back to your superiors, laying out what you know of the Nothing. Ask Shosuro-san to code it under a letter about recent events - which they'll *also* need to know about. If you can find reliable means to send it now, do so.

Here's one of the things that I think won at one point. I'll go back to check to make sure it wasn't part of a losing vote, but it was a Sirroco vote, and those win pretty often.

Edit: Ninja'd.

You did. Yogo Hanzo and Shosuro Hideki are both in the know about what happened. Unfortunately, neither of them were going to be telling anyone outside the Clan anything without your order/authorization.

Which is again going to feed into the fact that, overall, the Lying Darkness lost this round. It just took a number of loyal samurai down with it.

As for the void point... no one voted to spend any. Plus, striking first with a victorious Focus roll wouldn't have helped all that much, since the Darkness doesn't take wound penalties and wasn't going to stop just because it lost the duel.

Not that it would have mattered, but just as a general guideline I've discovered as a QM...don't have stuff like Void entirely in the control of the voters-only.

It's like WW/WoD Willpower. It's too finnicky to make it so that you'll only Void something if they vote for it, and feels too cheap to the voters if you just never spend it unless they micromanage it.

Now, we probably should have voted to 'void', though I do know a good number of people were saying 'Let's make sure we have a void point for the duel' without actually voting for it, probably on the assumption I was talking about above.
 
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*checks*
Nope. All base dice pools, and if Naoto were feeling tired (Out of Void) he'd be within his rights to ask for a delay of a day.

Well yeah but it would have given us the chance to go Full Defense and possibly survive the next round, at which point it's dogpiled by a dozen angry Matsu.

No it wouldn't, we'd have hit them... And then they'd have hit us anyway and the same outcome would have happened, Lying Darkness doesn't take wound penalties.

We were dead the moment we stepped foot into that duel, and that Naoto decided to press on despite knowing he was outmatched. We just had the good fortune of unmasking the Lying Darkness in a public forum before it butchered us, and that all the data that we gathered is going straight to the Scorpion--who'll take over from there.

Including figuring out the Crystal weakness--that'll be important, as it took a good while for the Rokugani forces to figure that out in the OTL.
 
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No it wouldn't, we'd have hit them... And then they'd have hit us anyway and the same outcome would have happened, Lying Darkness doesn't take wound penalties.

We were dead the moment we stepped foot into that duel, and that Naoto decided to press on despite knowing he was outmatched. We just had the good fortune of unmasking the Lying Darkness in a public forum before it butchered us.
There should be half a dozen shugenja lying around here specifically trained to step in on a moments notice if something goes wrong. "OH GOD IT'S TAINTED" counts as something wrong.
 
As for the void point... no one voted to spend any. Plus, striking first with a victorious Focus roll wouldn't have helped all that much, since the Darkness doesn't take wound penalties and wasn't going to stop just because it lost the duel.

Fair... but having it be revealed as a Horrible Inhuman Thing would have let the Room Full Of Bushi (with some Shugenja) get in on the action, at which point we *might* have lived. Perhaps I am underestimating its ability to deal out raw kenjutsu damage in a single attack.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding how Iajutsu duels work after the first strike?
 
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Fair... but having it be revealed as a Horrible Inhuman Thing would have let the Room Full Of Bushi (with some Shugenja) get in on the action, at which point we *might* have lived. Perhaps I am underestimating its ability to deal out raw kenjutsu damage in a single attack.

Remember, it still would have gotten its strike in regardless. It's not a "Go and take turns", it's a "Both sides attack at the same time, but if you won the Focus test by enough, you manage to have enough of a head start that you draw blood first."

Honorably speaking, you're supposed to halt your blow if you were struck first, but we're still looking at fractional seconds of difference here, not nearly enough time for an outsider to intervene if they decided "Damn Honor, I'm taking your fucking head!"
 
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We would have struck first, but the Strike phase would not be over.

It would be highly dishonourable to strike, but the Nothing doesn't even remotely give a fuck.
Ah. Good to know. Well, it's a Thing of Shadows, so there's no way we could have killed it. Yep. We were dead here. The difference between kharmic strike and losing was a pretty big deal, but the difference between kharmic strike and winning was minimal.

A bit perplexing that the Shadow would out itself like this, though... unless it was betting on being able to kill us with the first strike.
 
Ah. Good to know. Well, it's a Thing of Shadows, so there's no way we could have killed it. Yep. We were dead here. The difference between kharmic strike and losing was a pretty big deal, but the difference between kharmic strike and winning was minimal.

A bit perplexing that the Shadow would out itself like this, though... unless it was betting on being able to kill us with the first strike.

The numbers were very much on its side here, except we punched way above our numbers.

It's kind of a karmic reversal of what happened to that Kakita guy.

It was what we in the business call a high risk, high reward endeavour. Especially since we were really pissing it off.
 
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Yeah, because if it killed us outright, then it wouldn't have revealed its nature, and legally speaking, the Champion's deeds are the responsibility of the person they're championing. "Oops, my blade slipped" does happen--it's shameful, but not apocalyptic, these things are to be expected after all. The Mantis guy would have probably needed to cut his belly, but that just closes the line of witnesses, and the Nothing's remaining forces could clean up the remainder of the mess.

This was the most likely outcome here. We just fucked that over and turned this into a net victory by heroically punching above our weight and revealing it in public.
 
I am somewhat upset because I had invested a lot of care into this character but this does feel somewhat thematically appropriate.
 
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