Dirtnap
Kanmusu Affecionado
She's the ruler of the city we're in. So...
In Thunder's Echo (Legend of the Five Rings Quest)
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Oh, I meant whether there are any legalistic/etc checks and balances in place.
Like, if she says, "They're innocent, dismiss the case" is that it? Or are there other people involved at some point.
Like, it it where 'if we do really well on this roll, we could bypass going to a dungeon at all'?
EtchedSteel
*mumble mumble*
- Location
- Lima. Peru
Go for the raise, Laurent. Naoto's life literally depends of it.
Ketsui pretty much *owns* this palace and everything that is inside.
Ketsui pretty much *owns* this palace and everything that is inside.
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mothematics
How wide is the concept of "you"?
- Location
- the bottom of a coffee cup
- Pronouns
- She/Her
She's the daimyo. Her word is law. I don't think anyone is realistically going to tell her, "But my lord who I defer to on everything! We can't just let him go!" lol
- Location
- Washington
We should probably also start seriously considering whether sticking to Kimoko's command not to tell anyone about the lying darkness still applies. She wanted to wait for word from higher ups, but there's a good chance that message was waylaid and she was killed to keep her from sending out another one, in which case keeping silent while our death is still in the cards may be endangering all of rokugan.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Fair enough. I'm just trying to check here. So yeah, I'll probably go with the raise, then.
If we Void it *and* raise it...hrm, that might be a good idea. It doesn't hurt that what we're saying is the truth. Of course, it could be that she was murdered before we left, which would be a fine kettle of fish, but quite bizarre.
*goes back to check*
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[X]With Asako Tani-san, of the Phoenix, Ketsui-sama. We had intended to venture to Bishamon Seido, but were waylaid upon the way and had to return to the castle.
-[X] If pressed/asked as to what waylaid you, say truthfully that it was an Ice Kami.
-[X] Do we have a void left? If so, void it.
-[X] The Laurent is calling in his free raise. The Godfather approves.
Okay, vote-crafting time, is there any reason why we can't say 'waylaid by an Ice Kami' immediately? Is that information we're going to be trying to hold back, or can we just give it up?
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EtchedSteel
*mumble mumble*
- Location
- Lima. Peru
[x] The Laurent
Hmm...
Hmm...
- Location
- London, England
There are indeed modifiers to these sorts of tests. This might mean dice added or removed from the pool, free raises granted for a good story or extra ones required for achieving a more specific effect, etc etc.
If you're telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, you'd probably be looking at a flat TN to appear convincing. If you leave some details out or deliberately lie, you're looking at opposed rolls with the Investigation pools of everyone who doubts you (including the Kitsu magistrate standing behind you).
Lore: Law/Intelligence 5k4 = 26
If Matsu Ketsui believes you are lying or not telling her the entire truth, she can and will throw you in a dungeon to be tortured until you confess. Rokugani law requires a confession for any sort of guilty verdict (though someone who loses a duel or gets killed 'resisting arrest' is generally treated as having confessed to the crime anyway), and confessions extracted under torture are considered entirely valid.
Your status as a guest and a samurai offers you some protection, but this is still Shiro Matsu, and the Daimyo's word is law. By virtue of her high status, just about anything she does to you in her territory is de facto legal. You aren't really important enough for the Scorpion to go to war over if she kills you, and if you are convicted of a crime the Scorpion themselves would be seen as wrong for protesting. About the best you could hope for is being allowed to commit seppuku instead of being tortured to death.
If, on the other hand, you can convince Matsu Ketsui that you are innocent, you're basically set. If she proclaims that you had nothing to do with it, anyone who says otherwise or continues to investigate you is essentially calling her a liar. Which is not a healthy thing to do. She is unlikely to make any such judgement on the basis of your testimony alone, and may not make any formal judgement at all, instead accepting the testimony of her magistrates, but that you be the ideal end result here.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Hmm, with the Flat TN, it'd be something where it's 'pass-fail' right? Like, there's no way to be super-duper convincing beyond succeeding, then? Or are there degrees of success/failure?
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- Location
- London, England
If dealing with a straightforwards TN, then yes, the basic effect would be pass/fail. That would convince them that you were being sincere. Which isn't a guarantee you'd be found innocent, just that your testimony would be accepted as valid. Others could still challenge you, and you might need to fight a duel if someone says you are lying/wrong. It would definitely stack things in your favour, however.
Calling raises on the sincerity roll would allow you to achieve more specific effects - perhaps suggesting a motive for whoever did this or securing further assistance/information from the Lion.
aledeth
The Flesh is Weak
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Is there a particular reason why your vote has us only telling them what we were waylaid by if asked? We don't need to volunteer how it terrorized us with the guise of our dead Crane paramour, but as is... your answer feels (to me at least) like needlessly holding information back. If we are aiming for Maximum Sincerity, why make them for something we are going to tell them anyway?
- Location
- Connecticut
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Eh, I feel like blurting straight out that 'yes, the yuki onna kidnapped us and told us that the Thunder Dragon had left its mark on our soul' might be less convincing than showing some reluctance to speak of such matters. Continuing to answer questions honestly, but saying that you will answer all questions honestly but prefer not to talk about it as it is irrelevant to the matter at hand seems more in character for Naoto.
- Location
- Sydney, Australia
I'm a fan of the general direction of the @The Laurent proposal but I don't like some of the detail.
I'd suggest removing the "if pressed" component and instead just state that we were waylaid by a yuki no onna. removing the evasiveness plays to our apparent unconventional "honourable" scorpion persona, and has the benefit of keeping things simple (like the Matsu).
If we are going to try to do anything with raises (free or otherwise) I'd be working to get an official in with the investigation so we aren't drawing on our allies (and thus potentially straining the bonds).
I'd suggest removing the "if pressed" component and instead just state that we were waylaid by a yuki no onna. removing the evasiveness plays to our apparent unconventional "honourable" scorpion persona, and has the benefit of keeping things simple (like the Matsu).
If we are going to try to do anything with raises (free or otherwise) I'd be working to get an official in with the investigation so we aren't drawing on our allies (and thus potentially straining the bonds).
aledeth
The Flesh is Weak
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The precise details don't need to be blurted out. I hoped that saying how we didn't need to talk about how it terrorized us implied we keep the details of the interaction somewhat private, but including the answer to the question "waylaid by what" in our report costs us nothing IMO, and doesn't make Matsu-sama ask the obvious question.
She's upset and angry, her lover was just murdered, and we are one of, if not the prime suspect for the crime. Let's not waste her time by being evasive?
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- Location
- Connecticut
- Pronouns
- He/Him
So revised Laurent's post:
[X] Plan TheLaurentRevised
[X]With Asako Tani-san, of the Phoenix, Ketsui-sama. We had intended to venture to the shrine of Bishamon, but were waylaid upon the way by a Yuki no Onna and had to return to the castle.
-[X] If pressed/asked as to the details of the encounter, say that you would prefer not to speak much of it, but that the kami revealed that you have been 'touched by the storm' and therefore caught its interest.
-[X] Do we have a void left? If so, void it.
-[X] The Laurent is calling in his free raise. The Godfather approves.
[X] Plan TheLaurentRevised
[X]With Asako Tani-san, of the Phoenix, Ketsui-sama. We had intended to venture to the shrine of Bishamon, but were waylaid upon the way by a Yuki no Onna and had to return to the castle.
-[X] If pressed/asked as to the details of the encounter, say that you would prefer not to speak much of it, but that the kami revealed that you have been 'touched by the storm' and therefore caught its interest.
-[X] Do we have a void left? If so, void it.
-[X] The Laurent is calling in his free raise. The Godfather approves.
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- Location
- Connecticut
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Thanks, edited.
- Location
- Australia
[X] Plan TheLaurentRevised
cokerpilot
Here comes the rain.
[X] Plan TheLaurentRevised
aledeth
The Flesh is Weak
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Plan TheLaurentRevised
If they ask why it took so long to return we should mention how we were knocked out and the ponies vanished after we were blown from the saddles by a blast of wind. Nothing personal there, but still important to the timetable of our trip.
If they ask why it took so long to return we should mention how we were knocked out and the ponies vanished after we were blown from the saddles by a blast of wind. Nothing personal there, but still important to the timetable of our trip.
