In Thunder's Echo (Legend of the Five Rings Quest)

Come on people. This is the ideal time for this discusion and a Phoenix loremaster is the ideal person to speak of it with. This is a bit rough but should hit the high points:

[X]Speak softly, reverently:"I... am unsure Asako-sama. I dreamt. Before the Festival of the River of Stars. Perhaps it was arrogance or youthful folly. And yet. I remember the smile of Megumi-no-kami. And I will never forget hearing the Storm Dragon speak and the wave of thunder ringing in my very bones." Remove your mask and look at her with a sad smile, allowing some of the honest trepidation to leak into your voice: "You must think me mad Asako-sama. Or arrogant beyond all hope."Shake your head and return the mask:" But we should focus on more practical concerns. Are you well? And have you ever heard of something called The Shadow of All Things?"

Ask the nice Loremaster about this Shadow thing. Also deliver shocking spirit revelation when near other shocking spirt even. Leaves people more open to the truth. We do have Sincerety 2 so this should be a 6k4 for honesty to get her to belive us. Having confirmation from an actual spirt is bound to make things easier.

Pretty much the only reason not to tell her at this point is if you never plan on telling anyone, or if you think she is with the enemy. And I do not think those optiont likely. This is an ideal moment. Let's use it.

Probably not as polished as can be, but it's much better then just waisting this oportunity.

@Maugan Ra : We do not need a Lore roll to know what the Tears mentioned are, right? I mean I know, but just in case of spoilers am not saying, in case we do need a Lore roll.

EDIT: PS: Yes this is great knowledge to have, but we paid dearly for it and we might not be done paying yet. That Honor roll hurt.
 
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Spilling one of the biggest secrets Naoto has (maybe the biggest, depending on how you rank the Crane conspiracy thing) to someone from another Clan he barely knows seems wildly out of character.

I don't think he's even mentioned this to his fellow Scorpions, and he blurts everything out to a Phoenix...a Phoenix who is kinda already in the category of "She knows too much" after the whole "No Mariko I had to stay silent" debacle?

I don't see it.
 
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@Maugan Ra : We do not need a Lore roll to know what the Tears mentioned are, right? I mean I know, but just in case of spoilers am not saying, in case we do need a Lore roll.

Lore: Theology 5k4 = 22

It's a fairly vague statement. Rokugani mythology holds that when Lord Moon devoured his children, Lady Sun wept in grief, and her tears fell into the world. When they landed upon the ground they became Jade, and where they solidified in the air they became Crystal. Those few tears which mixed with the blood of Lord Moon became the first humans.

So... there are several possible interpretations of her words. Which is to be expected from a spirit, really, since they don't see the world in the same way that humans do.

Also just realized that I didn't actually put a vote option at the end of the update. Have added that now. Fortunately most people figured it was a write in vote anyway, but I'm still slightly embarrassed that I forgot that.
 
He has not mentioned because they would likely think him arogant or mad. But our choice is Lie, Deflect or speak the Truth. Lie is obviously bad. Deflect is the safest option.

We have been working on her for weeks. This is something of a pivotal moment. Simply put, what exaclly are we risking? That she will not belive us? How exacly is it bad for us if she knows we are blessed and keeps her mouth shut about it?

And calling it the biggest secret? Hardly. This secret is personal. The Crane thing and the Shadow things are massivly more important then his maybe dream about being blessed. Or do you think Naoto himself is more then gratfull and more then a bit bemused at it, if not confused? He is just Naoto. Those things, like the Crane stuff affect all of Rokugan. He is just one little Scorpion. You really think one samurai recieving a but of a blessing from one of the Dragons to be that big a deal for the whole of Rokugan? Seems selfcentered to me.

In the end, even if we do deflect succesfully, what exaclly have we achieved? She will only suspect us more, and miscomunication could be fatal. She could easily come to belive that her life was in danger just because we angered some spirit of thunder or something and she got caught up in it. We are Scorpion, people are predisposed to belive us malicious and evil and you want to avoid giving answers or Lie? To Tani after all the work we put into her? Granted it is not years of friendship but if we do not tell her now, forget about telling her later.

That just is not going to happen. I suppose you could try and deflect and then explain later on but how exaclly do you think it benefits us to delay here? I think using this oppostunity while she is still rattleled and frash from a meeting with a Spirit is only to our gain. If anything, deflecting and then spilling later will only make it seem more like we are trying to manupulate her.
 
I'm not completely opposed to talking to Asako Tani about the matter, nor even to doing it on the road, but I would very much like to avoid any and all conversations that occur within 2000 feet of that crazy Yuki no Onna.
 
Spilling one of the biggest secrets Naoto has (maybe the biggest, depending on how you rank the Crane conspiracy thing) to someone from another Clan he barely knows seems wildly out of character.

I don't think he's even mentioned this to his fellow Scorpions, and he blurts everything out to a Phoenix...a Phoenix who is kinda already in the category of "Knows too much" after the whole "No Mariko I had to stay silent" debacle?

I don't see it.

I agree.
 
He can tell the Phoenix about having some odd dreams precisely because she's not a close colleague or family and he won't have to put up with the funny looks all the time. They haven't been some great secret, just something he hasn't mentioned to anyone because why would he? Until just now when the spirit gave him a reason to think there is something to them.

Answering this question takes the conversation safely away from what he said to "Mariko". And she might have useful insight.

[X] Primemountain
 
I'm not completely opposed to talking to Asako Tani about the matter, nor even to doing it on the road, but I would very much like to avoid any and all conversations that occur within 2000 feet of that crazy Yuki no Onna.
I am not sure the Yuki no Onna is crazy. She is just a spirit, they are kind of like that. And for all that she scared us to death she also fed us info, so there is that.

Trying to talk about something and doing it away from spirits seems like a pointless excercise.Spirits are everywhere. She left by choice. I doubt she is within 2000 feet by now. She is a living storm. If the storm stopped, she is not around anymore. Notice we are still almost on the path. She just came in and blanketed everything.

Also, she might be able to read our mind. Probably not as Ra said she is not a true Air Kami, but still. Just thinking that we want to avoid her might insult her and bring her back. Or a passing Air Kami might pluck that thought from our mind and carry it on the wind to her. Air spirits love to gossip.

And talking about it now is primarilly because it is being asked now. It is an ideal opportunity. She brought it up. She can hardly protest when we answer truthfully.
 
Still, getting out of the immediate area before a spirit that attacked us changes her mind seems like a better strategy to me, just in case she is still in the area.

I am kind of on your side though as far as telling Asako goes, but I think at the least we should ask her not to repeat the information to others before we share it.
 
[X] Primemountain

Let's cement our image as a very interesting samurai.

Joking aside, t0h7s is the chance to entanglemthe Phoenix with us. They are very spiritual and if we manage to convince her of our story... we will get the help of the Phoenix.
 
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"Trust in the tears of the sun." She says, and then vanishes.

It's a fairly vague statement. Rokugani mythology holds that when Lord Moon devoured his children, Lady Sun wept in grief, and her tears fell into the world. When they landed upon the ground they became Jade, and where they solidified in the air they became Crystal. Those few tears which mixed with the blood of Lord Moon became the first humans.
So...trust in bling?
 
6.6 - Unfortunate developments
Well, this is not a conversation you particularly want to have. Fortunately, the current situation provides you with all the reason you need to deflect the problem and hopefully deal with it at a later date.

"Asako-san, perhaps now is not the best time for long discussions?" You say as politely as you can, gesturing to the surrounding wilderness. "All things considered, I would much prefer to return to Shiro Matsu before the sun falls."

Etiquette/Awareness 7k4 = 29

"Very well, Soshi-san." Tani says, a pleasant smile upon her face. "We can discuss this in more comfortable surroundings. For now, let us see about returning to the castle."

Hmm. That is probably going to turn into a problem at a later date. As is perhaps to be expected, the Loremaster does not seem inclined to let the matter rest indefinitely, and considering that the yuki no onna threatened her life over its interest in you, she has more than enough grounds to pursue her enquiries. At which point you will probably be faced with the option of telling her everything or alienating the Phoenix altogether.

Well, that is a problem for tomorrow. The problem for today is getting back to Shiro Matsu. Resisting the urge to shiver as best you can, you make your way over to the path and set off.

Athletics/Stamina 2k2 = 9

The journey back is... arduous. Without the aid of your ponies, who seem to have vanished entirely into the wilderness after the spirit startled them, you are forced to navigate the rocky and snowbound route by yourself. Fortunately there is little chance of getting lost so long as you stick to the path, but the way your route twists and turns slows your progress considerably, a fact not helped by the cold and the falling snow.

Still, you struggle on, Asako Tani keeping pace besides you with relative ease. By the time you make it back to Shiro Matsu, the sun has dipped below the horizon once more. You are freezing cold, shivering hard enough that your teeth rattle in your skull, and tired to the point where it is a physical effort to keep placing one foot in front of the other.

Naoto is fatigued - He takes a +5 TN penalty to all of his actions until he has a chance to rest.

Eventually, you reach the castle and stumble back through the gates, intent on heading back to your quarters and getting some much needed rest. That, unfortunately, is when everything goes wrong.

The first and only warning you receive is when one of the Lion samurai standing guard by the gates picks up a sasumata - a four foot long wooden spear with a barbed crescent head. You recognize the weapon primarily because your family's magistrates use them as 'mancatchers', pinning fugitives to the ground or a convenient wall in order to prevent their escape. Such knowledge does not help you much in overcoming the shock when you suddenly find yourself prone on the ground, the head of that weapon pinning your sword arm to the ground with a nigh-irresistible weight.

"What..." You manage to say, your reflexes dulled by the cold and fatigue, only to be answered by a swift kick in the ribs from another samurai that sends shockwaves of pain through your body. Distantly you can hear Asako Tani protesting, but as more Lion samurai step out from the gatehouse and surrounding streets her words seem increasingly fruitless.

"Soshi Naoto." One of the Lion says in a voice practically ringing with cold fury. "By order of Matsu Ketsui-dono, you are hereby under arrest."

Gritting your teeth, you twist your head to look up at him. "For what crime?"

"The murder of Bayushi Kimoko."

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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu~

Damn Lying Darkness.

[ ] "I had nothing to do with any such thing, but I will be happy to come along to prove my innocence."

I mean, what else can we do?
 
Erm I've heard the legends but . . . Exactly how bad is the Rokugany legal system? Is I wasn't in the same city when she died a valid defense even when someone higher ranked says otherwise?

Edit: How about? But she'd kick my ass in a fight.
 
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By the Kami, Naoto just cannot get a break.

Who wants to bet this is all a ploy by our boss btw?

Nope. I mean, I'll bet against....

Erm I've heard the legends but . . . Exactly how bad is the Rokugany legal system? Is I wasn't in the same city when she died a valid defense even when someone higher ranked says otherwise?

Well, it isn't evidence based, it's all based on the word of samurai... it's entirely possible that having the Otomo and Daidoji as allies, and the possible allyship of Asako (kind of wishing we had told her a few things, now) will give us the political influence that we need to defend ourselves. But yeah, this is about to devolve into a total shitshow.
 
Erm I've heard the legends but . . . Exactly how bad is the Rokugany legal system? Is I wasn't in the same city when she died a valid defense even when someone higher ranked says otherwise?

Edit: How about? But she'd kick my ass in a fight.

Nope, it's 100% "Testimony from Samurai", though Kitsuki Investigators are considered trustworthy as well.

If the Daimyo here insists "Yeah, he totally did it", then that's basically all she wrote. On the plus side--Lion means she won't do it unless she's convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was us, because that would be a massive breach of Sincerity--on the other hand, Lying Darkness could have just sent someone wearing our face to do it, and we're fucked because nobody important knows that he's a thing.

Worst case scenario? If we start making ground, they can just challenge us to a Duel and throw a crazy murderface at us and kill us that way.

We got mousetrapped hard by leaving the city.
 
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Nope, it's 100% "Testimony from Samurai", though Kitsuki Investigators are considered trustworthy as well.

If the Daimyo here insists "Yeah, he totally did it", then that's basically all she wrote. On the plus side--Lion means she won't do it unless she's convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was us, because that would be a massive breach of Sincerity--on the other hand, Lying Darkness could have just sent someone wearing our face to do it, and we're fucked because nobody important knows that he's a thing.

Worst case scenario? If we start making ground, they can just challenge us to a Duel and throw a crazy murderface at us and kill us that way.

We got mousetrapped hard by leaving the city.
Honestly we can't say that until we know what happened. It seems unlikely that we'd have been able to intervene given that we'd have been meeting the mantis and getting acting lessons.
 
We can likely get the word of two delegates and an Imperial samurai that we're innocent, but yeah.

Shit.

We absolutely need to get to the bottom of this. Thankfully our heimin friend might be able to get us info, but we're going to need to get to the bottom of this before we get executed by angry Matsu.
 
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