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Hugh's Perfectly Abnormal Mafia Game Where Everything Weird Happens Oh God (And We Promise It's Not Mountainous This Time)

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-Rosen said:
Let me expand on it a bit then, because I think of the two situations that you bring up here, only the former is actually plausible, and can be done specifically to take advantage of your own read of the situation.

We play off the things that have already happened so far:

1) Nanimani reveals as Mayor
2) Nanimani reveals as Mayor a second time
---a) We agree on the point that this action likely comes from a source outside of Nanimani's control.

Zeroing in on point 2.a here, there are two ways I see this point going:

1) Town!Rolecop sees the original Mayor reveal, but since they know this is a bastard game, they don't immediately trust it. This player uses their action on Nanimani, and receives the same Mayor result as publicized.
2) Non-Town!Rolecop sees that a Mayor has been revealed, and decides there is merit to utilizing their action to reveal the slot a second time, namely to receive towncred for committing such an action.

Normally I would consider Occam's Razor in a situation like this, but since the game is bastard I can't really do that, as even the most inexplicable of scenarios could indeed be the world we live in now. Though I think even then, these two situations aren't fairly far from one another, considering I believe there are more than a few players that would be more than willing to take advantage of any hyper-theorizing present in this game, including what you're suggesting about this second slot, if it even exists, and if it even willingly committed such an action.

Namely, myself, Pawn, and Nictis could all reasonably foresee the assertion you're making before it happens IMO, and use that as pretty solid reasoning to commit that play.
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are we sure that nani didn't make the second reveal, though? a loud cop of some sort, then nani going "fuck, i guess i reveal then since it's already outed"?
 
Scorbunny said:
are we sure that nani didn't make the second reveal, though? a loud cop of some sort, then nani going "fuck, i guess i reveal then since it's already outed"?
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If Nanimani made it then this entire discussion is moot, however we just don't have that confirmation from anybody yet.
 
Scorbunny said:
are we sure that nani didn't make the second reveal, though? a loud cop of some sort, then nani going "fuck, i guess i reveal then since it's already outed"?
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The flavortext seems to suggest otherwise, with the first reveal describing actions taken by the Mayor, while the second reveal involves someone else making a proclamation about the Mayor - assuming the game's not so bastard that hugh's not lying to us about actions and their results also.
hugh_donnetono said:
The bear whips off their conspicuous trenchcoat, revealing an immaculately tailored suit underneath and posing in front of the rising sun - just like in their campaign posters! @Nanimani has revealed as a Mayor!
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hugh_donnetono said:
One of the aliens is struck with a perfectly abnormal fervor, and climbs to the top of the highest building on the mountain to announce: " @Nanimani is a Mayor!"
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Walker said:
The flavortext seems to suggest otherwise, with the first reveal describing actions taken by the Mayor, while the second reveal involves someone else making a proclamation about the Mayor - assuming the game's not so bastard that hugh's not lying to us about actions and their results also.
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we readin into flavor now??

i don't think that the wording holds much weight, that can be easily attributed to "oh there was a second reveal"
 
Walker said:
The flavortext seems to suggest otherwise, with the first reveal describing actions taken by the Mayor, while the second reveal involves someone else making a proclamation about the Mayor - assuming the game's not so bastard that hugh's not lying to us about actions and their results also.
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Personally wouldn't put much weight, if any, on this as it starts to encroach on the GM flavor analysis rule
 
@-Rosen we're in complete agreement then. We're just evaluating it differently- as I've said, I find the likelihood of a scum using a power that quickly, without discussing with their teammates, to be a move most players would not make. Like I have said, if Player B is claimed by someone who is known for decisive plays and gambits, then Player B being scum is an option. However, the majority of players in this game are NOT that. With that in mind, I feel fairly confident in saying B is town, with the caviat that B could maybe not be town in specific circumstances. I mean, even if that action would be NAI for half the players in the game, that still makes B the towniest thing we've seen this game bar possibly Nani.

However, I'm doubting Nani's townieness. Pawns point about Nani's absence is a very compelling one. It makes me feel like a player C might be involved, who disguised Nani as a mayor for some reason, or else forcibly outed them when they weren't expecting it. Or maybe the outing was in response to being targeted by player B, as a triggered part of the role. The point is, I think that this whole thing is largely NAI for Nani.
 
Young Pyromancer said:
@-Rosen we're in complete agreement then. We're just evaluating it differently- as I've said, I find the likelihood of a scum using a power that quickly, without discussing with their teammates, to be a move most players would not make. Like I have said, if Player B is claimed by someone who is known for decisive plays and gambits, then Player B being scum is an option. However, the majority of players in this game are NOT that. With that in mind, I feel fairly confident in saying B is town, with the caviat that B could maybe not be town in specific circumstances. I mean, even if that action would be NAI for half the players in the game, that still makes B the towniest thing we've seen this game bar possibly Nani.
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At this point, I would also point out that the same thing could occur even if any of the names I mentioned were not actually in that slot, but instead directed a teammate to take such an action. Doing so would vastly widen the pool of players that could actually commit said action, as while the chances of any of us individually being scum is low, the chance of none of us being scum moves to essentially 50/50 odds, and therefore cannot be dismissed as an option. It does require a bit more work to actually happen, that much is for sure, but given the beginning of the game is generally higher activity than, say, midway through most other cycles, I don't think it's implausible to consider this.

I think we've exhausted the discussion for this topic so I don't think I'll be engaging too much further with it, but I will say that I am in general agreement that trusting both Nani reveals is probably ill-advised at this point. Currently hard-null on the slot at the moment as we don't really have anything to go off other than those reveals.
 
That being said, I think Nanimani is completely off the table for any potential Day 1 votes anyway, as while I don't entirely trust the reveals, I'd rather stray away from voting based on them and potentially killing a confirmed Mayor by accident :V
 
-Rosen said:
as while the chances of any of us individually being scum is low, the chance of none of us being scum moves to essentially 50/50 odds
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Brief note that this assumes a 15-player game with 3 scum, which is fairly standard in most cases. Very likely to be different in this case but just wanted to use this as a general point of reference
 
Scorbunny said:
are we sure that nani didn't make the second reveal, though? a loud cop of some sort, then nani going "fuck, i guess i reveal then since it's already outed"?
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Given the delay between the mayor reveal and the second one, I'm assuming not. Would of thought Nani would of been here at some point if they've already seen the announcement to confirm in thread. That they're not suggests to me it could of been a delay between their initial decision to reveal and Hugh then doing so. Though guess we'll find out when they finally return.
 
Young Pyromancer said:
Pregame was particularly long. Makes me think we might have some night 0 actions floating around.
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The rest of the discussion has I think largely run its course but as a note on this, the timing doesn't really quite line up - I don't think this game is so bastard as to fuck with something like the phase lengths, since that gets into "literally unplayable" territory again (at least for some players). And given that some of the delay would in fact have to have been for everyone to receive & respond to their role PMs, the rest wouldn't leave room for a proper 48-hour Night (well, Night+Twilight).

Anyway, hm. Feel like I'm spinning my wheels a bit waiting for Nani to show. I know I should be doing more to try & solve in the meantime, but it's hard to focus on that when there's a piece of the mystery definitively incoming yet not currently available.
 
I don't really have any points to discuss at this point outside of the Nani stuff, but I'm mostly waiting on Nani to come forward to see if my currently held thoughts are actually relevant or not.

On the bright side, these early discussions have basically killed the chance of RVS or meme phase being prolonged unnecessarily.
 
-Rosen said:
On the bright side, these early discussions have basically killed the chance of RVS or meme phase being prolonged unnecessarily.
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This is exactly why I try to focus on early mech stuff, even if it's largely irrelevant in most cases. It's also my best guess for why Nani might have outed themselves as mayor if they did so intentionally.
 
-Rosen said:
I don't really have any points to discuss at this point outside of the Nani stuff, but I'm mostly waiting on Nani to come forward to see if my currently held thoughts are actually relevant or not.

On the bright side, these early discussions have basically killed the chance of RVS or meme phase being prolonged unnecessarily.
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Your face is prolonged unnecessarily!

[x] Vote -Rosen
 
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Nah. If I can have two, no three other volunteers, we can have some more mayors to prove the veracity of my claim.

I can't believe that actually work. This is truly a bastard game.
 
I am going around to the idea that this is the very opposite of mountainous game. As in, very, very opposite of a no-power game.
 
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