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Hugh's Perfectly Abnormal Mafia Game Where Everything Weird Happens Oh God (And We Promise It's Not Mountainous This Time)

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Okay so I've been considering and there is unfortunately a nonzero chance we're in more danger than I thought, because our only evidence of the 3-scum world is from Pawn, so if my investigation was baffled and Pawn+1 are Scum then a miselim today leaves us as 2-2-1 which drops to 1-2-1 tomorrow & lets Scum win even if Byz is fully Townsiding.

(also as of yet we've only seen Scum+Pawn reveal as a role and then receive any mechanical effect from that role, other than 99L's daycop reveal which returned weird uncolored text and could've just been nonfunctional, so that's making me paranoid too)

So, I know this is a questionable analytical lens for a Bastard game, but can I get everyone's thoughts on whether or not a 10-4-1 initial distribution (or I guess 11-4 since Byz could be Scum if Pawn's evidence for a 3P existing is lies) would be at all sane in a general sense?
 
Wiadi said:
So, I know this is a questionable analytical lens for a Bastard game, but can I get everyone's thoughts on whether or not a 10-4-1 initial distribution (or I guess 11-4 since Byz could be Scum if Pawn's evidence for a 3P existing is lies) would be at all sane in a general sense?
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I started as town, so the distribution would have been 11-4 in this case. Normally I couldn't see the GM intentionally making the game more scum-sided by converting me, but bastard. I imagine the plan was always to yoink someone to 3p and I made the funniest action to work with.
 
Wiadi said:
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Okay so I've been considering and there is unfortunately a nonzero chance we're in more danger than I thought, because our only evidence of the 3-scum world is from Pawn, so if my investigation was baffled and Pawn+1 are Scum then a miselim today leaves us as 2-2-1 which drops to 1-2-1 tomorrow & lets Scum win even if Byz is fully Townsiding.

(also as of yet we've only seen Scum+Pawn reveal as a role and then receive any mechanical effect from that role, other than 99L's daycop reveal which returned weird uncolored text and could've just been nonfunctional, so that's making me paranoid too)

So, I know this is a questionable analytical lens for a Bastard game, but can I get everyone's thoughts on whether or not a 10-4-1 initial distribution (or I guess 11-4 since Byz could be Scum if Pawn's evidence for a 3P existing is lies) would be at all sane in a general sense?
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I mean, the simplest and most recent answer for why I'm not scum is I don't shoot at Rosen. I don't do that shot due to being worried about a transport, as most reasonable shots would have been within you/me/Cyri and transported with Walker or Comi, where considering your role seeming being inflexibly stuck on daycop and the amount of clears generated considering the space remaining, if there was a transport it would be Cyri protecting himself with someone or Cyri transporting me. So I shoot you there without a care in the world. I'd been pushing Rosen as unaligned with Draxy but I could just let that slip over time as things get tighter and I had people who I publicly townread more on their own merits. Or you know, just never defend him in that way and leave him in the POE in general, which would have been very simple to do.

In terms of numbers, Byzantine claimed initial town so it would be 11-4. Where bluntly no, that is a horrible distribution even in a bastard game. 13 v 4 is minorly scumsided already, 11 v 4 would be ridiculous, even with the inherent swings possible in this game's power rules.

D1: 11 v 4
D2: 9 v 4
D3: 7 v 4
D4: 5 v 4

If wrong, we would functionally be at a D4 LYLO. This is ignoring any missed vig shots that could occur, wolves like Nani mayoring out, etc. It would just be completely non functional and very difficult to get wolves considering how much this whole game situation has made us act early on. And considering Bun's cop + presumably Rosen's death confirmed that wolves do have a factional kill, those numbers are fairly accurate and its seems there's just been a lot of BS going around under the hood there.
 
And I know I'm town, while also doubting that Cyri is a wolf who got past it, if any wolf has spoofed your invest, its just Walker considering he still hasn't gotten any actionable info all game and the lack of nightkills matches up with a lot of his visit things with Byzantine. This is especially strong due to Draxy flipping. I already explained how I think he was unaligned with Nani, but you could argue the Zaelix shot is a bad look that could point to scum.

Since remember, Draxy tried to get away with dayvigging 99L and tried to hide and excuse being the one to shoot him. Consider that Draxy did that at the end of the day. The mafia know there is absolutely a chance that Draxy is going to go down and be considered relatively outed over that. Considering that, in what world does Cyri outright claim the kill there as mafia? They won't know that I'm going to open up the day with helping defend and try to clear Cyri, one of their two remaining players are on a short clock at this point, there is no reason to run that gambit with the second one. Cyri on the wolf team has been playing with incredible amounts of risk that I don't think makes any sense or reasonably holds true.
 
Yeah, no, I don't think it's exactly a probable world but if 11-4 was at all plausible then I'd feel like I should at least do an independent review because I know full well you can make a good argument for a bad case. But I also really don't want to have to do that so if 13-4 is conventionally slightly scumsided then I'm pretty happy just ignoring the 11-4 world and if we die we die.
 
Wiadi said:
Yeah, no, I don't think it's exactly a probable world but if 11-4 was at all plausible then I'd feel like I should at least do an independent review because I know full well you can make a good argument for a bad case. But I also really don't want to have to do that so if 13-4 is conventionally slightly scumsided then I'm pretty happy just ignoring the 11-4 world and if we die we die.
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While it's not impossible I kinda believe it given Byzantine's claim-reveal shortly after as 3P. This being said it needs to be considered if Comi flips scum and game continues. Likely lands to walker given how their role-claim has effectively been non-existent but then the whole point of pawn saying 3-1 non town lies in question pretty hard if the game is continuing. Especially depending on night action results.

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Planning to yeah.
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Is there any reason for the delay if I might add?

As a note I intend to attempt one of four things
- 1: I will attempt to revive Zaelix, this re-provides a method of town removal as well as leverages #'s. I do not know yet if I can even do this
-2 : I will give myself a night of Deathproof, yes similarly to how the raven's Deathproof worked in Moonton but just for that night.
-3 : I will roleblock someone
-4 : I will bodyguard someone like a siren head.
All of these actions will be loud somehow of course. :3
 
That or Cyri is lying. Not that it actually matters, I can't do anything. Though again, if you are town and haven't do try it as a day action today. Probably won't work, but I tried to help :(
 
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  • Apocrypha
    • Edgeworth shakes his head, chuckling. "A very entertaining story, Wright. But we aren't here for a story, we're here for the facts - and the fact is, the only killing you have any evidence linking that person to was the killing of NinetyNineLies - " Here he pulls out a piece of paper, tapping his hand against it to emphasize his point. " - Which the records clearly show as an entirely justifiable act of Day Vigilantism, and isn't what we're at trial for today regardless. You've offered only baseless conjecture."

    "But your honor - " You say, turning to the judge -

    "The prosecution is correct, Mister Wright," the judge interrupts you. Again. "There is no evidence linking that person to the crime that is at trial! Now, stop wasting the court's time - this is your second strike, one more and you'll be in trouble!"

    You groan. You need more evidence, huh? But where can you find the right pieces on such short notice...

    (The court didn't actually function on a three strikes system)

    Penalty Count: [!!!!!]
     
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    • Five chances, six remaining players, and I don't think Phoenix would accuse himself in court; Comi honestly might get the Killer just by process of elimination.
     
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    Walker said:
    I mean, ghosts are a major thing in Ace Attorney, right? Maybe the reason the Killer's so hard to catch is because they're murdering people from beyond the grave!
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    Don't you dare suggest there is a second game being played with the dead having abilities and influence in the game. That's a terrible Idea. Trust me on this from personal experience. :cry:
     
    But anyway I seriously don't have an ability to visit during the day and apparently Cyri is immune to my visits so guess I lose. Meh.
     
    Walker said:
    Five chances, six remaining players, and I don't think Phoenix would accuse himself in court; Comi honestly might get the Killer just by process of elimination.
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    Byzantine said:
    I mean yes, if Comi was serious he could have just tried literally everyone already. Instead he apparently blames a dead player.
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    If I'm being honest I don't think there is a The Killer because that is not a mechanic inherent to the game despite me introducing phoenix Wright.

    The previous guess was Draxy for clarity. As the last flavor response involved still looking at the scum team.

    I also don't want to shot-gun these because I don't really want to hit the objection max out because that in the original game promised bad things (may have been mistrial scum victory)

    Also if I'm being honest through my reread I'm sorry I just don't have anything really this is a hard conversation to dive into after the fact.
     
    ComiTurtle said:
    Also if I'm being honest through my reread I'm sorry I just don't have anything really this is a hard conversation to dive into after the fact.
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    The main thing you can do is probably attempt to case Walker fully? See if there's anything that looks damning or good for him that we can mull over. I'm not going to pretend it would be this perfect guarantee but that's the kind of analysis that could have a chance of getting you off the table by at least making us consider that at least one clear has been spoofed, where socially of the mechanical clears I'm pretty sure it would just be Walker.

    Cyri I've explained in depth as to why its not him. Realistically, Wiadi had already been copped and the game wasn't going to orient to her for a long time, she's a good player but I do doubt she manufactures checks onto Cyri/I at that point to flip on later as a wolf rather than trying to keep options open fully.
     
    We'll just dropped from my Pokémon tournament, so I may have time to make a case so let's have at it as soon as I get to my laptop.
     
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