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Hugh's Perfectly Abnormal Mafia Game Where Everything Weird Happens Oh God (And We Promise It's Not Mountainous This Time)

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I actually had a completely different thought then this being Celeste Mafia…One that did not pan out apparently.
Weird.
 
I have a working theory. Events go like this.

Nani triggers mayor after seeing the lack of discussion, in order to try and get things moving. Alternatively, Nani is scum fake mayor and cop immune, and is trying to powerwolf.

Player B, suspecting a scum Nani because Bastard, uses their loud daycop on Nani to confirm.

So, in conclusion, I think that Player B is actually the confirmed one here. It's not like Night actions which are simultaneous- the Nani announcement was almost definitely a reaction to the mayor reveal. In bastard games, I think motivations are a lot more telling than actual events. In other words, I give credence to the "whydunnit", not the "howdunnit", and that leads me to the "whodunnit". So player B is either scum rapidly snapping off a power as part of a long con that they made up on the spot, or confirmed town here.

I'd like to hear whether people agree or disagree with this analysis, specifically @Nanimani
 
Wiadi said:
Mmm...I'd throw a slight twist on that as "at least two opposed factions" rather than "a Town-hostile faction" - see e.g. your own Tri-Cult setup, which didn't meaningfully have a Town at all. But broadly I agree, and of course in this particular setup we have strong reason to believe that a Town does in fact exist what with the (pre-post edit: double) Mayor reveal.
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Agree on this point as this was mostly what I was going for there, but didn't really take the time to flesh it out that much so I defaulted to what we see in most games.

@Young Pyromancer While I think the idea of the actions is quite likely at this point (it would be a bit silly for the Mayor to be able to double-reveal themselves), I don't really see how Player B would ever be cleared in that situation? I have my own ideas as to how the second reveal happened which I'm going to hold at the moment while the Day progresses, but I don't think guaranteed Town!PlayerB is one of them.
 
Other things floating around in my head rn:
Pregame was particularly long. Makes me think we might have some night 0 actions floating around.
A scenario where player B isn't town is if Nani/B are both scum, but that is quite the early gambit. I find this unlikely unless the person who claims B is someone known for early gambits.
-Rosen said:
Agree on this point as this was mostly what I was going for there, but didn't really take the time to flesh it out that much so I defaulted to what we see in most games.

@Young Pyromancer While I think the idea of the actions is quite likely at this point (it would be a bit silly for the Mayor to be able to double-reveal themselves), I don't really see how Player B would ever be cleared in that situation? I have my own ideas as to how the second reveal happened which I'm going to hold at the moment while the Day progresses, but I don't think guaranteed Town!PlayerB is one of them.
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?????
How is B NOT town? Outside of the very specific scenario I described above, scum using an ability that fast as part of an unplanned, impromptu gambit seems wildly implausible.
 
-Rosen said:
There is just enough wine involved in this kind of decision that you simply cannot make that assumption
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You can't just discard good evidence because it might be wine. Wine takes time to cultivate. You have to grow the grapes, strain the grapes, and then debate about the kind of bottle you put it in with your fellow scum. Unless there's a scum who just snapped this action off, or Nani and b pre-planned this as an elaborate setup for later, then scum can't have made that play.

If something like this counts as wine, then we're all chronic alcoholics. In a closed setup, almost anything is possible. At some point, you have to start accepting things as AI, and for me, this definitely is.
 
Young Pyromancer said:
You can't just discard good evidence because it might be wine. Wine takes time to cultivate. You have to grow the grapes, strain the grapes, and then debate about the kind of bottle you put it in with your fellow scum. Unless there's a scum who just snapped this action off, or Nani and b pre-planned this as an elaborate setup for later, then scum can't have made that play.

If something like this counts as wine, then we're all chronic alcoholics. In a closed setup, almost anything is possible. At some point, you have to start accepting things as AI, and for me, this definitely is.
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i think hes just saying that both could be from the same source
 
Young Pyromancer said:
Nani triggers mayor after seeing the lack of discussion, in order to try and get things moving. Alternatively, Nani is scum fake mayor and cop immune, and is trying to powerwolf.
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🤔

Coincidentally, what made you pop it in the first place @Nanimani? I'd rather we just cut YP overanalyzing and trying to make a potential mountain out of a crumb of a molehill off at the knees now and you mayoring without posting about it is a bit weird, jokes aside.
 
In those circumstances, in a non-bastard game, Nani would still be the more confirmed one due to being double Mayored. Player B meanwhile would not be revealed and could potentially, technically, be a loud Mafia Daycop.

You can totally still read it as AI for the players in question, just mentioning that Nani would be more confirmed in the circumstances.
 
Nictis said:
In those circumstances, in a non-bastard game, Nani would still be the more confirmed one due to being double Mayored. Player B meanwhile would not be revealed and could potentially, technically, be a loud Mafia Daycop.

You can totally still read it as AI for the players in question, just mentioning that Nani would be more confirmed in the circumstances.
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Yeah, but it is Bastard. There's no point in making arguments about if it isn't.
 
Scorbunny said:
i didnt say they came from nani.
i just said same source.
i choose my words with caution, pyromancer.
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Says the person who doesn't capitalize their 'I's.

Jk Jk, I get what you're saying. However, I don't think that's what Rosen was saying. An ability that announces someone as mayor twice is possible, yes, but why activate it now? And why Nani? There isn't a good motive.
 
Young Pyromancer said:
Says the person who doesn't capitalize their 'I's.

Jk Jk, I get what you're saying. However, I don't think that's what Rosen was saying. An ability that announces someone as mayor twice is possible, yes, but why activate it now? And why Nani? There isn't a good motive.
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it could be a modposter.
that was the point i was making.
modposters allow bbcode.
now, it's very much wine beyond that point.
i also feel like after the point of "it comes from a role" it becomes pointless to discuss because nani can just explain it when they show up.
 
Young Pyromancer said:
You can't just discard good evidence because it might be wine. Wine takes time to cultivate. You have to grow the grapes, strain the grapes, and then debate about the kind of bottle you put it in with your fellow scum. Unless there's a scum who just snapped this action off, or Nani and b pre-planned this as an elaborate setup for later, then scum can't have made that play.

If something like this counts as wine, then we're all chronic alcoholics. In a closed setup, almost anything is possible. At some point, you have to start accepting things as AI, and for me, this definitely is.
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Let me expand on it a bit then, because I think of the two situations that you bring up here, only the former is actually plausible, and can be done specifically to take advantage of your own read of the situation.

We play off the things that have already happened so far:

1) Nanimani reveals as Mayor
2) Nanimani reveals as Mayor a second time
---a) We agree on the point that this action likely comes from a source outside of Nanimani's control.

Zeroing in on point 2.a here, there are two ways I see this point going:

1) Town!Rolecop sees the original Mayor reveal, but since they know this is a bastard game, they don't immediately trust it. This player uses their action on Nanimani, and receives the same Mayor result as publicized.
2) Non-Town!Rolecop sees that a Mayor has been revealed, and decides there is merit to utilizing their action to reveal the slot a second time, namely to receive towncred for committing such an action.

Normally I would consider Occam's Razor in a situation like this, but since the game is bastard I can't really do that, as even the most inexplicable of scenarios could indeed be the world we live in now. Though I think even then, these two situations aren't fairly far from one another, considering I believe there are more than a few players that would be more than willing to take advantage of any hyper-theorizing present in this game, including what you're suggesting about this second slot, if it even exists, and if it even willingly committed such an action.

Namely, myself, Pawn, and Nictis could all reasonably foresee the assertion you're making before it happens IMO, and use that as pretty solid reasoning to commit that play.
 
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