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Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

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    • [X] Permit Casia to ascend to Nascent Soul. Will happen at turn start if so, and a fourth Nascent Action will be unlocked

    Well, with Casia and Kleisthenes, diplomacy with the Magic Oak Sect just got a lot more practical.
     
    Marlin said:
    The map does need to be updated. The old one is from year 240 and got made back in 2021. The RL year is now 2024. So, up to QM to look into that or just never do it. But it is something to consider, as factions shift even further now.
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    1) Patience my dude
    2) Occi's getting back on his feet don't overload him with requests, maybe wait for turn 16's opener to come up before asking for these things because there's a time and a place and right now ain't it
    3) Patience my dude

    I'm being slightly facetious right now but I am a little annoyed. Please be more considerate of why it might have taken three years to get to this point.
     
    BungieONI said:
    Well, with Casia and Kleisthenes, diplomacy with the Magic Oak Sect just got a lot more practical.
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    Yeah, if Manuel is free to act next turn we can leave Oaks to them along with placating the Blood Defiance Federation, while having Xiyue back Manuel up in Yuan.

    If we can successfully manage a sweep of the invading Nascent forces the impacts to the Region will be massive
     
    [X] Permit Casia to ascend to Nascent Soul. Will happen at turn start if so, and a fourth Nascent Action will be unlocked.

    ReaderOfFate said:
    After conquering the Jingshen, our total Nascent capacity has risen to two Mids and three Earlies.
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    And keep in mind that this is only the limit of what we can sustainably maintain we could temporarily (at great cost to the clan) maintain more (not that were likely to get to that point.

    Swordomatic said:
    Odds are that Kleisthenes will be our second Mid, so the third Early will be either Sheng Yu or Destasia... But honestly I never thought we'd be in a position to consider!
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    I do wonder if we can just dump mountains of resources to get more mid nascent souls as the main bottleneck there is said to be resources and getting to three or even four mid nascent cultivators would be a large increase in combat power.

    Sure, were likely to bankrupt ourselves in the process and count maintain such a state for long without more land but were facing an imminent invasion from like one late 3 mid and I think another early? If there was a time to bankrupt yourself for a temporary combat boost its probably now.
     
    uri said:
    I do wonder if we can just dump mountains of resources to get more mid nascent souls as the main bottleneck there is said to be resources and getting to three or even four mid nascent cultivators would be a large increase in combat power.

    Sure, were likely to bankrupt ourselves in the process and count maintain such a state for long without more land but were facing an imminent invasion from like one late 3 mid and I think another early? If there was a time to bankrupt yourself for a temporary combat boost its probably now.
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    Unfortunately that would cost more wealth than we have at the moment. When Manuel dumpstered himself to Mid at the start of the quest it used more wealth than we have now, and he was already a decent chunk of the way there.

    Also 'bootstrapping Early Nascent Soul into Mid Nascent Soul' isn't as much of a combat boost as you'd think, since newly broken through Nascent Souls also suffer a bit of a combat penalty (we see this with how OC at Late Nascent ultimately still lost to a Blood Defiance Federation raid comprised of only Mid Nascent Souls not long after his ascension) and it takes time to overcome that penalty - time that, if we do not balance our budget, we will not have.
     
    uri said:
    I do wonder if we can just dump mountains of resources to get more mid nascent souls as the main bottleneck there is said to be resources and getting to three or even four mid nascent cultivators would be a large increase in combat power.

    Sure, were likely to bankrupt ourselves in the process and count maintain such a state for long without more land but were facing an imminent invasion from like one late 3 mid and I think another early? If there was a time to bankrupt yourself for a temporary combat boost its probably now.
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    We cant sustain sadly , but the invasion is unlikely for oc to go full in with all his nascents.
    The man is aiming to build a power in the plains so hell have to leave some back to hold the fort.

    Likrlely hui and bloodhammer since one is on loan an the other is a nascent grade crafter which is very valuable.
     
    TehChron said:
    ...Marlin, I understand that you have difficulty communicating with people online but given your experience in DoDA I'd think you'd have learned to take the hint about QMs having irl and productivity issues and the lack of tact involved in asking for more especially when it's entirely because you want a recent map, rather than one that is needed due to any changes in the polities in the region.

    Changes that we dont even know if any have occurred since the last turn vote.

    You're not even part of the long standing conversations and planning all this time, so it's not as if you need it in the first place
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    Okay, but that's a you thing against me.

    Polity changes have happened since year 240. Can you list all the polity changes? That would help the QM you don't want to overwork, as then there's less to recall and check for the QM.
     
    Also OC might be fuckin Spooked with all the nonsense Manuel just upended onto everyone's desks.
     
    Given the funkiness with the Tribulation being partially diverted/distorted, I wonder if it would be possible to hide how many Nascents we have for a while?
     
    Alratan said:
    Given the funkiness with the Tribulation being partially diverted/distorted, I wonder if it would be possible to hide how many Nascents we have for a while?
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    Could be, but theres not much point to doing so. Theres a LOT of Nascent scale tribulations coming down during this period, five at bare minimum. Six if you include Princeys Cave Run.

    And both Princey and Rina are likely to debut their post breakthrough selves in the Pass this coming turn.

    Now's a time for us to project strength, and prove that the Righteous Path earn more by aligning directly with us now that we approach a peer status to the top independent powers of the Region, even if the strength of their coalitions remain greater.
     
    TehChron said:
    Could be, but theres not much point to doing so. Theres a LOT of Nascent scale tribulations coming down during this period, five at bare minimum. Six if you include Princeys Cave Run.

    And both Princey and Rina are likely to debut their post breakthrough selves in the Pass this coming turn.

    Now's a time for us to project strength, and prove that the Righteous Path earn more by aligning directly with us now that we approach a peer status to the top independent powers of the Region, even if the strength of their coalitions remain greater.
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    Project strength how?

    Land conquest?

    Economic donations to the righteous sects?
     
    Marlin said:
    @occipitallobe can we get a updated regional map for the year 320?
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    There will be one post the events in the Pass-update. I've been meaning to for awhile.

    The turn post is written and ready to go, so it's just a matter of waiting out the votes (probably ~20 hours or so as I'm heading to bed soon and then will post after work tomorrow unless for some reason people go against more Nascents - again, I expect this to go one way, but like to give the thread the choice) and posting then.
     
    [X] Permit Casia to ascend to Nascent Soul. Will happen at turn start if so, and a fourth Nascent Action will be unlocked.
     
    I seem to remember something about how 4 Nascent unlocks Nascent level formations, can someone remind me mechanically how they would work?
     
    [X] Permit Casia to ascend to Nascent Soul. Will happen at turn start if so, and a fourth Nascent Action will be unlocked.
     
    [X] Permit Casia to ascend to Nascent Soul. Will happen at turn start if so, and a fourth Nascent Action will be unlocked.
     
    [X] Permit Casia to ascend to Nascent Soul. Will happen at turn start if so, and a fourth Nascent Action will be unlocked.
     
    occipitallobe said:
    There was no path forward that permitted her to love them and save them. Not truly.
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    I know that it's probably impossible within the metaphysics of the setting, but it feels like that Dao 'should' have been possible to use as the foundation of a highly irregular cultivation path - one in which she becomes a kind of power source for her family line, investing them with strength and good fortune in exchange for limiting the amount of power that she wields personally.

    An inversion of Kinslaughterer, if you look at it a certain way.
     
    [X] Permit Casia to ascend to Nascent Soul. Will happen at turn start if so, and a fourth Nascent Action will be unlocked.
     
    GardenerBriareus said:
    I know that it's probably impossible within the metaphysics of the setting, but it feels like that Dao 'should' have been possible to use as the foundation of a highly irregular cultivation path - one in which she becomes a kind of power source for her family line, investing them with strength and good fortune in exchange for limiting the amount of power that she wields personally.

    An inversion of Kinslaughterer, if you look at it a certain way.
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    Ultimately, the Rules of the Cosmos demand everything be a zero sum game. For someone to gain, someone must lose an equivalent amount. This immediately puts a stop to any mutual-reinforcement shenanigans that might otherwise be in play, because no such system is 100% efficient (And if it happens, like in the Primordial Blood Path, then it will be patched as a bug, as is what happened)
     
    [X] Permit Casia to ascend to Nascent Soul. Will happen at turn start if so, and a fourth Nascent Action will be unlocked.
     
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