Kinda wondering, would the UAR attempt to "re-socialize" new labor, i mean if it wasn't for thatcher labor would still be socialist or at least socialist leaning.
History Strikes Back (TNO/TLM ISOT into OTL)
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Spylobster
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The First World SocDem parties are almost all too far gone into Third Way Neo-liberalism to be remotely recognizable as leftist organizations anymore. The UAR would probably spend most of its time establishing relations with left-leaning movements in the Third World like the MAS-IPSP in Bolivia, the PT in Brazil, and maybe the Aristide administration in Haiti.
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It will take time til the UAR influences the socialist around the world to not be as insane as the Natcoms and hypocrites
If so, Would they still make peach with china, not just for old time sake, but because china is still building its influence in asia.
The shanghai clique may be socialist in name only, but having a potential economic and industrial power house as a ally is a major boon.
And if things goes south...well there's always india. ~~screw you modi~~
The shanghai clique may be socialist in name only, but having a potential economic and industrial power house as a ally is a major boon.
And if things goes south...well there's always india. ~~screw you modi~~
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A thing to keep in mind is that China itself still considers itself communist, so there might be a lot of pressure on party apparatuses to cooperate with the UAR. Depending on how that goes, it could lead to the CCP to gradually shift to more genuinely communist policies instead of just state-capitalism. The UAR is a natural ally and partner against the USA and European nations, something China is going to want given how Russia might turn around and become a NATO ally depending on how the geopolitical situation shakes out.
You mean more "colectivist" policies right
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PRC-UAR relationships will be interesting is all I can without spoiling anything. India will also have an important and interesting role to play.
UAR: God is this what Lenin felt all the way back in the 1910s.
Well its not all bad for Ethiopia, if they really want a coast there is a big chunk of OTL Somalia left unclaimed.
Nay Lenin was just as crazy but more pragmatic about it then Stalin
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"The Cold War isn't thawing; it is burning with a deadly heat. Communism isn't sleeping; it is, as always, plotting, scheming, working, fighting."—Richard M. Nixon
The first to learn about the UAR's sudden insertion into the world were the nations that bordered the former Arab world, and to say that the Wamda had completely caught them off guard and threw their political structures into disarray was akin to saying water is wet.
This is most bluntly obvious in Mauritania, or rather whatever is left of it as the nation's capital, half its territory and more than a third of its population vanished into thin air and were replaced with the UAR's Far western provinces.
In one fell swoop the poor, sparsely populated nation was left bereft of its central government and the majority of its economy, while tens of thousands of Mauritanians would have to contend with the fact that their loved ones who happened to be in the wrong side of the Wamda were now gone forever, in some egregious cases entire communities were bisected in half and left as some Frankensteinian joke where shanty towns and ramshackle villages were now suddenly attached to thriving communes, caravan cities and dazzling displays of infrastructural might.
The new borders would be scenes of chaos and skirmishes for the next few weeks, as a few delusional army units attempted to assert control over the seeming interlopers and were easily repelled, while hastily assembled UAR border units attempted to handle the crowds of Muritanians who either demanded an explanation or entry into what had been their country's land not so long ago, their fear of the unknown overcome by awe at the sheer abundance and affluence displayed by the new state, the city of Nouakchott alone being a bustling Atlanto-Saharan mega-city whose diverse population outnumbered the entirety of Mauritania's pre-Wamda population.
A functional prosperous state would have been irrecoverably crippled by such a loss, and Mauritania was neither of those things when the Wamda happened, meaning it was hardly surprising when government and military remnants quickly fractured into petty fiefdoms and warlords even as neighboring states began circling the carcass like vultures, all seeking its rich iron ore deposits.
Kenya, Mali, Niger, and Chad were luckily spared any territorial dismembering but the event would have drastic consequences for them as well, the ruling elites of each nation realized the sheer threat posed by the sudden appearance of a socialist superpower on the doorstep, one that vastly exceeded them in every possible metric, the sheer contrast being visible from outer space. For now, however, the immediate problem would be dealing with the loss of trade with North Africa and the derailed trains and convoys at their doorsteps, and the Arabs at least were picking up most of the slack on that front.
Ethiopia had even more reasons to be both scared and enraged at the UAR's unwanted arrival, the ancient nation was now surrounded by a veritable superpower where once only failed states and petty ones existed, and its dreams of becoming a regional power in East Africa were dashed and now having the existential fear of the UAR backing elements of the former communist regime or ethnic separatists, all while global economic collapse was dooming its tentative plans for recovery.
There was a silver lining at least, in the form of the Somali province of Lower Juba being cut off from the rest of Somalia by the Wamda, leaving a possible avenue to regain sea access if the Federal Democratic Republic played its cards right, with the small chunk of former Sudan to its west being another possible annexation target if the UAR's internal focus and distraction lasts long enough.
The DRC barely noticed the arrival of the UAR, the sprawling bleeding heart of Africa mired in one of the bloodiest conflicts in human history as the Second Congo War raged with no end in sight and the conflict devoured all facets of human life even if the course of the war would be altered significantly in the future. For now, though, the southern Sudanese borders of the Arab republic would find itself processing hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing the inferno of endless war and carnage.
The Ugandans like the Ethiopians, however, would find their plans for gaining power in the region derailed by the Wamda, though they would see opportunity as well.
Outside of Africa and onto the plateaus and mountains of Asia, the UAR's appearance was no less unsettling.
Turkey once had all the making of a regional force and powerbroker in the Middle East, with its NATO membership, connections to Europe, and an industrialized economy and despite political uncertainty, the nation seemed poised to make its mark on the cradle of civilizations and beyond.
The 66 million-strong nation's status and position were altered irrecoverably when a colossal 550 million-strong juggernaut of a nation was plopped next door to it like some judgment from Allah, as Ankara now found itself in contest with a titan that stretched from the Atlantic to the Indian Oceans and an equal to the United States of America, rather than the bickering, corrupt and sickly Arab states that existed before.
Turkey may still be a shark among nations but the UAR is a killer whale and the shocks of the global economic recession that followed from the Wamda would only serve to rock the Anatolian nation further as Erdogan and his AKP see a chance to rise higher than ever in Turkish politics.
And they weren't the only ones, as the chaos of the initial transition began giving way to clarity and it quickly became apparent that the UAR hosted a substantial Turkish diaspora or rather "Anatolian" and "Aegean" diasporas, only serving to worsen the headaches of the MIT, as hated words were making their comeback in public. Words like Socialism, Communism, PKK, and Ocalan.
It would be merely the first of many issues that would crop up between Ankara and Cairo.
Tehran's issues were hardly enviable either. Iran was on high alert with Bush's "Axis of Evil" and the war on terror making the Islamic Republic paranoid and rattled, especially after the Americans invaded and occupied Afghanistan.
Now it had to deal with the nightmare scenario of another ideologically hostile continent-spanning superpower and the UAR was a far more dangerous threat on every possible level.
For one the UAR shared a long big fat border with Iran and memories of the Iran-Iraq war and its horrors still simmered within the minds of many Iranians, even after it became clear that the UAR was not seeking territorial expansion at the moment.
More insidious was the Republic's unabashed commitment to international communism, and unlike the atheist and alien USSR, the UAR's leftism was organic and in sync with local cultures, with its tradition of revolutionary Islamic theology being a direct competitor and threat to the Islamic Republic's own tradition of Shiite political Islamism.
The long-standing Iranian diaspora, both communist and progressive, in the UAR would be another thorn in the side of the Shiite Republic, and their continual criticism and rabble-rousing of the Iranian public would continue to be a hot point of contention between Cairo and Tehran for years, as would Iran's attempts at rebuilding its network of proxies in the region.
But if the two non-Arab Islamic nations had unfriendly cold reactions to the Wamda, the reaction of Europe was only one point below apocalyptic rage.
For Italy and Spain, they were hit with the dual shocks of territorial losses and the Oil Crash (caused by the sudden disappearance of the oil gulf) all coupled with the unthinkable scenario of having a socialist power at their doorstep, as if the old USSR was brought back bigger and meaner than ever before, only separated from the bastions of Western Europe by the Mediterranean.
Spain's loss was somewhat manageable, with a few African enclaves but Italy had lost Sicily which represented a pillar of its economy and 5 million Italians simply evaporated in one full stroke.
Days after the initial chaos and the confusion it became clear that not only was a part of Western Europe under communist rule but its inhabitants had been so brainwashed and brutalized that they recoiled at the mere mention of Italy.
Fear spread across the populace, quickly evolving into grief and then anger as protests erupted throughout Italy, and soon protests turned to riots as the country's far-right took full advantage of the pandemonium and Italy's Muslim and minority communities would bear the brunt.
Prime Minister Berlusconi was being pressured to do something and quick, and a man who had built his political credentials on Islamophobia and right-wing populism he could not negotiate with Cairo from his current position of weakness, let alone demand the return of Sicily as many of his people called for him to do, he needed a show of strength before anything could be done.
Luckily he found an unlikely ally….
| In the form of fellow Prime Minister Tony Blair |
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Oh so Italy will probably fall to the UAR because Britain and Italy had to find out
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Well I guess the West is about to find out what a vibrant principled Marxist state can do to a bunch of neoliberal imperialists. Lol, I can't wait to see Bush's face.
DocMatoi
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He's gonna demand to see the entire UAR's ID Card
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Italy's mere existence is gonna cause a lot of controversy
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I can see why they would conclude this, especially given the short time, confusion, and no established lines of communication. Unfortunately, they're just going to confirm to Sicily, and the entire UAR, that the monster of Fascist Italy still exists. Well, war's probably coming to Rome.
You know, I wonder if TLM's Pope was in the UAR at the time of transition.
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You think that's bad wait until they see an intact Germany leading a coalition of European states. Or what Bush is going to say when he opens his fat mouth.
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Oh god, Bush Jr. That's going to cause waves in the UAR. Son of the Bush who rebuilt the CDN and brought America out of its isolation. As soon as he starts speaking people are going to freak out.
Spylobster
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Britain's military is a shadow of its former self and won't be able to seriously threaten the UAR without American support.
Raiho-kun
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Britain is still riding high off its victory against Argentina to this day (much more so back in 2002-3), so I doubt they're going to be cognizant of this reality without being humbled in a major way first.
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Uh? Not sure what you mean by that?
DocMatoi
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raiho is saying that britain, in a haze of post-falklands war bravado, may attempt direct military action on the UAR
unless you were talking to me in which case i was saying that people In Universe won't know what the point of divergence for the two timelines is, but the existence of a unified italy helps narrow it down- you don't have to go over more than a hundred years of history like you would with other data points, you can say with 100% certainty that the divergence happened after 1861
Honestly as I see it, establishing the Point of Divergence is going to be easy considering the Point of Divergence in question is an Axis Victory. Or well the most obvious Point of Divergence, I am sure some would point to the fact that Lenin's successor being different being an earlier Point of Divergence.
Something that is made easier to see considering the Axis Powers weren't in any way subtle about what they did in TNO and even more so in TLM.
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Have you read TLM