History Strikes Back (TNO/TLM ISOT into OTL)

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  • UAR culture, subcultures and society in general

    Votes: 28 23.9%
  • UAR cities and locales

    Votes: 18 15.4%
  • Changes and events IOTL unrelated to the Cold War

    Votes: 71 60.7%

  • Total voters
    117
What are said opinions??
"Old school western style conservationism is doomed by virtue of it not only being paternalistic, colonial and maintaining man's separation from nature but also simply not being enough in the face of the damage inflicted by capitalist exploitation and pre-capitalist human activity necessitating that humans take an active role in shaping and expanding the biosphere in addition to preservation."

So where is this going to fall on the gone horribly wrong to gone horribly right scale?
Yes

Sankara Offensive, hmm. Wonder how the African Front will go, considering just how much more fragmented Africa is here
It will become apparent soon.
 
Ghaddafi’s reallygoodideas HSB edition 2
1. Circumvent the US preventing comintern aid from reaching impoverished nations by building giant railguns that shoot humantarian packages instead

2. Create a Radio Free America station to see how much self-defeating ideas the Comintern can make into mainstream right wing thought

3. Counteract attempts at whitewashing CAR or pretending it never existed by releasing a few remaining Aryan prisoners and letting nature take its course


4. Comintern should build oil platforms all over the Indian and Atlantic ocean and use that as pretext to expand its territorial waters.


5. Have the swiss embassy be placed next to a giant gold plated sign that details how they collaborated with the nazis in both timelines.


6. The UAR should use its control over the holy sites and prestigious islamic institutions to declare that any muslim who isn't a communist is a heretic as a way to demoralise capitalist islamic nations.


7. Comintern should preteend to have a "flight" of refugees going into the US, only these would be loyal socialist strategically placed in swing states to allow Cairo to control the outcome of US elections.


8. Lenin's body must be rescued from being held by capitalist and interred in Alexandria instead


9. Temporarily Rename the UAR into the United Soviets of Arabia on April's fool


10. The UAR should launch an invasion of Argentina while its not under any nuclear umbrella.
 
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9. Temporarily Rename the UAR into the United Soviets of Arabia on April's fool
That actually sounds like a really fun. It would definitely make its way past censors and would humanize the UAR to a lot of people. The rabid anti communists would still be themselves in their reactions, but eh, that's a bonus.
 
3. Counteract attempts at whitewashing CAR or pretending it never existed by releasing a few remaining Aryan prisoners and letting nature take its course
In the age of the live TV/radio global broadcast, this would actually be pretty effective. The Aryans would absolutely be given a platform by someone with money in the west, and while a good amount would nod along when they talk about Communist tyranny, it would all come crashing down once they got to the CAR's own accomplishments. Even if they attempted to play to the audience and water down the most extreme bits, the gulf between CAR thought and OTL reactionary development is considerable.
 
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1. Circumvent the US preventing comintern aid from reaching impoverished nations by building giant railguns that shoot humantarian packages instead

Would prompt a bunch of people to be utterly terrified of the new orbit launch railgun. Also logistically infeasible.

Would be really cool though.

2. Create a Radio Free America station to see how much self-defeating ideas the Comintern can make into mainstream right wing thought

Look, I know that the fachists eventually self destruct but they tend to cause horrific damage on the way down. Let's not empower them.

3. Counteract attempts at whitewashing CAR or pretending it never existed by releasing a few remaining Aryan prisoners and letting nature take its course

… don't tempt me.

4. Comintern should build oil platforms all over the Indian and Atlantic ocean and use that as pretext to expand its territorial waters.

Actually might be a viable idea.

5. Have the swiss embassy be placed next to a giant gold plated sign that details how they collaborated with the nazis in both timelines.

Let's not cause a diplomatic incident.

6. The UAR should use its control over the holy sites and prestigious islamic institutions to declare that any muslim who isn't a communist is a heretic as a way to demoralise capitalist islamic nations.

Let's not cause a jihad

7. Comintern should preteend to have a "flight" of refugees going into the US, only these would be loyal socialist strategically placed in swing states to allow Cairo to control the outcome of US elections.

Probably logistically infeasible.

8. Lenin's body must be rescued from being held by capitalist and interred in Alexandria instead

If we end up with another decade of "Who stole Lenin" shenanigans I'm blaming you.

9. Temporarily Rename the UAR into the United Soviets of Arabia on April's fool

… this might actually work and I am now tempted to do that.

10. The UAR should launch an invasion of Argentina while its not under any nuclear umbrella.

Let's not scare everyone off just yet, yes?
 
All the maneuvering, politicking, scaremongering about nuclear weapons or other WMDs and war preparations would culminate in the United States, all the members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization* along with multiple historic US allies, and Russia declaring war on the Islamic Republic of Iran on June 12th, 2007.

Operation "Stick Dick In Blender" is a go.

I wonder if the Neocons even realise that even a costly victory to take Tehran is only going to leave them with a supercharged Afghan-style insurgency to handle? What's the end goal here? A puppet republic? Putting one of the Shah's kids on the throne? Do they have a concept of a plan?
 
The New USA
The New USA

It was a rainy and cold morning. The saying might have been that April showers bring may flowers, but that didn't make it any less annoying for Tom, who had to drive for an hour and a half to beat beltway traffic. Sometimes, Tom wished that there was an easier way to get into work... but getting an apartment in D.C. was way too expensive these days. Plus, all the people in the city were young yuppies with far too many liberal ideas.

No, Tom much preferred living out in Bethesda, with his nice two-story. Gave the dog plenty of space to run around in the yard, even if those damn neighborhood kids wouldn't stop drawing on the sidewalks.

Ruminating on how tough his life was, Tom waved idly to the receptionist on his way into the building.

"Hello Mr. White." She said to him.

"Good morning... Janice!" He said to her, taking a moment to look at her nametag.

"...Janine sir."

"Right, right. Is Dale in yet Janine?" Jesus wept, this woman needed to learn some manners as far as Tom was concerned.

"Yes, Mr. Selleck is in his office at the moment." She said, her smile still on her face.

"Good good." No, not good. He'd been giving that bastard the worst hours he could, and yet he still refused to quit. Tom would be damned if that fucking darkie rat of a janitor got a severance package. Report him to HR? He'd show him.

"Have a wonderful day Mr. White."

"You too Janice." He said, giving her a bright smile. He missed the frown she gave him as he turned away.

The quality of the help really had declined. Tom started working for the heritage foundation back in the 70s, and they had far better secretaries then. Prettier too. Ah well, nothing to do about it he supposed, what with all those broads yapping about fair treatment and what not.

Tom made his way to his office, sitting down in his comfortable leather chair. He took a sip of his morning coffee, Indonesian of course, and took out his copy of the Times. Got to keep an eye on what those liberal pinkos were thinking after all.

He read the headline, saw the date at the top of the paper, the chuckled a little bit. A harmless practical joke. He scanned the article and-

"-And that's when I found him lying there." Janine told Dale, nervously playing with her hair.

"...Damn, we're probably gonna have to call the cops about this." Dale sighed, running his hands through his neatly combed hair. "And I just know that they're gonna grill us both to hell."

"Why?" Janine asked him, quirking an eyebrow. "Clearly it was a heart attack, right?"

"Look Janine, I know that. You know that. Any doctor in the world, hell, anyone with two brain cells knows that." He looked to the heavens for guidance. "But lets be smart about this, I just filed an HR claim on this asshole, The cops are gonna take on look at me, and scream 'he had a motive'! You? They're gonna ask why you didn't check on him, then hold you in suspicion for that."

"...Damn." She said, huffing. "You're right, shit, you're right. What do we do?"

"Fuck... are there cameras in this part of the building?"

"Just in the lobby. Wait..." She rubbed her chin. The office is on the first floor, and we both have keys to the back door."

"Smart thinking, lock it from the inside? Say we heard a scream?"

"And that we couldn't get in, yeah."

"All right, you start phoning the cops, I'll get to that and hop out the window."

"What was it that killed him anyway? The paper?" She quirked her head, idly picking it up. "Maybe he croaked from reading someone with an opinion to the left of McConnell?"

Dale chuckled, and took a look at the headline. Both of them stared for a moment, the burst out laughing.

USA PROCLAIMS VICTORY OF SOCIALISM, DEMANDS AN END TO EXPLOITATION OF THIRD WORLD
 
The New USA

It was a rainy and cold morning. The saying might have been that April showers bring may flowers, but that didn't make it any less annoying for Tom, who had to drive for an hour and a half to beat beltway traffic. Sometimes, Tom wished that there was an easier way to get into work... but getting an apartment in D.C. was way too expensive these days. Plus, all the people in the city were young yuppies with far too many liberal ideas.

No, Tom much preferred living out in Bethesda, with his nice two-story. Gave the dog plenty of space to run around in the yard, even if those damn neighborhood kids wouldn't stop drawing on the sidewalks.

Ruminating on how tough his life was, Tom waved idly to the receptionist on his way into the building.

"Hello Mr. White." She said to him.

"Good morning... Janice!" He said to her, taking a moment to look at her nametag.

"...Janine sir."

"Right, right. Is Dale in yet Janine?" Jesus wept, this woman needed to learn some manners as far as Tom was concerned.

"Yes, Mr. Selleck is in his office at the moment." She said, her smile still on her face.

"Good good." No, not good. He'd been giving that bastard the worst hours he could, and yet he still refused to quit. Tom would be damned if that fucking darkie rat of a janitor got a severance package. Report him to HR? He'd show him.

"Have a wonderful day Mr. White."

"You too Janice." He said, giving her a bright smile. He missed the frown she gave him as he turned away.

The quality of the help really had declined. Tom started working for the heritage foundation back in the 70s, and they had far better secretaries then. Prettier too. Ah well, nothing to do about it he supposed, what with all those broads yapping about fair treatment and what not.

Tom made his way to his office, sitting down in his comfortable leather chair. He took a sip of his morning coffee, Indonesian of course, and took out his copy of the Times. Got to keep an eye on what those liberal pinkos were thinking after all.

He read the headline, saw the date at the top of the paper, the chuckled a little bit. A harmless practical joke. He scanned the article and-

"-And that's when I found him lying there." Janine told Dale, nervously playing with her hair.

"...Damn, we're probably gonna have to call the cops about this." Dale sighed, running his hands through his neatly combed hair. "And I just know that they're gonna grill us both to hell."

"Why?" Janine asked him, quirking an eyebrow. "Clearly it was a heart attack, right?"

"Look Janine, I know that. You know that. Any doctor in the world, hell, anyone with two brain cells knows that." He looked to the heavens for guidance. "But lets be smart about this, I just filed an HR claim on this asshole, The cops are gonna take on look at me, and scream 'he had a motive'! You? They're gonna ask why you didn't check on him, then hold you in suspicion for that."

"...Damn." She said, huffing. "You're right, shit, you're right. What do we do?"

"Fuck... are there cameras in this part of the building?"

"Just in the lobby. Wait..." She rubbed her chin. The office is on the first floor, and we both have keys to the back door."

"Smart thinking, lock it from the inside? Say we heard a scream?"

"And that we couldn't get in, yeah."

"All right, you start phoning the cops, I'll get to that and hop out the window."

"What was it that killed him anyway? The paper?" She quirked her head, idly picking it up. "Maybe he croaked from reading someone with an opinion to the left of McConnell?"

Dale chuckled, and took a look at the headline. Both of them stared for a moment, the burst out laughing.

USA PROCLAIMS VICTORY OF SOCIALISM, DEMANDS AN END TO EXPLOITATION OF THIRD WORLD
This was a much needed laugh, thank you very much.


In the age of the live TV/radio global broadcast, this would actually be pretty effective. The Aryans would absolutely be given a platform by someone with money in the west, and while a good amount would nod along when they talk about Communist tyranny, it would all come crashing down once they got to the CAR's own accomplishments. Even if they attempted to play to the audience and water down the most extreme bits, the gulf between CAR thought and OTL reactionary development is considerable.
Fox News technicians rushing to cut the broadcast after the Aryan guest starts explaining the human domestication project

What's the end goal here?
"The democratic Persian Economic Free Zone"


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1. Circumvent the US preventing comintern aid from reaching impoverished nations by building giant railguns that shoot humantarian packages instead
I mean, when you can already flex on everyone else with the one, do you really need the others? Verygoodidea: anti-blockade humanitarian spaceplanes.
2. Create a Radio Free America station to see how much self-defeating ideas the Comintern can make into mainstream right wing thought
As previously mentioned, most self-defeating ideas are probably too destructive to be worth it in the long run, but maybe there's enough that aren't and we could stick to those?
3. Counteract attempts at whitewashing CAR or pretending it never existed by releasing a few remaining Aryan prisoners and letting nature take its course
Actually not a terrible idea, do a false-flag prison 'escape', throw in some non-Aryan Nazi collaborators from Russia or Eastern Europe if they're still around, either they'll face justice in their respective states or they'll unintentionally counter anti-communist propaganda with how obviously mad and self-hating they are.
4. Comintern should build oil platforms all over the Indian and Atlantic ocean and use that as pretext to expand its territorial waters.
I mean, does this count as a reallygoodidea when there's been small-scale attempts at this OTL? I suppose at the scale of 'entire oceans' it makes sense.
5. Have the swiss embassy be placed next to a giant gold plated sign that details how they collaborated with the nazis in both timelines.
Eh, sounds like overkill because that's gonna be a big sign, plus the gold might look tacky.
6. The UAR should use its control over the holy sites and prestigious islamic institutions to declare that any muslim who isn't a communist is a heretic as a way to demoralise capitalist islamic nations.
Yeah I don't think this actually would work, and may even make things worse for everyone overall if it did, especially when some take it all too seriously.
7. Comintern should preteend to have a "flight" of refugees going into the US, only these would be loyal socialist strategically placed in swing states to allow Cairo to control the outcome of US elections.
You can tell it's a reallygoodidea because the logistics and opsec of getting everyoneto the right place at the right time without anyone spilling the beans would be laughably complex.
8. Lenin's body must be rescued from being held by capitalist and interred in Alexandria instead
Why stop there, heist the entire mausoleum! More seriously, look into convincing Putin to give us it as part of a 'decommunization' campaign or similar.
9. Temporarily Rename the UAR into the United Soviets of Arabia on April's fool
Very funny and good omake, 10/10
10. The UAR should launch an invasion of Argentina while its not under any nuclear umbrella.
Look, as far as meme invasions go Sweden should also be one on similar grounds. Timing's problematic though, OTL EU got a mutual defense clause in 2007, in TTL maybe it happens sooner.
"The democratic Persian Economic Free Zone"
Three-pronged propaganda and advice response to Guangdong with Persian (or in reality, American) Characteristics:
  1. Seek advice and assistance from any usefully-experienced Guangdong civilians and CPC cadres that ended up in the UAR
  2. Translate documentaries, broadcasts, books about life under Guangdong into Persian and such, smuggle them into Iran and broadcast from UAR, get people prepared for surviving and resisting
  3. Translate documentaries, broadcasts, books about the rise of the CPC in Guangdong into English, smuggle into America and broadcast from Cuba, try and scare the Americans with what happened with Japan's verygoodidea in TLM.
 
Operation "Stick Dick In Blender" is a go.

I wonder if the Neocons even realise that even a costly victory to take Tehran is only going to leave them with a supercharged Afghan-style insurgency to handle? What's the end goal here? A puppet republic? Putting one of the Shah's kids on the throne? Do they have a concept of a plan?
Don't be silly, of course they do!

*Unrolls large sheet of paper with wax seal marked TOP SECRET, but it's just a giant print out of the word "DEMOCRACY" with an itty bitty question mark at the end*
 
An American invasion of Iran gives the UAR the opportunity to peel off the western part of the country by supporting Kurdish militants like PJAK or Komala.
 
There's another thing to consider, what would happen to the Islamic Republic of Iran? Or at least the people who are loyal to it or are connected to the regime.

Because while I do believe that they are going to loose hard to the invasion because of the sheer amount of men and material aimed at them, I can't see them going down without fighting at the very least. And it's not like the official government surrender means that every armed fighter would just willingly lay down their arms and try to get back to civilian life. And I can't see very official of the Islamic Republic accepting that the state has surrendered and willingly give away the power and privileges they enjoyed.

And this is close to Afghanistan too, so the messes would likely mix as well.

It is going to be an interesting time to be alive in that part of Asia for the foreseeable future.
 
The U.S. like all empires eventually do, is about to take that first step on the road to destruction: getting into a land war in Asia.
 
Tehran around this time would have a population approaching 8 million. Has there ever been a modern war fought in such a large city at this point? I imagine that actually taking the country would require nothing less than occupying it.
 
I think people are overestimating the ability of the US to find victory in Iran

Though I suppose if Russia also invades from the north it'll be less impractical
 
I think it's a perfectly reasonable expectation to see the combined forces of the USA, Russia, and their assorted allies win in Iran. At least in the conventional phase.

When that phase of the conflict ends though, I feel that your stance that they will not find victory in the Iran will be vindicated in ways that I think you will be surprised by.
 
I reckon this land war in Iran would be a mess post-war. I have fears that it will turn into OTL Iraq with the occupation dismantling Iran's army and state capacities.
 
I reckon this land war in Iran would be a mess post-war. I have fears that it will turn into OTL Iraq with the occupation dismantling Iran's army and state capacities.

An occupation would be much more fraught, as there would be tensions between American, Russian, and probably Azerbaijani troops whose governments all want a piece of Iran. Gets even worse when you add Kurdish guerillas and Balochi nationalists into the mix.
 
An occupation would be much more fraught, as there would be tensions between American, Russian, and probably Azerbaijani troops whose governments all want a piece of Iran. Gets even worse when you add Kurdish guerillas and Balochi nationalists into the mix.
You think the UAR would back the Kurds, considering how most of the Kurdish armed groups fighting Iran seem to be some flavour of left-wing?
 
Well America and Russia and allies got themselves trapped in a nightmare of a zone called Iran it is going to be very messy they are going to waste billions there while the uar is gaining resources and connections and allies
also your tno ' the long march' and Chrisprovidence's 'a second sunrise' taiwan isot got me into making a sufficient velocity account and coming here and reading this so thank you and hope you are doing awesome!!!
 
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Wonder how the UAR manages to get past all the international and local red tape to rapidly reconstruct things. Like, I can see them just giving a middle finger to the Western-imposed regulations, but how do they deal with the local regulations?

Also, how would they react to Pol Pot and his... frankly batshit insane version of "communism"?
 
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