History Strikes Back (TNO/TLM ISOT into OTL)

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  • UAR culture, subcultures and society in general

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  • Changes and events IOTL unrelated to the Cold War

    Votes: 66 60.6%

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Okay yeah, thinking the Comintern's troops are like the like Blue Hats? That got a laugh out of me - and does help illustrate the different contexts between the UAR and most of the world. I'm willing to bet a lot of the new Comintern members were operating under similar assumptions.

I'm a little surprised the Serbian ultranats are this against any peace deal, but it could be they're afraid of what the 'commie demons' would do to them and haven't quite realized how outmatched they are.
 
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Okay yeah, thinking the Comintern's troops are like the like Blue Hats? That got a laugh out of me - and does help illustrate the different contexts between the UAR and most of the world. I'm willing to bet a lot of the new Comintern Allie's were operating under similar assumptions.

I'm a little surprised the Serbian ultranats are this against any peace deal, but it could be they're afraid of what the 'commie demons' would do to them and haven't quite realized how outmatched they are.
Welp, the fascists don't want peace? Fine, we'll just demand and carry out their unconditional surrender.
 
I'm a little surprised the Serbian ultranats are this against any peace deal, but it could be they're afraid of what the 'commie demons' would do to them and haven't quite realized how outmatched they are.

I mean, they are definitely going to get dragged into a trial about the various atrocities that they ordered, allowed, or permitted to happen. And then have to spent years doing hard labor to atone for what they did. And I do think they know how outmatched they are, it's just that the logic they operate in means that they will try to resist to the last soldier than just surrender.
 
Okay yeah, thinking the Comintern's troops are like the like Blue Hats? That got a laugh out of me - and does help illustrate the different contexts between the UAR and most of the world. I'm willing to bet a lot of the new Comintern members were operating under similar assumptions.
As hilarious as the US leadership panicking over realizing they have two communist militaries to deal with is, the more interesting bit IMO is how the OTL members of the IRBs handle it. This is the first time since the 70s, or even the 50s, that some of these militaries' members have seen active combat. And for the more hawkish members like North Korea and China, testing their troops and equipment against the old soviet stockpile while backstopped by That But Good is a relatively safe way to figure out what works and what doesn't, get that practical experience.
I mean, they are definitely going to get dragged into a trial about the various atrocities that they ordered, allowed, or permitted to happen. And then have to spent years doing hard labor to atone for what they did. And I do think they know how outmatched they are, it's just that the logic they operate in means that they will try to resist to the last soldier than just surrender.
This is a TNO military: The expectation is the other guy's going to fight to the death and inflict genocide on their own population as they fall. That they'll take larger numbers of prisoners in one fell swoop will be a bit new.
 
So if Kosovo goes red, I imagine Albania does too, especially with the somewhat-fond memories of the Communist years?

Not an Albanian expert but Albania was considered the North Korea of Europe for a reason the Communist party there was very controlling and anti-democratic like the leader of the Communist party killed his own successor because he was worried that his successor would exceed him.

More likely Albania hates Communism
 
Why are you constantly changing the names of each timeline like it's getting very annoying.
Because it's charming? Well maybe not for everyone, but I think it's neat.

Also goes to show how far reaching Wamda was for everyone with all the different names that people have come up for the different timelines.

Like, seriously, I don't think people appreciate just how shocking and world-changing Wamda is.
 
the Comintern was seen as little more than a United Nations clad in red instead of light blue and certainly just as an ineffectual on its own

This is a theme from the last update as well: none if any of the capitalists have bothered properly understanding the UAR/Comintern's home timeline. There is a degree of selection bias here as the capitalists who read through the history provided would find the communists actions from the initial nuke drop onwards to all be blindingly obvious and so wouldn't be the ones taking suicidal actions like this; but at the same time the "this is just the USSR but with warmer weather" brainworms are still very tightly packed into the mainstream capitalist understanding of the communists
 
Okay yeah, thinking the Comintern's troops are like the like Blue Hats? That got a laugh out of me - and does help illustrate the different contexts between the UAR and most of the world. I'm willing to bet a lot of the new Comintern members were operating under similar assumptions.

I'm a little surprised the Serbian ultranats are this against any peace deal, but it could be they're afraid of what the 'commie demons' would do to them and haven't quite realized how outmatched they are.
The other Comintern members were indeed, treating their membership and the token contributions as afterthoughts. Now they are starting to wonder what the hell have they gotten themselves into

And to be entirely fair to the ultranats, a lot do want to sue for peace but as indicated by the update a lot more are hopped up on the anticommunism and are willing to dethrone and/or kill the former if they show any hint of "appeasement".

This is a theme from the last update as well: none if any of the capitalists have bothered properly understanding the UAR/Comintern's home timeline. There is a degree of selection bias here as the capitalists who read through the history provided would find the communists actions from the initial nuke drop onwards to all be blindingly obvious and so wouldn't be the ones taking suicidal actions like this; but at the same time the "this is just the USSR but with warmer weather" brainworms are still very tightly packed into the mainstream capitalist understanding of the communists
To be entirely fair most have learnt their lesson well enough, which is why neither the western powers or even Russia have moved to support Serbia beyond token platitudes; but the thing is that knowing about the events in TLM and actually believing they happened as told are two very different things. You gotta remeber that the 2000s is an era where a lot of brainworms about how the Nazis weren't all that bad are still uncritically examined (clean wehrmacht, double genocide, etc) and many believe that the UAR is distorting, exaggerating or fabricating a lot of the more outrageous events; such as CAR or Hyperborea's existence.
 
A Changing Continent, Africa from 2000-2050 New
The 2007 lighting offensive by the African Liberation Army into the Democratic Republic of Congo would have significant short-term and long-term effects on both the country and the global economy, especially the tech and electric vehicle industries, which would would face serious disruptions. What started as an offensive to preempt western intervention and support pan-African movements across Central and East Africa would lead to a collapse of most opposition within a month. Within a week of the offensive, commodity prices and stock prices would drop, rise and then drop again as companies would scramble to secure new sources and contracts. International companies and foreign investors were heavily involved in the former DRC's mining industry and faced massive losses from nationalizations and debt payments, later leading on to a series of mergers and buyouts in the next five years.

Other countries in sub-Saharan Africa and across the world, started to increase their control over global mineral resources, leading to competition for access to mineral-rich regions or alternate trade routes. For instance, countries like Zambia or Australia would see an increase in demand for their minerals, but it would take time for them to ramp up production. Countries that bordered the DRC, particularly for countries like Uganda and Zambia would face cross-border economic challenges as exports would be disrupted. The electronics and renewable energy sections would be hard hit as cobalt is key to battery production for electric vehicles, solar energy storage, and other green technologies. The halt in this supply would delay the global shift towards renewable energy in the west, as companies and governments would struggle to find alternative sources of cobalt.

-A Changing Continent, Africa from 2000-2050
 
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