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History Strikes Back (TNO/TLM ISOT into OTL)
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That's less likely in this timeline at least, as the UAR pretty much gutted the financial support system for them to function. While I have no doubt they exist (because religion), they're unlikely to gain as much traction. Especially when the Revolutionary Theologians (which the UAR is sponsoring) provide a much better funded alternative and have less stringent restrictions.
Well I can see them being filled by Mosques I doubt they'll be mostly Shia. Again, the UAR sponsoring massive theological movements that will attempt to fill the vacuum.
I think you might be in the wrong thread. You want the long march.
Well this is defiantly an interesting story. Feels a lot more like it's harder for the US to wage a Cold War because these guys aren't really that bad in comparison to the USSR. Though I assume some of the actions (like Nuking a Fleet) isn't going to help their perceptions as much. But it'll be fun to watch the US and UAR duke it out.
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United States in this TL be like: Alright, let's redo 2020: Shots Fired by invading Iran and hope that we don't end in a shitty retreat ever displayed to all of the world! Fingers crossed!
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yeah, but this is a USA which hasn't experienced the 21st Century like we have and failed to learn the lessons they should have.
I mean granted I think there will certainly be countries in this TL that would pick up the financial tab for Islamic extremists. Especially if it means countering the UAR.
I think you could definitely see more a competition between the two. Iran is (or rather was in this TL) a theocratic society where the Shia clerics held a large amount of power. That's hardly going to go away even after you introduce new theological movements sponsored by another power. There's definitely going to be a lot of jockeying between the two groups.
Current Neo-Comintern members, observers, or otherwise aligned states:
United Arab Republic
People's Republic of China
Republic of Cuba
Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea)
Socialist Republic of Vietnam
Lao People's Democratic Republic (Laos)
Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela
Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Republic of Kosovo
Democratic Republic of Congo (partial occupation)
Central African Republic (???)
Potential future members:
Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia
Republic of Rwanda
Republic of Burundi
Republic of South Africa
Any other nations I missed, please let me know and I'll edit them in
tbh, I'm kind of surprised the UAR tolerates the likes of the DPRK, considering their incredibly abysmal human rights record, past and present, that might draw some unwanted parallels with certain enemy nations from their original timeline, not to mention how much of a loose cannon the Kims could be. Surely they can't be that desperate for friends? Can't help but think about what the UAR might do when the Kims inevitably ignore their demands to reform, while probably still having Chinese protection. And about the Chinese, I wonder how the UAR, who managed to deal with their own peaceful protests pretty civilly in the 90s, feel about the Tiananmen Square Protests... and how that ended, not to mention all the restrictions on even talking about it. Or just... any of the unsavoury shit the PRC does to some of its ethnic minorities and its dissidents that might look familiar to some formerly oppressed people groups in the UAR.
United Arab Republic
People's Republic of China
Republic of Cuba
Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea)
Socialist Republic of Vietnam
Lao People's Democratic Republic (Laos)
Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela
Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Republic of Kosovo
Democratic Republic of Congo (partial occupation)
Central African Republic (???)
Potential future members:
Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia
Republic of Rwanda
Republic of Burundi
Republic of South Africa
Any other nations I missed, please let me know and I'll edit them in
tbh, I'm kind of surprised the UAR tolerates the likes of the DPRK, considering their incredibly abysmal human rights record, past and present, that might draw some unwanted parallels with certain enemy nations from their original timeline, not to mention how much of a loose cannon the Kims could be. Surely they can't be that desperate for friends? Can't help but think about what the UAR might do when the Kims inevitably ignore their demands to reform, while probably still having Chinese protection. And about the Chinese, I wonder how the UAR, who managed to deal with their own peaceful protests pretty civilly in the 90s, feel about the Tiananmen Square Protests... and how that ended, not to mention all the restrictions on even talking about it. Or just... any of the unsavoury shit the PRC does to some of its ethnic minorities and its dissidents that might look familiar to some formerly oppressed people groups in the UAR.
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Who would that be? Pretty much the only OTL Sunni Muslim power I can think of who have NOT been displaced by the UAR and might have the interest in doing that is Pakistan, and they lack the oil dosh the Saudis have.
The thing is that all the Sunni fundamentalists hate the Shia's guts and all the Shia fundementalists left are only in Iran, as the only other large population of Shia Muslims now lives within the UAR and are relatively content. If the Islamic Republic's senior leadership gets blasted, shot, or otherwise arrested by the US, then the surviving junior leadership might very well respond by pivoting to the UAR and starting to drift towards a synthesis of their own ideas and that of what the Shia revolutionary theologians within the UAR have come up with.
I guess we'll know if they ever relabel themselves as something like "the Communal Islamic Republic of Iran"...
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Exactly this. OTL reactionary jihadist movement is greatly propped up by twin benefit of their patron Saudi Arabia both controlling the Two Holy Mosques and having infinite oil money. Something that ITTL suddenly in the hand of UAR revolutionary communist muslim.
Pakistan can not compare as a pusher of the Islamic Far-Right terrorist they are merely a neutral meeting point. Especially when one of the most succesful movement OTL Pakistan people exported is the peaceful Tabhligi movement competing the same recruitment base from Far right islamist. ITTL Tabhligi will be either in a hot seat maintaining their political neutrality or suddenly reinvigorated by the blooming of a thousand Islamic thought UAR brought and material aid UAR give.
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The collapse of Global economy. It is deliberately hidden fact that many resource the world use are directly extracted from Africa. Resource that suddenly missing from global economy. Its production guarded by Pan-African superpower. May even started World War 3 when Western military try to secure Africa resource again.
You mean when it get nuked right ?
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May very well be. Though OTL western intervention usually involve uniformed small elite military force, attached to comprador forces, that by training and equipment able to overwhelm the far larger poorly trained and equipped local opposition. These kind of forces are not a nuke effective target even for tactical nuke.
What would most likely happens is a parody of that Venezualan coupist that is stopped by fishers but more diplomatically dangerous because the forces will be elite uniformed one under believe that ASU have porous border and weak security. When the forces are captured by ASU that is when WW3 is most plausible. They will be proof of a military raid, an act of war.
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Me too. It is kinda strange seeing UAR allying with an dystopic nation that pretends to be communist and a nation that have the undercurrents of ultranationalism once they achieved their century.
Well, if the news of UAR allying those two are dimensionally sent to the TLM world, the 4I would probably tell UAR to force those two into reforming those systems, or expect not be part of the alliance at all.
At least for North Korea it's pretty obvious that the UAR expects North Korea to clean up its act. It's more of a matter when not if when NK changes for the better. Why the UAR is bothering to ally with these nations? Mostly because the list of nations willing to even recognize the UAR is a very short list. And the list of nations willing to join Comintern is even shorter so they have to take what they can get.
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The DPRK has kind of always had a National Communist bent but it is worth noting that North Korea was more developed and had a higher quality of life than South Korea until the 80s. It's really only after the collapse of the USSR and Eastern Bloc that we get the North Korea that everyone is familiar with through memes of no food and crumbling infrastructure (though even this image is more of a 90s thing than a current reality).
Being part of the Comintern kind of forces the DPRK to open up if it wants help rebuilding its living standards to pre-90s levels.
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I mean, 4I of TLM presented themselves as the "beacon of liberty" to the post-TNO world over corporate greediness of CDN, Nazis and Japanese by showing that their nations are stable and freer than the last three.
UAR allying with NK and PRC completely contradict the values presented by the 4I back in TLM.
But the rest of your comment, I guess that is a fair point since the Cold War ended and majority of the communist nations by then have collapsed.
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Talk of how the occupation of Iran will go feels a bit previous. As stated the country is large, populous, has a respectable military, and has been readying itself for an invasion for many years. American logistics are likely to surprise Cairo with their reach and competence in this world, but beyond that there's no guarantee that America's alliance actually wins.
Of course there's also the question of the bomb. Did the UAR's readiness to use them also break the taboo for American use? Do the Iranians have any? Etc. Etc.
Of course there's also the question of the bomb. Did the UAR's readiness to use them also break the taboo for American use? Do the Iranians have any? Etc. Etc.
I don't think the Taboo of Nuclear Weapon use is completely broken, if only because what the UAR did was a defensive maneuver against an invading force. While if the USA unironically uses Nukes in an offensive manner it would be a different thing because it doesn't follow the precedent set by the UAR that Defensive use of Nuclear Armaments is allowed, which is something that I think is an unspoken rule that was untested until the Mediterranean Incident. The USA would basically be admitting that they are so incompetent in their war-making abilities that they have to use Nukes against a country that does not have Nuclear Capability to secure a win.
The Iranians most certainly does not have any because they don't have the capability to have a Civilian Nuclear Industry, much less a Military Nuclear Industry. This is because the point of divergence is recent enough in the timeline that nothing could have changed that fact and because other countries are sabotaging their Nuclear Program.
Plus the UAR would probably also be active in sabotaging Iran's nuclear program since I doubt they want a bunch of islamic fundamentalists with nukes as their neighbors.
That is presuming that the Islamic Republic of Iran exists long enough for the UAR to being sabotage operations. Because they are currently being invaded by the armed forces of a lot of states as of currently.
But yeah in the hypothetical scenario that the USA didn't drag along a lot of people in it's wild ride in Iran, I can see them joining the efforts of various powers to make sure that Iran doesn't develop nuclear capabilities.
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"For as long as multinational communities have existed, their weak point has always been the relations between different nations."—Slobodan Milosevic
To understand why Serbia decided to invade Bosnia in 2007, one needs to step back and review the actions of the Great Power that was often ignored during the 2000s: The Russian Federation.
Moscow had been one of the few nations that could earnestly say it had come out of the wamda in much better shape than before: its economy was recovering faster than expected thanks to demand for oil skyrocketing, it had cultivated a beneficial relationship with the United States and several Western European states and successfully halted (at least for now) western enroachment into post-Soviet Eastern Europe, all of which served to strengthen Putin's empire of vultures.
And with this security and fortune came the appetite for expanding its influence even more, mainly through a growing network of far-right pro-Russian parties that were emerging all across Europe even in the western liberal heartlands, a dark mirror to the USSR's own suffocating influence on the communist parties of old, taking advantage of the US and Europe's blunders in handling eastern and southern Europe and their seeming "betrayals" of the nations that had sacrificed everything for a chance at joining the club of western liberalism.
One nation where this strategy bore the most fruit would be Russia's historic ally Serbia, where the Serbian Radical Party or SRS' triumphant rise to power seemed to herald an era of renewed Russian presence in the Balkans.
But Russia hadn't counted on two things regarding its new vassal in the region.
One was the fact that though their far right puppets had risen off the back of their liberal counterparts' failures to handle the economic crisis and reconstruction, the SRS was quickly proving to be little better at the task themselves.
To be entirely fair, tackling either problem completely would have required resources that they simply didn't have. Moscow was proving to be even more stingy than the west when it came to aid, but the SRS' corruption and incompetence didn't help matters either. There was only so much blaming of gay people, minorities, and other such acceptable targets they could do before people started to wise up.
Secondly, Putin and his cronies had not counted on the sincerity of the SRS' revanchist desires, the ultranationalists' barely concealed dream of a greater Serbia having become one of their selling points to the populace, and it was a dream they believed was feasible in the here and now.
It wasn't an unfounded belief, for though Kosovo and Bosnia were prospering greatly from their alliance with Cairo, both countries were beginning to experience divisions and tensions over the decision to hitch their rides with socialists. Conservative-ruled Bosnia in particular was seeing protests from both prominent politicians and segments of the population alike.
And among these segments were the Serbs who inhabited the country who feared that a more prosperous Bosnia would be a Bosnia that would try to do away with its peculiar federal arrangement, and with that, many feared would come a wave of ethnic cleansing or forced conversion with the blessings of the Islamobolshevik Arabs.
Of course, Belgrade was more than happy to exploit these fears to its advantage and court the rising tide of separatism in its Islamic neighbor. It established a network of contacts and partnerships that would be the groundwork for the eventual annexation of Bosnia's Serbian majority regions, with these networks reaching as far as the highest levels of the Republika Srpska.
The Serbian government would also perform all the usual spectacles of pre-invasion as well, from riling up their countrymen to threats and demonstrations to intimidate their future targets.
On the diplomatic front, the Serbs believed that they had both Russia's and the western powers' blessing for an blitz operation in Bosnia owing to both wishing to see the UAR's growing influence in Southern Europe curtailed, a belief that was reinforced when neither pushed back seriously against Serbia's revanchist rhetoric and displays.
One might think that the UAR's nuclear display in its first days post-Wamda may have forced the Serbs to reconsider, but Belgrade gambled on the fact that the UAR may not be so willing to burn political capital by using nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear power especially for a country and land that wasn't even theirs and even more so if Serbia was able to force a fait accompli by a quick operation.
All that was needed for the commies to be distracted by something to enhance chances of success, and that something would come in the form of the Iran War and the parallel Sankara offensive that quickly snowballed into the First African Revolutionary War.
Serbia, having prepared for quite some time, would quickly mobilize its armed forces once news of both events was confirmed, and in tandem separatist riots in Srpska would quickly evolve into straight up insurgencies as police and military units defected in droves as Serbian armies began to pour through the border.
Initially everything was going according to plan without a hitch, the Bosnian army was melting away as confusion and betrayal made it impossible to coordinate a counter attack or defence, and the invaders being welcomed by towns that had already fallen to the separatists, the UAR's attention seemed preoccupied with more urgent matters on its borders while the Western powers didn't bother to push back against Serbia's blatant aggression save with token calls for peace, even as reports quickly emerged of ethnic cleansing and massacres of Bosnians in the occupied areas.
It wasn't long before large segments of the east were overrun by the Serbs, who then began to push west and south without pause, and the success of the operation was such that Belgrade was now planning for another offensive into Kosovo.
Making matters worse for Sarajevo was the invasion only heightening divisions within its government and without as several impromptu armed Islamist elements took advantage of the chaos to denounce the federal government and de facto go rogue with the blessing of their counterparts in office.
For a brief period it seemed that the ultranationalists were vindicated in their gambit as their enemies crumbled and they seemed on the cusp of uniting all Serbs under one umbrella at last.
| And indeed they would |