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I would see Ethiopia building a dam in the future which prob could cause a war between them and the UAR.

Though, I want to see the UAR's reaction to the Islamic Fundamentalism (and Iran) since 9/11 still happened before the Wamda.
 
Spylobster said:
I think African liberals would still probably have better luck with China than the USA. France in the early to mid 2000s is still LARPing as a colonial great power in West Africa.
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China is more or less destined to gravitate towards the UAR's bloc and that's becoming more apparent to both them and onlookers. If anything, its softer approach to winning over "non-aligned" powers into a cordial deals and agreements with itself and its allies actually complements the UAR's role in fanning revolutions wherever the opportunity presents itself. Of course, it's not like the liberal African bloc has much choice as of now.

Perhaps that can change if some other power arises and eventually supplants China's OTL role. Maybe India, seeing how it's been trying to remain in proximity of both main spheres. It would have to jump through a hundred different hoops, however.
 
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Raiho-kun said:
China is more or less destined to gravitate towards the UAR's bloc and that's becoming more apparent to both them and onlookers. If anything, its softer approach to winning over "non-aligned" powers into a cordial deals and agreements with itself and its allies actually complements the UAR's role in fanning revolutions wherever the opportunity presents itself. Of course, it's not like the liberal African bloc has much choice as of now.

Perhaps that can change if some other power arises and eventually supplants China's OTL role. Maybe India, seeing how it's been trying to remain in proximity of both main spheres. It would have to jump through a hundred different hoops, however.
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I think an interesting place where China and the UAR might have to work around or with each other is Nepal. OTL China generally supported the Nepalese monarchy but the UAR is almost certainly doing what it can to help the rebels. By 2003-2005, the communist rebels controlled much of the countryside and I think Kathmandu was under threat of a siege. The monarchists are probably in even worse shape in this TL.

Makes me wonder if the Maoists will end up adopting some of the UAR's political thought and if the UAR will be able to corral the myriad of different Nepalese leftists into a united front.

Fun fact, there is a real life communist party in Nepal that has openly adopted North Korean Juche as part of its political programme. Its actually managed to gain a foothold in a region of Nepal and administrates a small city there.
 
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August said:
So uh, did the UAR ever get that security council seat, or even join the UN?
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I know it's a bit redundant, but im juat wanna remind everyone that the UN is made as a international forum for nations, not as a world goverment prototype like the KoR.

If the us or any other nation tries to turn it into such, they will received condemnation by everyone.

Is it perfect?, no. Is it useless?, no. So in that regard i would think the uar and the cominterm is gonna try to treat it as such and differentiate it from the KoR.
 
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Return (2002-2004)
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    • "...suddenly began to cry for no reason at all—or perhaps for everything for which I had no name."― Ghassan Kanafani

    If the Israeli diaspora was busy having the equivalent of a public nervous breakdown, their Palestinian counterparts were having a more complex experience.

    Sure the Apartheid government was gone for good by some seeming act of Allah, but still, the fact remained that the Wamda also effectively erased not only the majority of said Palestinian diaspora concentrated in hundreds of refugee camps, scattered families, and dual citizenships across the Arab world but also the entirety of Palestine, at least the one those that remained knew and longed for.

    And the one that existed in its place was one so changed that it was almost unrecognizable; the walls, checkpoints, segregated areas, settlements, and slum towns were gone, replaced with the gleaming megalopolises of the Mediterranean coast, the cozy eco-communes of the Beersheba, the underground metropolis of Jerusalem/Quds and too many wonders to be named here, to say nothing of just how utterly different the culture of the Long March Filasṭīniyyen was from its Gurion Triumphant counterpart with its ironclad acceptance of LGBTQ rights, the cultural influences brought on by being (formerly) an international destination for many immigrants to the UAR and the simple fact it wasn't shaped by a half-century struggle against a genocidal entity that had nearly the entire western world backing its settler-colonial ambitions.

    Still many tens of thousands would migrate to the UAR within the first two years of its existence, often without much real choice in the matter, as Islamophobic sentiments in North American and European societies were showing no signs of abating and if anything were only calcifying into government policy after the initial waves of pogroms and lynches, in America's case not helped by the Neo-Israelite hastily rebuilt hasabra apparatus, which singled out Palestinians specifically.

    For the large and overlooked Palestinian communities of Latin America the situation was far less dire. By the time of the Wamda many had integrated rather well into their new home countries to abandon their lives there. However, some would still pack up and move to the UAR thanks to its guarantee of better life prospects amidst a struggling world economy. In contrast, others planned on a temporary move to receive education/technical training before returning.

    Regardless of reasons many would make the journey to the many ports of the Republic, and the event that would be known as Al-Wouda* would become immortalized in so many ways post facto, the collective binary experience of a tearful joyful return to a home many thought lost forever contrasted with the bitter sorrow that so many of your loved ones will never get to see it.


    The stories of Al-Wouda are as varied as the people who lived through it, from joyous triumph, and resigned contentedness to melancholic bitterness as the returned Palestinians could finally begin moving on from the trauma of 1948; circumstances often complicating the very idealized romanticized ideas of return that many had, such as the many who had held onto the keys of their former homes, only to often find that their homes no longer existed or were occupied by people who weren't settlers, in more than a few cases by alternate versions of themselves and their families, resulting in many awkward situations such as one woman who discovered her alter had transitioned decades ago (though, funnily enough, both were married to different versions of the same man).

    Even so at least the returnees had the support of the UAR government, whose extensive mutual aid and welfare system was more than up to the task of providing housing, education, work and other accommodations for the returnees though even it couldn't do much when it came to those who struggled to accept some of the drastic differences between the two palestines.

    Alongside the Palestinians came returning waves from other Arab diasporas: Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, Iraqis and other former citizens of now-vanished Arab nations who ranged from tourists turned stateless people to dual citizens or long-term residents of other nations escaping the rising tide of Arabophobia and Islamophobia across many parts of the globe.

    Despite some's fears (and hopes) that these waves of returnees would result in a right-wing turn for Republic politics, the fact of the matter was that the number of immigrants/refugees at the time (one million between 2002 and 2004) was a fraction of a percent of the UAR's population, and many quickly adapted to the UAR's political climate one way or another, whether by eager adoption or resigned acceptance.

    However, not all diasporic Arabs were so keen on adopting the communist union as their new home, finding its progressive values and openness downright morally repugnant, and its mainstreaming of revolutionary theologies outright heretical, and there was of course the the still quite extant antisemitism among many non-UAR Arabs.

    And there were those who were willing to overlook all of that but were not allowed to immigrate to the UAR, on account of past or extant ties with Islamist organizations or proven ties to slavery utilizing governments and businesses, the latter of which excluded most unmoored Saudis, Qatari, and other former gulf citizens from ever setting foot in the Arab republic save as prisoners, such was the ubiquity of neo-slavery schemes such as the Kefala system in the former petrocracies.

    Luckily for the majority of GCC citizens (most of whom had rejected the possibility of becoming UAR citizens even when they feasibly could) many of them had great sums of wealth outside their homelands and stashed away in foreign banks, trust funds and investment before the Wamda, meaning that a lot of them managed to set themselves up comfortably or luxuriously in whatever host country was willing to take them in (and their money of course).

    For all the mythologizing that would later characterize it, however, Al-Wouda would prove to be all things considered a relatively minor event in the grand scheme of things, even the mass migration being overshadowed in numbers and intensity by subsequent waves…

    | As upheaves continued to rock the world |



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    • Bittersweet but nice to see. Justice wasn't truly delivered seeing how most of the culprits were literally zapped out of existence, but it's still one wrong set right.

    It must be fascinating and frustrating to step into such an alternate version of your homeland.
     
    It is pretty funny to say that the new Palestine "wasn't shaped by a half-century struggle against a genocidal entity" when THE ENTIRE UAR WAS shaped by a half century struggle against a genocidal entity!
     
    StarMaker764 said:
    Luckily for the majority of GCC citizens (most of whom had rejected the possibility of becoming UAR citizens even when they feasibly could) many of them had great sums of wealth outside their homelands and stashed away in foreign banks, trust funds and investment before the Wamda, meaning that a lot of them managed to set themselves up comfortably or luxuriously in whatever host country was willing to take them in (and their money of course).
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    Hm. It's definitely going to be a period of adjustment, as the systems of both petrochemical and financial services that many of these oligarchs relied on are now gone. They're no longer functionally living off quasi-feudal government backing, they're in an incredibly competitive global market. Lots of countries and existing investors are gonna fleece these people for everything they have, but the ones that do stick around and make money? Especially if they're in European or North American countries? They're gonna be the best of the best, cunning and able to handle alot of problems at once.
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    For all the mythologizing that would later characterize it, however, Al-Wouda would prove to be all things considered a relatively minor event in the grand scheme of things, even the mass migration being overshadowed in numbers and intensity by subsequent waves…
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    The majority of the world world hasn't done walls for decades, and expulsion policies for even longer.

    But which is going to be more important for them? Keeping people under their thumb, or ensuring only a 'pure' few remain?
     
    Wonder how Israel is doing in the TLM universe.
    I have to say I would prefer a worldmerge because then you get the UAR vs Israel-and they are mirror images in a way.
    They are both built off the idea of nationalism empowering a historically victimized people.
     
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    dcd said:
    Wonder how Israel is doing in the TLM universe.
    I have to say I would prefer a worldmerge because then you get the UAR vs Israel-and they are mirror images in a way.
    They are both built off the idea of nationalism empowering a historically victimized people.
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    The closest thing is Tkuma, which basically speedran to the point of modern Israel and then a bit. Also, the UAR isn't really nationalist I don't think? I'm not sure I'd characterize pan-Arabism as nationalism, though one could say they're related.
     
    trooperist said:
    Bittersweet but nice to see. Justice wasn't truly delivered seeing how most of the culprits were literally zapped out of existence, but it's still one wrong set right.

    It must be fascinating and frustrating to step into such an alternate version of your homeland.
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    I was under the impression that the UAR and its counterpart territories in our world just got swapped, not un-existed?

    And I'm shuddering at the thought of what a clusterfuck must be happening in the TLM world right now.
     
    CowardlyPanda said:
    I was under the impression that the UAR and its counterpart territories in our world just got swapped, not un-existed?

    And I'm shuddering at the thought of what a clusterfuck must be happening in the TLM world right now.
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    I mean, from an in-universe perspective, unless they had a way to contact the "other half" of such a swap, it wouldn't make a difference whether they were swapped, or the UAR was copy-pasted over the OTL Arab world, thus 'actually' zapping them out of existence.
     
    Axiomatic said:
    It is pretty funny to say that the new Palestine "wasn't shaped by a half-century struggle against a genocidal entity" when THE ENTIRE UAR WAS shaped by a half century struggle against a genocidal entity!
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    The UAR however actually managed to evict said genocidal entities from its territories and generally has not been invaded or directly threatened existintally by them for a long time since. Thats…not the case with Palestinians at all.

    yeastmobile said:
    It's unfortunate to see the firm right-wards fling of the western world starting to cement itself, but it's very beautiful to see that people can just accept the UAR's governance without worry. I wonder what the underground metropolis looks like.
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    Basically there was a great religious awakening around the mid 1990s that resulted in a lot of people from across the world moving to Quds, which made for a problem since the city had so many historic sites and its residents didn't wish to see the city's aesthetic and beauty be ruined with the required remodelling to house the new inhabitants. So they just decided to build everything underground instead resulting in their being two cities, the quaint upper city and the underground megacity
     
    StarMaker764 said:
    Basically there was a great religious awakening around the mid 1990s that resulted in a lot of people from across the world moving to Quds, which made for a problem since the city had so many historic sites and its residents didn't wish to see the city's aesthetic and beauty be ruined with the required remodelling to house the new inhabitants. So they just decided to build everything underground instead resulting in their being two cities, the quaint upper city and the underground megacity
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    Speaking of the religious sites, how are they doing? Did The Long March still have stuff like The Status Quo? How does the UAR approach balancing the different faiths' desires and conflicts within the city and specific sites? Do they still have a variety of denominations and faiths or has the chaos and genocides of the fascist regime whittled down many of the older religions?
     
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