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Ya it's one of those things where it's a close enough fight that would heavily depend on the Context of their encountering one another and either way would probably a attrition fest nightmare race where the entity atleast has a fair chance of pulling it off compared to most anyone else and so goes the other way around but under normal circumstance they would not be picking that fight and probably do so by either
Avoiding the planet or quaratining the Type away from their operating area
 
AurielReaver said:
Ya it's one of those things where it's a close enough fight that would heavily depend on the Context of their encountering one another and either way would probably a attrition fest nightmare race where the entity atleast has a fair chance of pulling it off compared to most anyone else and so goes the other way around but under normal circumstance they would not be picking that fight and probably do so by either
Avoiding the planet or quaratining the Type away from their operating area
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The funny part about this discussion is that, personally, I feel Scion would win.

ORT is unquestionably physically stronger in my eyes. But ORT is stupid. Like oh dear God is it stupid. One of the reasons Chaldea was able to beat LB ORT was because it had its heart ripped out, and ORT was too stupid to realize it could just instantly regenerate a new one. Thus it fought them at a huge disadvantage.
 
Notspecialdude said:
One of the reasons Chaldea was able to beat LB ORT was because it had its heart ripped out, and ORT was too stupid to realize it could just instantly regenerate a new one.
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Wasn't he being tricked by Malla into not regenerating his heart by making him think he still had one?

Daybit did something similar with U-Olga.
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Also Scion has a "I win button" that he would definitely uwe against another "Entity".
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Assuming that it worked perfectly as it did in Worm canon.
 
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Speculation: who, if any, will be new Servant in Chaldea. Clearly, it's not free David we got for some reason.
1. Drake: one of the strongest Riders in the game, and has plenty of narrative investment. Also pretty ironic to have on tap in London, and to some extent, in USA. Chaldea also does not have Rider at all. However, she is pretty tied to naval theme, and i doubt her NP can be played strait as ghost guns appearing behind her. So i would not expect her.
2. Asterius. Chaldea also has no Berserker, and he also has decent narrative investment. However, character-wise he pretty tied to Euriale, and she clearly has no interest in Chaldea, and also no need of 3rd Archer.
3. Medea. Absolute mood kindred to Taylor, and my personal favorite here. Also voiced investment with working with Taylor. But she pretty much copies El Melloy narrative niche as low-combat, high-utility "scientist" (exposition girl) so, sadly, i doubt we get her.
4. Honorable mention: Heracles. Greatest hero as perceived by west. While awesome to get, he either absurdly OP, or non-character beatstick, therefore has no chance to be here.
5. Honorable mention: Caenis. We have precedent of summoning Heroic Spirit who was an antagonist previously. She shown enough interest in Aife to come to Chaldea. But given potential of Team A, i doubt we see her any time soon.
6. Hektor. Very interesting character, with enough spotlight on him. Lancer that is not win-button as Aife, so he can be used more freely. IMHO most likely to be taken.
7. Orion (Artemis). For some reason, Taylor content to watch her from afar, and does not talk to her at all. Twins seemingly ignore her entirely. Narrative seems to want nothing with her, no matter how much stuff going on (goddess, knows enough about Servant system to hack it, strange bio-mechanical elements). Negative chances for her.
 
Stahor said:
Speculation: who, if any, will be new Servant in Chaldea. Clearly, it's not free David we got for some reason.
1. Drake: one of the strongest Riders in the game, and has plenty of narrative investment. Also pretty ironic to have on tap in London, and to some extent, in USA. Chaldea also does not have Rider at all. However, she is pretty tied to naval theme, and i doubt her NP can be played strait as ghost guns appearing behind her. So i would not expect her.
2. Asterius. Chaldea also has no Berserker, and he also has decent narrative investment. However, character-wise he pretty tied to Euriale, and she clearly has no interest in Chaldea, and also no need of 3rd Archer.
3. Medea. Absolute mood kindred to Taylor, and my personal favorite here. Also voiced investment with working with Taylor. But she pretty much copies El Melloy narrative niche as low-combat, high-utility "scientist" (exposition girl) so, sadly, i doubt we get her.
4. Honorable mention: Heracles. Greatest hero as perceived by west. While awesome to get, he either absurdly OP, or non-character beatstick, therefore has no chance to be here.
5. Honorable mention: Caenis. We have precedent of summoning Heroic Spirit who was an antagonist previously. She shown enough interest in Aife to come to Chaldea. But given potential of Team A, i doubt we see her any time soon.
6. Hektor. Very interesting character, with enough spotlight on him. Lancer that is not win-button as Aife, so he can be used more freely. IMHO most likely to be taken.
7. Orion (Artemis). For some reason, Taylor content to watch her from afar, and does not talk to her at all. Twins seemingly ignore her entirely. Narrative seems to want nothing with her, no matter how much stuff going on (goddess, knows enough about Servant system to hack it, strange bio-mechanical elements). Negative chances for her.
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Honorable mentions for the other pirates. I mean we might not get Drake, but her number 1 fanboy is on good terms with Chaldea, or it would be funny if Blackbeard answered the call. "Yeah honestly, I was just playing up the 'degenerate pirate' angle because holy shit did you see everybody I was having to deal with! I'm a good pirate, but I'm not gonna square up with the Argonauts fairly, or Davy Jones at all. They aint gonna be frightened by a bit of fuse burnin on my face, but they'd underestimate a complete joke of a Servant."
 
Sir_Travelsalot said:
Surely what Servant Khepri would be is a Foreigner Class, since all of her powers come from Queen Administrator, which definitely meets the qualifications for an entity from another dimension with thought processes entirely alien to that of humans.
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1. Completely forgot about Foreigners, as 99% of my knowledge of the Nasuverse comes from Fate/Stay Night, FSN fanfics, and very popular/good FGO fanfics.

2. Yeah, Kephri would pretty much be the perfect Grand Foreigner, which is disappointing, as Kephri's Master power being inversely proportional to her sanity is very on brand. Unless, Foreigners can have Madness Enchantment? I don't think so though. Then again, I don't know the particulars of Foreigners.
 
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Honorable mentions for the other pirates. I mean we might not get Drake, but her number 1 fanboy is on good terms with Chaldea, or it would be funny if Blackbeard answered the call.
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pretty much this
for all the shit he gets his and Taylor's fighting styles are honestly very similar- victory is the only thing that matters. do whatever it takes to get there
in practice Teach is probably a biiiiit too silly to be a good match, but the possibility exists.

between the two though i'd see Bellamy signing on as more likely. hints have been heavy on him joining up, since even if he can't get the Grail signing on with Chaldea would give him what he wants anyway.

other than that, well there's Morgan, Atalante, and Hippolyta, but there's no real connection there. the closest would be Atalante, but the most she's done is fight them once and fight alongside them once. much better odds with Hector or Drake

...I would honestly find it exceptionally funny if Anne and Mary answered the call. I find it highly doubtful, but the thought entertains me
 
JadeDemilich said:
pretty much this
for all the shit he gets his and Taylor's fighting styles are honestly very similar- victory is the only thing that matters. do whatever it takes to get there
in practice Teach is probably a biiiiit too silly to be a good match, but the possibility exists.

between the two though i'd see Bellamy signing on as more likely. hints have been heavy on him joining up, since even if he can't get the Grail signing on with Chaldea would give him what he wants anyway.

other than that, well there's Morgan, Atalante, and Hippolyta, but there's no real connection there. the closest would be Atalante, but the most she's done is fight them once and fight alongside them once. much better odds with Hector or Drake

...I would honestly find it exceptionally funny if Anne and Mary answered the call. I find it highly doubtful, but the thought entertains me
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I figure Nero catalyst summon next. Until they can trust Jalter theres no point summoning Servants that won't be used.

Barring that, Asterios the big floof.
 
Notspecialdude said:
Because that shit I just mention, No goddess of love made her do that.
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I don't think you grasp or appreciate just how terrifying Aphrodite's "blessing" can be. It was an absolute, leaving no room for anything else until it twisted at his betrayal of her. Also of note is that Hera is involved in some versions, since infidelity was involved and she is... rather vengeful.

So, no, I don't just write it all down to "Medea earned it all herself". The Greek gods treat everyone below them as playthings, and she's just another broken and discarded toy to them.
 
Mind, Medea was still in good enough favor godly wise to borrow Helios' car for her getaway. They did nor disapprove of her actions, and Hera certainly was 100% behind her for this.
 
veekie said:
Mind, Medea was still in good enough favor godly wise to borrow Helios' car for her getaway. They did nor disapprove of her actions, and Hera certainly was 100% behind her for this.
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Being fair here, for being the Witch of Betrayal, Medea wasn't the one who went against her oath to the gods, Jason did that himself going against his patron deity's whole Authority. And as far as I can tell when it happened Medea still felt some love for him so Aphrodite didn't have a reason to get mad.
 
You have to know, Medea didn't kill her children in the original myths. It's a later invention by Euripides who was a bitch thirsty for drama and tragedy.

In the original, her children were killed by a mob of Corinthians who protested the presence "a barbarian and her half-mongrel children". It's when Jason didn't punish them and revealed his plans to remarry that she went absolutely batshit and killed his fiancee and her father, before fleeing.

Another addition of Euripides is that the gods implicitly approve of her revenge, by not punishing her at all and even getting her a getaway chariot.

Oh, and also, in the older versions, one of her sons survived and became a king on another island.

Needless to say, a lot of people didn't like the edgier take just as a lot of people don't like them now.


edit: alright, that's a bit of a straw take. I have to explain the context properly, I guess.

First, the play was obviously not played in Corinth, it's the setting of the story. It was played in Athens, which at the time had a 'curious' practice that foreign spouses weren't allowed citizenship, and their children's status was also often in question. People being people, took it as a free card to marry abroad, then dump their children and spouses and marry once again inside the city with someone more advantageous.

Euripides was a vocal opponent of the practice, which is one of the reasons for why he remade the myth into his version. The other, of course, is that the dude loved his tragedies.

In the drama itself, Medea struggles with her decision to murder her children on a purely emotional basis, because obviously despite going insane with grief and rage killing your own children to punish their father is pretty bad, but the outside context is that
1) Jason justified his decision to remarry by 'securing' a Greek wife for his children, solidifying their status, and allowing Medea to live in the lap of luxury as the mistress on the side
That's after Medea did a lot of despicable shit, including killing her own family, to help Jason in his quest, so let's be fair, he was a dumbass who should by all means have known what was going to happen, if not the proportions of the clusterfuck
2) With Medea a criminal and no Greek wife to provide a fig of legitimacy, in Athens her children would be stripped of legal protection and sold into slavery.
So it's a mercy killing of sorts, to spare them from that fate
Which is obviously as dumb as what Jason did, but again, it's a Greek tragedy with an Aesop of "Don't dump your foreign wife, she will make your life hell"
 
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I feel that I should point out that the stories told and remembered are at least as, if not more, important to a Heroic Spirit/Servant than the reality. It's why you end up with Innocent Monsters and other things that the heroes simply didn't have in life.
 
Daemonflayer said:
I feel that I should point out that the stories told and remembered are at least as, if not more, important to a Heroic Spirit/Servant than the reality. It's why you end up with Innocent Monsters and other things that the heroes simply didn't have in life.
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Very sadly true, also why Heroic Spirits usually act the same when originally summoned different times, they're essentially pulled from their story at the point in their lives that fits the container.
 
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