Nah, Nanomachines Son! They do things in response to Magical Energy! Don't fuck with this Terraformer!
Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]
- Thread starter James D. Fawkes
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Totally-not-Artemis-Apollo: Grain—wait, wrong timeline. Uhhh, Mana!
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
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And if any proof is needed take a look at the newest event; proof that Heracles does indeed take after his old man, and that jokes are the deepest lore.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot10w6MxIbY&ab_channel=PlushieMistress
That is an unfathomably cursed lineup right there.
That... that is not what Nasu was dreaming of when he made Carnival Phantasm right?
Right?
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
To be more serious, this outright ignores that the Greeks imported a good half of their deities from tribes and nations in India, Iran and Levant.
It's probably obvious, what with Atlantis being real, alien invasions, magic, gods, demigods, faeries, dragons and Amaterasu for some reason being depicted as a descendent form of calamity, but I think the Nasuverse history follows the same broad strokes as ours only by coincidence.
Meta reasons aside, I think in-universe we can only see one branch of Proper Human History that closely resembles our own, with a fuckton of them having been pruned beforehand, and other viable ones that we can't normally access or view due to all the butterflies the existence of all this thisness introduced without destroying or stagnating humanity. Maybe the Servant Universe is one such timeline, which doesn't resemble ours, yet was still accepted as viable by whatever mechanism governing the selection.
It's probably obvious, what with Atlantis being real, alien invasions, magic, gods, demigods, faeries, dragons and Amaterasu for some reason being depicted as a descendent form of calamity, but I think the Nasuverse history follows the same broad strokes as ours only by coincidence.
Meta reasons aside, I think in-universe we can only see one branch of Proper Human History that closely resembles our own, with a fuckton of them having been pruned beforehand, and other viable ones that we can't normally access or view due to all the butterflies the existence of all this thisness introduced without destroying or stagnating humanity. Maybe the Servant Universe is one such timeline, which doesn't resemble ours, yet was still accepted as viable by whatever mechanism governing the selection.
MWKillKenny84
Lurking from the Trauma Switch.
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- Vado Ligure
Remember, Jokes are the Deepest Lore when it came to the Nasuverse.
Example? The 'Olympics' part of Grand Carnival (the final Cavalry Battle that finally forced Artoria to participate to the chaos) clearly showed Nero self-summoning back in the fray (she got ousted during the swimming competition because her Summer self is a 3 Star Rarity, while the minimum rarity requirement was 4), straight out confirming the "Nero can be a Beast/is a Beast Candidate" headcanon of the fans.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
I'd have been more surprised if Nero wasn't the Beast.
It's a very popular theory irl that the Book of Revelation directly alludes to Nero as the eponymous Beast and Rome as the Whore of Babylon.
It's a very popular theory irl that the Book of Revelation directly alludes to Nero as the eponymous Beast and Rome as the Whore of Babylon.
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- Devouring a mass of thermonuclear gas
James D. Fawkes
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- Avalon (Isle of Mists)
Including how Aphrodite's war aspects and indeed large swathes of Aphrodite's domain were actually imported from Inanna/Ishtar. Inanna's cult went from Inanna to Ishtar, and as she traveled up from Sumer and Mesopotamia, to Astarte, and eventually, to Aphrodite.
Which is why Space Ishtar had me scratching my head a little. The two versions of Space Ishtar are supposed to be the halves of a primordial goddess that FGO calls Astarte, and that's...actually the opposite of how the original goddess developed across cultures. I was actually a little confused about her being called Ishtar in Babylonia, too, because if its supposed to be taking place during the height of her worship, everyone should've probably been calling her Inanna.
It's weird. Gilgamesh, I understand. We've been calling him by his Akkadian name since his introduction as a character, and it would just confuse people more if it was changed to the Sumerian Bilgames, not to mention the unfortunate memes that would spring into existence if it was. But Ishtar? Maybe it's just because Inanna sounds softer than the harsher, stronger sounding Ishtar. Or maybe Inanna didn't sound foreign enough to a Japanese ear. Or maybe TM went full Akkadian because the surviving version of The Epic of Gilgamesh is mostly the Akkadian version.
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Or maybe FGO is like someone grabbed a bunch of mythical names, dumped them into a bucket, poured in fanservice, and shook vigorously.
Stahor
BookWorm
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- Russia, Moscow
Ishtar is mostly Rin, while Aphrodite gives major Balalaika vibes in her mannerism ques (at least in Galatea event)
Finagle007
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Ishtar actually mentioned that during her race event. "Ishtar" is her degraded state as a Divine Spirit, having been weakened due to the loss of Gugalanna among other things, and "Inanna" is her original self as a Living God with her full Authority as Queen of Heaven. By using the race to re-create Gugalanna, she intended to become Inanna again.
Ishtar said:
James D. Fawkes
Court Scribe
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- Avalon (Isle of Mists)
...God, there's too much lore in FGO. Keeping track of it all for all 200+ Servants is a friggin' nightmare.
MWKillKenny84
Lurking from the Trauma Switch.
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- Vado Ligure
You need to take track also of some of the side materials, including Strange Fake.
Whose events have more-or-less been declared Soft Canon by the game: Rinshtar does not have Gulaganna because her Strange Fake self nabbed it for her own purposes, and My Room conversations between Cursed Arm Hassan and Hundred Faces Hassan has the 'earlier' Hassan flat out ask why Hundred Faces had been chosen by the Elders as Hassan-i Sabbah when someone superior in every other category was present aka Zealot/No-Name Assassin, 'politely' ignoring the political (read: the Elders were scared the shit out of themselves by Zealot).
As an aside, I feel like coming up with different cuisines/meals for Emiya to cook (and then describing them) is one of the hardest part in writing this fic, isn't it?
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To be fair to Space Ishtar : The Primordial Goddess had her ass kicked so hard she split into Good and Evil halves.
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James D. Fawkes
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I was talking more about how the primordial goddess is, for some reason, called Astarte, which is a name derived from Ishtar, not the origin of it. It has me scratching my head that the younger form of the name is used as the origin for the older, original goddess.
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That's fair, but also technically Ishtar and Astarte come from different universes with different histories. There could be a lot of reasons why Astarte is named that way. We don't know any of them, but still.
Changing the subject : Will there be the GUDAGUDA events? And if so how scary Taylor would be in those events?
Axel
Tenno Wax
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- Italy
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If I recall correctly a piece of the tower of Babel is part of the mystic code we wear in Babylon that allows us to understand what people say, critically important as we saw in France.
It is probably that that is translating their names too in the most known name as it is basically how the nasuverse works
Isiri Pudireach
Predictive text can go duck itself
Heh. Bilgames. Like if Microsoft specialized in games.
James D. Fawkes
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- Avalon (Isle of Mists)
Like I said. Unfortunate memes.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
Don't know how to reconcile Astarte, but Aphrodite…
The timing is a bit wonky, but how about this: Mecha Aphrodite degrades into a Divine Spirit, hears about that awesome goddess Ishtar in Mesopotamia and decides to adopt her identity with some tweaks in Greece.
Same with Apollo. Same with Artemis.
Basically, when Olympians degraded enough, they committed copyright infringement by stealing ideas from older pantheons and demanded worship from Hellenic people, while cosplaying as these new, totally cool and original gods don't look at the trademark I said don't look.
The timing is a bit wonky, but how about this: Mecha Aphrodite degrades into a Divine Spirit, hears about that awesome goddess Ishtar in Mesopotamia and decides to adopt her identity with some tweaks in Greece.
Same with Apollo. Same with Artemis.
Basically, when Olympians degraded enough, they committed copyright infringement by stealing ideas from older pantheons and demanded worship from Hellenic people, while cosplaying as these new, totally cool and original gods don't look at the trademark I said don't look.
Nitramy
Love! Snow! Really Magic
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- Home of Our Lady of Peace and Good Voyage
Taylor: I will be in my room for the next ten days. Rika, you have operational control over this mission.
(And then this would lead to an even funnier gag where, because Taylor leaves the batshit bugfuck insane events to Ritsuka and Rika, the two of them stage a mini-revolt and have Taylor handle the annual Halloween events.)
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Err no, the primordial Goddess was the one that split herself after "loosing" against the servants. Nobody knows why she divided herself ( and Tokiomi is the one that says that she divided in a good and an evil goddesses, we just assume he was right ).
But as James said, she called herself Astarte, while Ishtar is the oldest of the names, at least on this Earth.
presumably it's cause when she sleeps they're not gonna be under control to my knowledge, like, generally they'll still follow the last given command if she's knocked unconscious, but if no command is given, they're probably just gonna go into auto mode, which is usually to imitate noncontrolled behavior, and in that case the bugs are just gonna get everywhere cause there's no big box to hide them in
well, without taylor in chaldea, they now have giant rampaging crabs to deal with, when taylor comes back at the end of the singularity she can bring some and control them, and then maybe keep them in some room, but for now, without taylor they'd just be a danger to everyone in chaldea.
actually, the greek gods being spaceships came as a surprise to most greek heroes as well as several of the gods, who came after. like euryale, stheno and medusa were goddesses born of the land, who joined the pantheon by virtue of where they lived for example, Dionysis probably also didn't know, having only joined later on, by 14k years ago when velber broke the ship forms they just perma shifted to divine spirit form, and that was all anyone saw from then on, it was not at all well known knowledge to most greek heroes, i am unsure if Chiron knew, that's the extent of it.
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