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Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

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Ender
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Curse you.
Hero of a timeline where an alien hive mind attacked earth. Ender was the man who ultimately brought the fight to, and then eradicated, the Bugger threat.
STR: E
END: C
AGL: E
MP: B
LUK: EX
NP: EX

Skills
Alien Tactics: The tactics of a man with such skill, that when watching a recording he saw his own actions as alien.
Speaker for the Dead: Ender's ability to look past his history to see the perspective of those who have passed, whether they be man, woman, child, or even an Alien.
Innocent Monster EX: Ender has the curious situation that he did not know he was destroying countless lives. All he knew was that there was a larger crowd than normal watching the simulation that day. When he later wrote his works as The Speaker for the Dead he did not know what would happen to his legend. He dislikes what happened to his sister's nickname for him, but he does not regret tarnishing the glory of his achievement.

Noble Phantasms
The Words that Ended a Species: Aim for the World
Works to Turn my Actions Into Tragedy: The Hive Queen and The Hegemon
 
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I am only posting so I'm allowed to edit my account details. The reason I haven't done this sooner is that I made this account in 2018, and proceeded to forget that it existed until two days ago.
 
Finagle007 said:
That's intentional. Read the books.
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Orson Scott Card didn't know (at the time) it was British slang for sodmy when he wrote the first couple books. He changed it to "formics" after the first two books and made "buggers" a derisive name for them similar to calling the Germans "Jerries" in WWII, or the Viet Cong "Charlie" in Vietnam. Yet the term "Formians" or "Formics" didn't appear in Ender's Game or Speaker for the Dead.
 
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SanguisAnima said:
Umm...

Is this spelling intentional? Just asking.
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Orson didn't know what it meant in slang, and as Slick has said, he retconned it to Formics later. Bugger however, is simply what my brain defaults to because I listened to the first Audiobook on loop during middle school. It's a very good series, but like all Orson Scott Card series it goes a bit off the rails down the line.
 
Phaeton said:
That's a hell of an understatement.

It'd be like saying Taylor did a little bit of tomfoolery on Alexandria's respiratory system.
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I mean... well... Yeah, he had no excuse when he started Ender's Shadow with Anton's Key, and SftD with The Virus...And Gate Father is no better, what with beating [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] through the power of, as Naruto fics put it, "Talk no Jutsu".
 
So it's unanimous, everyone knows exactly what to use as a catalyst for the certain man who lived in Russia long ago when he arrives in two years. All in favour say aye.

Aye.
 
Finagle007 said:
So it's unanimous, everyone knows exactly what to use as a catalyst for the certain man who lived in Russia long ago when he arrives in two years. All in favour say aye.

Aye.
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I'm not even going to bother with him. Even if I saw his eventual release coming a mile away, I don't care enough about having him to roll for him. I have NP5 Spishtar, NP2 Summer Musashi, NP3 Muramasa, NP5 Summer Melt... I'm good. I'm set for most content left in the game. I really wanted NP5 Muramasa, but he's already taken 1500+ SQ between the free stuff I had and packs, and I still have Super Orion and Taira on my January list, so that doesn't look like it's happening. Myst stole all my luck. NP3 Muramasa in less than 500 SQ? Damn, son. I'm more jelly than jell-o.

If we do, as some people are guessing, get Olga as a summonable Servant, well, that might be a different story.

Reminder, this weekend is a double feature. One chapter on Saturday, one chapter on Sunday. Mark your calendars.

I hope you all had happy holidays and a good New Year's.
 
Finagle007 said:
Yeah, if she does become summonable I'm gonna save every last quartz and ticket I earn for her. Of course, if I do somehow nab the fake priest, he's getting permanently assigned to Chen Gong.
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There is also the route I went with Columbus when I pulled him trying to get an extra couple copies of Asclepius and Salieri, where you just shove him in the second archive and forget about him.
 
TheHappyDwagon said:
There is also the route I went with Columbus when I pulled him trying to get an extra couple copies of Asclepius and Salieri, where you just shove him in the second archive and forget about him.
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Ah, but Kirei has that wonderful non-consumable Guts that lasts for 3 whole turns, plus the stackable 1-time Guts that goes with it. Kirei makes even better ammo than his fellow disciple Douman!
 
i have something of a general question

was poking around on the wiki and realized something about Asterios
He has A++ in Strength
He has Natural Demon, which gives him strength 'absolutely impossible for a human body'
he has Monstrous Strength, which temporarily boosts his strength in combat
AND he has Mad Enhancement B, which again boosts his strength

SO
as someone who is not incredibly well-tuned to exactly how these mechanics work, how does this actually play out?
are all of these factored into the given parameter already? do they overlap?
Is Asterios just actually that much stronger?
does he only get that strength boost in combat?
what is the deal here?


and if the author doesn't mind sharing (or has no stake in the conversation) how would you play this within the context of this story? is he like Caligula in this sense or would you play him differently?
 
It's somewhere between: he's always that strong, and, he gets stronger sometimes. Those pluses, they don't denote him always being 4x stonger than A-rank Strength(which is about 50 times average/peak human) those pluses mean that sometimes he'll get stronger, but it doesn't happen all the time, a minus would represent that his strength wouldn't be reliable and could just drop sometimes.

At least, if you're operating under the assumption that the Rank in a Stat actually represents how much stronger, better, faster, harder, etc a Servant is, which can be questionable at times. I'm of the opinion that what it actually represents is how important that Stat and what it represents is for the Legend that the Servant is drawing from, a higher Stat will usually mean that a Servant will win in a contest of that Stat, but may not actually mean they're stronger or faster, just that their Legend says they are. This usually means that while you can get an idea of how strong, fast, etc a Servant is by looking at their Stats, you won't ever get any hard numbers, and it can be highly dependent on interaction with their opponent to really have an idea. Any Servant could put up a fight against any Servant, but if the Stats are too imbalanced it won't be much of one, and will be over quickly. Relatively balanced Stats could fight for hours and get no closer to either winning, however if one has higher Stats but only about a rank higher on average, the fight will take a few minutes but all other things being equal, the one with the higher Stats will win, they just have to do so first.

Monstrous Strength in particular will ramp up over time, Innocent Demon will pretty much be constantly active, and so will Mad Enhancement usually, though if the Master is smart they could try to shut it off to conserve energy.
 
Finagle007 said:
Ah, but Kirei has that wonderful non-consumable Guts that lasts for 3 whole turns, plus the stackable 1-time Guts that goes with it. Kirei makes even better ammo than his fellow disciple Douman!
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The ironic thing is Kirei would probably enjoy it. Man is twisted to his core and Pain makes him happy regardless of source (supposedly) or target. There is a reason he likes his mapo tofu hellish.
 
Barghest Blue said:
Those pluses, they don't denote him always being 4x stonger than A-rank Strength(which is about 50 times average/peak human)
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A rank is not 50 times peak human, from what i remember Nasu was just saying that as hypotheticals.

For example, Asterios was capable of lifting the Golden Hind(A quick google search says that it weights 100-150 tons), Martha(Summer) can stop a train in it's tracks, Gawain can lift a giant stone boulder several times his size in every dimension, etc...

And that is without including agility, Saber going mach 12 doesn't appear to be 50 times peak human, or endurance, everytime that they tank anything impressive, many times those things being above 50 times peak human.

So the capabilities of a Nasuverse peak human are higher than a real life peak human(possible, but Mata Hari or Ardensen aren't defeating human Kirei in a fist fight) or stats are not x times peak human, it may have been valid when it was just Fate/Stay Night, but remember that power creep has hit the Nasuverse with FGO and Tsukihime Remake.

Stats are memes for a reason.
 
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synnero said:
The ironic thing is Kirei would probably enjoy it. Man is twisted to his core and Pain makes him happy regardless of source (supposedly) or target. There is a reason he likes his mapo tofu hellish.
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Kirei's Origin is "Open Wounds." That is to say, "to open wounds," not the adjectival "open wounds." It means his very existence encourages him to harm others in numerous and myriad ways. Ironically, even though I absolutely hated the way Artoria got treated at the end of it, that story with Lupin III as a Servant in HGW4 exemplifies that he can, if someone pointed him that direction, use it for good. However, canon shows us that, unhindered by morality, it can also be very, very bad for random bystanders and innocents.
rafuki22 said:
A rank is not 50 times peak human, from what i remember Nasu was just saying that as hypotheticals.

For example, Asterios was capable of lifting the Golden Hind(A quick google search says that it weights 100-150 tons), Martha(Summer) can stop a train in it's tracks, Gawain can lift a giant stone boulder several times his size in every dimension, etc...

And that is without including agility, Saber going mach 12 doesn't appear to be 50 times peak human, or endurance, everytime that they tank anything impressive, many times those things being above 50 times peak human.

So the capabilities of a Nasuverse peak human are higher than a real life peak human(possible) or stats are not x times peak human, it may have been valid when it was just Fate/Stay Night, but remember that power creep has hit the Nasuverse with FGO and Tsukihime Remake.

Stats are memes for a reason.
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Stats are mostly there to make the Servants look impressive. Even if Nasu gives them hypothetical numbers, those numbers aren't hard numbers and they don't really mean anything. What we can do is assign some of the feats to specific levels of a given stat, as you did in your example. Herk's A+ STR is another good example of the sort of thing we have good measures for, because FSN Herk can toss you around without actually landing a direct hit, his strength is that incredible.

Also, that stat isn't Endurance. Not like how you're thinking. It's Constitution. In other words, it's more like a HP stat than anything else. It covers a few other things, of course, but that's the main feature. I'd have to look at the kanji, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's literally just "body" + "power."

EDIT: Checked. "Endurance" isn't an incorrect translation, but the way it tends to get used in the fandom implies physical durability rather than something more like stamina.
 
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James D. Fawkes said:
Also, that stat isn't Endurance. Not like how you're thinking. It's Constitution. In other words, it's more like a HP stat than anything else. It covers a few other things, of course, but that's the main feature. I'd have to look at the kanji, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's literally just "body" + "power."
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I know that the stat isn't actually endurance, but that's it's name, one of them atleast.
From the wiki.
Endurance (耐久, Taikyū?): How much damage one can withstand.
 
James D. Fawkes said:
Kirei's Origin is "Open Wounds." That is to say, "to open wounds," not the adjectival "open wounds." It means his very existence encourages him to harm others in numerous and myriad ways. Ironically, even though I absolutely hated the way Artoria got treated at the end of it, that story with Lupin III as a Servant in HGW4 exemplifies that he can, if someone pointed him that direction, use it for good. However, canon shows us that, unhindered by morality, it can also be very, very bad for random bystanders and innocents.
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I think there was also that KHR/Fate Zero fic where EMIYA converts Kirei into the act of "fixing other people by traumatizing them" as opposed to following Gilgamesh's hedonist ways.
 
I mean we have too a canon view if him being happy as a simple ramen shop owner
He seems quite happy like that even with the world ending he was content
 
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