Not to mention that when rapidly switching position it would be probably exceedingly draining for a normal magus let alone someone with as few circuits as Taylor herself
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As mentioned the multitasking is insane.* She's individually controlling every single animal. Not on a general "swarm" level, but on a micro level. Including their senses. A real world example is a normal RTS player versus a professional, but even farther. Taylor's not setting waypoints and commanding groups. She's individually controlling every single unit at the same time, but there is no cap outside of range!
That "no cap" part alone is insane, and made DaVinci almost call "bullshit."
* As "Hybrid Hive: Eat Shard?" pointed out
That's another part. Detecting mana is a thing. People who know what they're doing can probably detect possessed creatures. Meanwhile, Taylor has no mana signature from doing this, never gets tired, and her control is undetectable outside of how the creatures act.
Magecraft does not work that way.
The best guess for an analog for normal fate stuff would be a Phychic which are in fact things that exist but somewhat rare if I remember correctly
psychics are phenomenon in fate where abnormal magic circuits give some manner of ability i'm fairly sure, the most known of these being mystic eyes, but others do exist.
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Was Moses a thing in Type-Moon-verse?
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I'd agree with the idea you could call Taylor's Parahuman status to be similar to AoG Magi, in that they're bestowed a portion of a God's Authority. Though rather then Authority it's something else, or a variation of which presented in the Olympian Lostbelt. I'd attempt to classify Shards as providing artificial Psychic Channels, or otherwise introduce some higher order Mystery to Humanity. Even if it's the Shard equivalent of technology, hewn, replicated, and stabilized, from Mystery to be apart of their very morphology.
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In Fate lore, Moses split the red sea with a beyblade.
well, martha someone who personally met jesus is canon, and noah as well. so given christianity happened in fate, odds are moses did as well
i'd say more that it's at the level that it'd take age of god magic to accomplish a similar feat, but the actual power explanation in fate is very much a case of Occam's razor, what is effectively an alien god, an 'outer god' so to say in fate terms, bestowed power to her, while it's kinda comparable to age of gods magic, to say it is anything other than an entity from beyond bestowing her power is not really accurate. All this is more ideas of how taylor could explain her power without revealing she met effectively crystal Cthulhu. her power is very much working on the same rules as it did in worm, applied to fate that'd make her more of a foreigner of a similar type to abigail, a 'priest' of an outer god so to say. Because it still works on worm rules, it doesn't suddenly use mystery of any kind or use artificial psychic channels i don't think. honestly, if anything entities are like humanity but taken to the extreme, in fate, where mystery fades and the laws of physics take over, but applied to effectively eldritch gods.
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So Plagues of Egypt NP is a possibility?
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Some important info. We haven't actually seen any foreigners so far. However, we know in Fate that the Magus Association has no problem with human experimentation on unwilling subjects. Even her abilities alone might be enough for her to earn the "Attention" of the Clocktower. Saying she has any sort of prior contact with an 'outer god' would do it no questions asked.
There's plenty of examples of people with cool abilities out there. However, almost all of them have enough power that the Clocktower's assassination and kidnapping attempts are a Tuesday to them.
It's a common theme in many "magical society" works of fiction. FSN and Harry Potter being two of the largest ones. The complete disregard for anyone non-magical, and in some cases magical, would actually result in the society being destroyed if they were discovered. Not because "magic", but because the organizations that run that society are terrible.
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Agreed, I've used the explanation of a psychic phenomena to more or less "hide" the Shard. By just flatly obscuring the Shard as an individual entity, and more akin to a "Source" behind the power Taylor expresses. Though I do disagree with the notion that Shards, or the powers granted by them, aren't subject to things like Mystery. As there's a couple examples in Type-Moon of foreign things, be they biological aliens, or machines belonging to the stars, operating with Mystery.
As Mystery, partly within the context of the Human Order, is representative of things not incorporated and entirely woven in, under "Physics" as technology. So even if to a Shard it's understood, and entirely natural, that doesn't extend to Humanity's interaction with it. Ergo there's still Mystery involved, but in Taylor's case the Mystery isn't in the [Insects], the broad societal category the Shard uses, and more the mechanism of that connection at all.
Though even outside the Human Order, and by extension whatever "Cosmos" the Entities originated from, Mystery would be ever-present. Where the Space-Whales are in themselves a type of Mystery, interfacing with another "Cosmos" of an Alien World, or they're the ones deciphering and comprehending it. I'd argue it would be strange they'd be utterly exempt, and if anything should be aware of Mystery, or have broader, if lacking in creative depth, understanding of Setting metaphysics.
Regardless, it is a fair bit out from Taylor's scope in Chaldea, barring an "Event" that deals with the Entity side of things. As their mechanisms, dimensional or otherwise, and reshaping of Earth's cosmology to form discreet "Branches", like Bet and Aleph, are falling apart Post-GM. So there's definitely material present to cause a Singularity, a Non-Goetia brand, if it ever comes up.
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He does, but he's only appeared in Fate/Prototype during Ozymandias' Flashbacks.
It'd be constrained within what should happen in Ward(?) and FGO doesn't introduce Foreigners until after Salem, so any likely Singularity would likely be in the EoR or straight up during the Lostbelts for it to make narrative sense, both Post-GM and Human Order Incineration timewise.
It'd have to have a chuuni af name for it to count though.
I thus propose:
Shard-infested City: Gimel
The World after Extinction.
Potentially post Ward. I just looked up the timeline and Ward's climax ends on Nov 30th 2015.
How in the everloving fuck did Chaldea miss Earth, all the Earths, getting almost eaten? You'd think the Kronos titan wandering around and fighting God only knows what would make the news. Or at least him chilling around for a few months prior.
well, chaldea doesn't really deal with alternate world events unless something drags them over somehow, like with shimousa. it happening in the past doesn't really mean much when it was a past, in an alternate timeline. they don't appear every time a timeline is about to be destroyed. besides, when eden went coma, the odds of the 'every earth destroyed at the end of the cycle' thing happening went down drastically, when scion rampaged he also only ever fucked up earths, never really destroyed them. at least, i'm assuming that's what you're referring to and not like, the ward climax. as for kronos... well honestly that's a matter for the author, they could explain it via like gaia or something preventing it in fate. or that the events of ward went differently or something, the only thing that's really needed to be adhered to is that it went basically the same up to worms ending, contessa did choose a different path this time, that could change things.
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Yes Chaldea doesn't, but the Events of Ward do. Every Earth means every Earth. If Contessa could reach Chaldea's Earth to drop Taylor off you better believe the Shards can too. And while they might have had pretty much no parahumans to draw Shard attention during the End of the World 2 Titan Boogaloo the Kronos Titan was notable for being A, tall as a mountain and B, present in every Earth simultaneously.
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No. Entities cut off some portion of parallel universes, because they more trouble than they worth. Conveniently, that barrier was disabled after Zion's death. Only question here, if Kronos propagated beyond those set limits.
Yes. Every. First his set limits would've become meaningless as he had a broken second trigger, the rules weren't being followed anymore, and secondly if Contessa could access Earth FGO then Kronos certainly could too.
The MA probably shit a Great Wall of China in bricks when a literal heaven piercing crystal false grecian god-thing popped up out of the blue in New England like "What's up bitches!" and then proceeded to do nothing. I have no idea how they would've even covered that up, but they manage to cover up wandering carnivorous forests that regularly eat entire cities so clearly they have a god-tier PR apparatus that could sell Elon Musk a trashy old used Toyota Corolla with a blown engine and stripped transmission and leave him feeling like he just scored a new Lambo.
alternatively ward went differently this time, it's not that unlikely considering contessa picked a different route with taylor, she could've done so with other things, ending up with no kronos. or equally as likely, the earth of chaldea is just using a different calender that is like a few years ahead. taylor has been with chaldea for only a few years, wards climax would happen around now then, given gold morning was 2013 in bet and it's been 2 years since that happen in the story, but due to the whole humanity burning up situation it's not gonna do much i imagine for chaldeas earth. also, just cause contessa can get to chaldea, doesn't exactly mean gaia would allow what is effectively an interdimensional god on her planet, it's a matter of scale there, i can see gaia prevent kronos from manifesting and allow contessa to show up.
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Wasn't it mentioned at some point in story Scion had appeared on Earth Chaldea so they are linked. Beyond that though would that have happened yet as I understand it fgo part 1 is during 2015 an struggling to reach 2016. Vista is like 12 or 13 in 2011 and turns 18 in the ward epilogue set a few months after the end of the main story which places that in 2016 or 2017.
It should also be considered Contessa is the one who dumped her there. There are ways of blocking off worlds when Teacher pulled his sudden and inevitable betrayal during gm for example he used some of the supplies he stole from the fight scion effort and his pets to make devices that could shut do so and I believe in canon Aleph was made to be shut off from the others. The one epilogue that shows a depowered Taylor has her on Aleph so it could be attributed to Contessa and thus transfer that separation to Earth Chaldea.
The World didn't exactly stop the Entities from encroaching at any point prior, and given that their up until recently very successful modus operandi is eating planets like a pair of Galactus intestinal worms I don't think it could. By the time the World clued in that there's a snake trying to eat it it's already too late, the snake has begun constricting. Force won't win the day, the Shards are stronger than mankind, and they operate in worlds outside of man's observation. The Texture of Man might try to save itself, but it would be eaten just like how the White Titan would destroy the surface of the World if it never got Excaliblasted, and then the Earth itself would die because the Earth without humanity has nothing strong enough to throw at the Shards to stop them from exploding the 10⁸⁰+ versions that exist as they spread back out into the stars. I'm not even joking the strongest feat we can attribute to the World is Archetype Earth making a copy of the Moon and dropping it. Just String Theory herself, a Tinker, could do a Moon Drop, and her Shard isn't nearly so restrained. Hell, Vista's Shard could make a planetary defense Excaliblast or Moon Drop miss and keep missing.
As for an alternate series of events happening after GM it is possible. Though the ice breaking is a thing that is inevitable, but I suppose if Contessa decided "Path to my boot so far up Teacher's ass my steel toe plate is tickling his parietal lobe" it would probably take a few more years to happen. Now that I think of it that'd actually be a neat plot point for Part 2 if it ever happens. The Alien God tries bleaching the World and propping up its Lostbelts only for the Shards to go "Fuck off ya crazy bastard, this here was ours first!" and prop up their own pseudo Lostbelt made from their own fragment of human history. I say pseudo Lostbelt because Worm/Ward is technically still part of panhuman history. It's a history on the "Wow, shit's fucked" side of the scale, but not so fucked that it was pruned (not that it even could've been pruned because the planet eating predatory/parasitic worms target every timeline when it's time to dine and dash) because humanity ends up winning and continuing to progress. It'd be a Lostbelt that Chaldea ironically has to defend from the Crypters and Alien God because if the Shards' fragment of Panhuman History comes out on top of the Crypters' rebellion against history Panhuman History would be able to reassert itself because something something magibabble antagonists' actions have no ontological inertia. Except then once history has been saved End of the World 4 Shardnanigans Galore because humanity keeps getting Ret-goned and they're taking their chance to blow this popsicle stand before something else comes along to try to ruin what little of their life cycle they still have left.
No, FGO part 1 happens in 2016-2017, Ward's climax ends on Nov 30th 2015.
do note that earth bet would be in 2015 currently, while fgo is in 2016-17. cause taylors been in fgo for around 2 years and arrived just after gold morning, which took place in 2013. it is almost certainly a case of calenders using different numbers.
also scion hasn't been stated to appear on earth chaldea to my knowledge
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You guys are basing your FGO timeline on the Global version. The JP version starts in 2015.
Do we have confirmation on what year Chaldera is in this story? If so please supply quotes.
You know, it occurs to me that shouldn't the majority of shards want Goetia to succeed?
I mean my knowledge of FGO is mostly limited to fanfics, and Ryuugi!rants on SB, but Goetia's plan is to do a huge time travel shenanigan and erase humanity from existence? Right?
But if humanity never existed, then Warrior&Thinker wouldn't have had a reason to come to earth, which means no crash for the Thinker.
Goetia's success would resurrect both the entities then wouldn't it? There might not have been titans and other shard/Ward stuff, since they were all waiting for Goetia to hit the reset button.
I mean my knowledge of FGO is mostly limited to fanfics, and Ryuugi!rants on SB, but Goetia's plan is to do a huge time travel shenanigan and erase humanity from existence? Right?
But if humanity never existed, then Warrior&Thinker wouldn't have had a reason to come to earth, which means no crash for the Thinker.
Goetia's success would resurrect both the entities then wouldn't it? There might not have been titans and other shard/Ward stuff, since they were all waiting for Goetia to hit the reset button.
i just assumed he had his dates right and worked with that
goetia wants to erase all of humanity... so he can start over with a new humanity that is immortal and cannot die or suffer, essentially the same goal as endgame thanos, he is the beast of pity for a reason, he looks at all of humanity and just feels pity at what could've been, at the fact humanity is limited like that, there's probably more to it, but i don't recall
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