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Taylor's prosthetic is for a right arm, though. And I'm pretty sure it was Boudica's left arm that got hacked off.
Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]
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We've had this discussion already. It's not an issue if Boudica gets Prana from a contract with a Master. She can literally regrow her arm, so long as she wasn't dealt a fatal blow that destabilized her Spirit Origin. All Servants can do this, with Mash being the sole exception as a Demi-Servant.
This all Servant can with time and energy recover from all damage if their Spirit Origin is intact.
Or they haven't been attacked by some cursed, Noble Phastam that stop the regeneration, or something like that.
Yes Mash is a exception because Demi Servant
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Where is this from, because I'm having difficulties remembering where this is mentioned, in any of the series.
Servants do passively regenerate from what I recall, but I've never recalled them recovering from severe damage without at least some form of healing Magecraft involved. Of course however, a Command Seal will help out greatly on this front.
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Stay Night's Fate route if I remember correctly. EMIYA gets an injury incredibly early on that he has to heal from, he never gets to fully heal but he gets healed up enough to a point that he eventually takes out 7 of Heracles' lives. But yeah this has been a part of the lore since the beginning.
You do realize that FGO is a game and not a written story like this fanfic is? Plus, this is also a serial fanfic posted in a forum. So the author is able to get feedback from the readers, as well as reader requests. Both good and bad reader feedback and requests.
For FGO the game, they know that it is a gatcha game (which means they don't know what servants you have) plus, what you are doing is gameplay related and not story related. You are picking characters that is affecting your gameplay.
But this is a story. And people will wonder, what is all these 300+ characters doing. They can't just be sitting around in the background doing nothing. You have a small towns worth of servants and it makes no sense that they are doing absolutely nothing. Not with all of their strong personalities. Within a game, the story writers and management can and will decide on how the story will proceed, even if it doesn't make sense to the story of the game.
And then there are the fans, the people that are asking about what is their favorite character doing? OMG, I love the interaction between this character and this other character, I want to see more! Where is my favorite character, why are you ignoring my favorite character! Why are you making this servant act this way because they will never act this way at all! And this is just a small example of the BS that can get put in by fans with strong emotions.
This is why I brought this up. Because when you have too many characters and you get demands to give each and every single character equal screentime, the story gets bogged down by minutiae and the author is stuck writing down all about these character interactions and not about the story itself. At least for FGO, you have the excuse of the singularities. So each singularity helps to limit the number of characters he needs to write but that also means the chapters that happen outside of Chaldea might end up being just as long as the singularities due to the shear number of servants that have to be written.
But honestly, considering just how much time/story each singularity is taking in written format, I sincerely wonder how long the author can keep writing this story before burning out and giving up. I mean, seriously, 50 chapters based on the threadmark, and we're only into the second singularity. And this is only posted one chapter per week, so this is almost hitting up to a year. And we are still in the second singularity.
At this rate, this will take another 5 years just for the first story arc to complete. At any rate, I'll continue to enjoy the story as it is.
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Let's see... how bad can this go...
Literal best cases I can think of are Achilles, Dioscuri, Heracles, Asclepius, Atalanta, and Odysseus. Let's cross Atalanta, Heracles, Jason, Medea, and whoever else appears in the next singularity or two off the list. From the best cases for Greek heroes we then discount Achilles as filling the same role Aife and Boudica fill, then Dioscuri as too strong for this stage of the singularity except to be Worfed, and Asclepius because he's in a similar boat to Dioscuri. Odysseus is also a better fit for Okeanos, so let's leave him out for later.
Now we get to the lesser cases. Stheno does show up in the singularity on an island, so can't be summoned, Eureal shows up in the next, and while they Could summon Medusa, it isn't likely. Arachne IS however a monster I can see Fawkes pulling as a compatibility summon for Taylor in Greece, so she might be pulled. Doubling down on the useless author front with Homer is something that I can't see happening however.
In the worst case scenarios is where I can see Cleopatra being pulled, finding out they killed Caesar, and trying to kill them. That doesn't seem all that likely though, so we move on to her summoning a worm character like Jack Slash or Armsmaster. This is something that will likely act as a catalyst for her revealing her story, and is thus likely to take place MUCH further down the line. Then the other worst case scenario I can see is summoning someone like Gille de Rais, a Jack the Ripper alt, or Cursery Rhyme.
Nursery Rhyme takes on characteristics associated with her current master and has the ability to access all written works. Even if you disregard the event where she uses the Necronomicon and restrict her to Alice in Wonderland (and why would a Taylor restrict herself like that?) she has access to such delightful monstrosities as The Jabberwocky, The Red King (who is essentially Azathoth), The Nameless Forest, and More!
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That was my point. It's a story here, there's absolutely no reason for these characters to buy the gatcha over and over.
Nothing at all, because the 300+ other servants would never need to be summoned. Taylor and Friends will bring back one or two servants from every singularity, and never summon anyone else to hang out in the background in the first place.
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While Gorgon won't be summoned, ever, could you imagine Taylor dealing with her as her servant?
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I foresee... Pain, self torment, and jealousy. On both sides of the relationship.
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Except that Canonically that has to happen due to the various events most of which must occur for Chaldea to succeed once they get to Solomon. Every Servant is summoned with the pool expanding every so often due to events or Singularities.
The difference between each individual player is that not every Servant agrees to be contracted to Chaldea's Master(s), but they're all summoned regardless of that. So for example say you don't pull Voyager, he's still in your Chaldea he just hasn't agreed to be used beyond working in the base.
But without them being in Chaldea and having various bonds to Ritsuka Chaldea fails. They lose at the literal eleventh hour. Because just as an example without much more of a bond to Servants like Vlad or Gilles (either version) they won't be showing up in the Final Singularity. And they're kind of necessary. But they were dealt with pretty much entirely offhandedly by Taylor or off screen in this story, so the Twins don't have a bond to them and thus they don't have the capability to summon them there.
The cast of this is going to be huge, but most of them don't need to be in the spotlight 99% of the time as frankly most of them aren't going to be contracted to Taylor, they'll be contracted to the Twins as Chaldea's summoning system works only because of their contract with Mash. As it is she's probably going to have to need to lose her contract with Aife if she somehow lives past this Singularity, which is highly unlikely given her character thus far. Even with 3 Grails Chaldea can't afford to have Taylor overusing Prana, and having 3 top tier Servants with an active contract to one person active 24/7 and occasionally in combat isn't going to be feasible going forward. Even Rin would flat out die to that.
Canon Ritsuka gets away with it because they're cheating using Servant Shades and only in battle, and the various Servants in the Singularities were summoned by the Counter Force so outside combat they don't need upkeep.
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I thought that came up earlier, with James basically saying "that's game canon, this is fanfic," or something like that? The point of fanfic is that things are going to go differently.
I would argue that all the Heroic Spirits they meet befriending them enough to show up again for the final battle works just fine if they all get summoned from the Throne instead of from Chaldea's break room. It's not like Chaldea had anything to do with their summoning into that fight anyway.
And I'm going to admit, I've been swayed by Ryuugi on this one. Literally none of them actually matter in the final fight anyway, as long as Solomon himself shows up and does what he needs to before it's too late. Adding Taylor, heck having both twins alive, is already enough to change his actions, add in Olga possibly coming back, literally any one of them could convince him to set things off early instead of needing to go through the absolutely everyone ever team up fight.
Windborne
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Ryuugi is flat out wrong. He's a fantastic writer albeit one who can't finish a story reliably, but on this he's just wrong. The Servants matter, they matter a lot. The final fight doesn't happen at all unless enough Servants are summoned to take out all of the Demon God Pillar Terminals scattered throughout the Temple of Time repeatedly. Goetia is flat out unkillable if even a single Terminal remains because Goetia isn't just a single being, he's every Demon God Pillar, and so long as a single Terminal remains all the others are able to be resurrected infinitely. He only shows up once the Terminals are being pummeled into the ground, and even then the rest of the Pillars in that grouping still have to attacked by the various Servants while Chaldea goes on to attack him. All the Servants are pulling off the "Go on ahead, I'll hold them off here" trope just to give Chaldea the chance to get a victory against Goetia.
That's why nearly all the Events are necessary, because without enough bonds to all the Servants Chaldea meets along the way they can't reach Goetia at the center of the Temple and have him be vulnerable. Even with the Twins and Taylor they can't power enough Servants to take out those Terminals simultaneously. They'd just die from trying to do so. Olga being around doesn't matter, hell even if they used every single staff member to power a Servant it wouldn't be enough. Not to mention I think that the staff are working to make sure the Masters aren't being unwritten from reality. That's a big function of what they do.
Once all those things occur, with the Terminals being repeatedly destroyed and Chaldea not completely drained of life in the process, they still need to confront Goetia and that's when Solomon has to appear. Because even still vulnerable to being destroyed Goetia has Nega-Summon, and is invulnerable to any Heroic Spirit. Solomon gets away with doing what he does because he's got that final ring and it's the real deal, not something summoned with a Heroic Spirit.
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Do you go into every fanfiction thread and demand that the author needs to follow the stations of canon closer? James could achieve the same effect of holding back the Pillars with a handful of real Servants to serve as officers and giving each of them a horde of Shadow Servants to command. Chaldea should be able to afford that with it's 9+ Holy Grails. Or have the Casters all get together and build an unstoppable robot army. Or have Intergalactic Space Cop MHXX swing by and fucking arrest Goetia if he wants. Normally I like to criticize things too, and I'm definitely not happy with every decision James has made here, but the way you respond to pretty much every chapter with this exact same complaint is really pissing me off.
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Also, the Demon God Pillars were less defeated as much as it was a constant battle of attrition the entire time. Up until Ars Nova, they kept reviving. The Servants were really just buying time for Chaldea to figure out how to make the deaths stick, and that was Roman.
Still, the only way Roman had been able to approach Goetia in the first place as a human was because Goetia was so distracted by everything else. That's the important part - that Roman could approach Goetia, otherwise the ten rings couldn't have been gathered. Roman could've transformed into Solomon anytime before that, but didn't because he knew the moment Goetia detected him before the rings were gathered, all was lost because Goetia would take things seriously then.
So individually? Each Servant mattered as much as every parahuman against Scion. There's a neat parallel there - during the Golden Morning, the rest of the parahumans were just chaff and fodder until Taylor figured out the way to kill Scion and make it stick. But if she had been able to figure things out sooner, then a smaller elite group could've done it as opposed to all the parahumans. Same goes for Salomon.
Still, the only way Roman had been able to approach Goetia in the first place as a human was because Goetia was so distracted by everything else. That's the important part - that Roman could approach Goetia, otherwise the ten rings couldn't have been gathered. Roman could've transformed into Solomon anytime before that, but didn't because he knew the moment Goetia detected him before the rings were gathered, all was lost because Goetia would take things seriously then.
So individually? Each Servant mattered as much as every parahuman against Scion. There's a neat parallel there - during the Golden Morning, the rest of the parahumans were just chaff and fodder until Taylor figured out the way to kill Scion and make it stick. But if she had been able to figure things out sooner, then a smaller elite group could've done it as opposed to all the parahumans. Same goes for Salomon.
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That reminds me, for some reason. If we happen to see anything like Servant Khepri again in this story, I think it would be perfect to see it happen in the temple, but also that it would be particularly nice if her Noble Phantasm wasn't the mind control trick, but the actual army. Ionioi Hetairoi style- deploy the entire force she controlled with as much control and skill as she did back then. Would go a very long way towards removing the need for the comparatively few servants that actually joined in the temple?
Yeah I would agree with the others here it doesn't have to go exactly the same as canon as long as the goals are met like does it matter if Gilles and Vlad don't show up (though I would point out vlad is probably compatible to Taylor for summoning and Gilles may just rock up because Jeanne shows up) when you have other servants like Aife, her son and ones like the roman emperors. You also tend to come off as pretty pushy during these things and then shoot yourself in the foot for example at the end of this one you say he has Nega Genesis but that's Tiamat's and he has Nega Summon which distracts from your arguments and hurts your credibility.
The insistence that things have to exactly the same as canon is especially stupid when we have inconsistencies and at least one retcon during part one. It also ignores that while James has so far followed canon in ignoring the grails power to grant wishes when in the hand of the protagonists, if they can't deal with the temple by not following the stations of canon they can just pull out a grail or two and use wishes to compensate.
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No I don't, though your solution of Shadow Servants ironically isn't feasible since Shadow Servants can't perform with the necessary output as the true Servants and can't use Noble Phantasms thus making them utterly useless.
I argue that certain things ought to occur the same because even an out of context problem like Taylor isnt enough to change a multiversal constant which is what the plan Goetia uses during the events of Grand Order is. Taylor being around or not isn't going to change something so fundamental to the core of the Nasuverse. I've got no problems with James adding original characters to the story as long as they can make it matter to the underlying conflict, but that hasn't happened yet. In addition, they've not handled portraying even Canon characters very well. James added Bradamante and Arash in Orleans but neither has made very noticeable impacts to the plot thus far, nor have they been impactful to the characters particularly to Taylor who is our main POV.
I advised sticking to the stations of canon, firstly because it's not Grand Order without those things occurring, it's just a different story that uses some of the setting, and secondly and most importantly because James hasn't handled the various changes they've made thus far very well and sticking to them would ease various problems in writing such an expansive story. If they can't handle the moderate changes used thus far without making mistakes, the later Singularities are going to be a mess. James has the makings of an awesome story, I'm just pointing out potholes in the road ahead.
As for being pushy? I've admitted to this as well, multiple times, but it's done purely because I think this story has potential and I care. If I didn't care I wouldn't spend hours trying to help, I'd just ignore this story and move on. I don't particularly want to do that, it'd be a waste of such a potentially awesome story, and James hand waving things away because they make it inconvenient would be squandering that potential.
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Alright… uh-huh… okay.
Mhmm. Mhmm.
Alright. Read over your post, and really only have one comment.
Since you clearly seem to think you can do better, go write your own goddamn story.
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It doesn't matter if Shadow Servants are weaker than true ones if you're summoning ten times as many to supplement a smaller number of heavy hitters. Ten shadow Heracles would be way the fuck more useful than the non-Gramps Hassans, Jing Ke, Gilles, etc. Only thing ironic here is that you're such an avid follower of a fanfiction story without being able to grasp the basic concept of fanfiction.
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So... fanfiction?