Hell is other angels

I'm thinking some real crossover shenanigans are about to begin. I will say this: let's hope the SI takes things seriously and starts training his ass off. He's going to need to be in peak physical condition if he has any hope of utilizing the Doomslayer's abilities to kick ass and stay alive. He doesn't have Vampire speed, strength, or durability.
 
"Balance demon, My Host. Working for the Powers That Be." Taziel whispered into my ear. "You can trust him to some extent, I have met him before. Whatever they are, they are not known to randomly betray you."
Well she's bullshitting him now.

Whistler looked less than impressed. "Look, kid. Either you talk to me or the slayer gets visions of somebody possessed by a fallen angel. How's things hanging by the way, Taziel?"
There are no Fallen Angel's in Buffy, so that's a bluff since the research wouldn't pan out and they would chalk it up to a bad dream.

"The Powers wanted you killed before you messed even more up." He continued. "I talked them into allowing me to talk to you first. See if there is any way to solve this."
Bullshit! :rofl:

"You have until I finish my cup to pack." He said before he shrugged, "Sorry kid. We are kinda in a hurry to catch the last bus out of here."
Wow, he's being played so badly it hurts to read. :mad:
 
Orrrr Taz was right about the Nevernever touching every plane and it really is a shared universe.
Nope, the Buffy Verse is very specific in that it isn't connected to anything like that.

All magic and supernatural stuff in the setting originates from something called the Seed of Wonder, which is basically something left over from the Beginning.
 
I dunno how I feel about Tazi knowing Whistler...it makes the crossover feel less alien and I feel like that is an important part of having one of the coins in this context
 
So MC is leaving Sunnydale? No more interactions with the main cast? Also still upset about derailing canon and making everything worse?

Okay, I think I'ma jump off that train before I become even more dissapointed.

Don't take this as criticism - this is a good sorry, just not my cup of tea, so to speak.
 
So MC is leaving Sunnydale? No more interactions with the main cast? Also still upset about derailing canon and making everything worse?

Okay, I think I'ma jump off that train before I become even more dissapointed.

Don't take this as criticism - this is a good sorry, just not my cup of tea, so to speak.
Give it a few more updates. I expect shenanigans.
 
Give it a few more updates. I expect shenanigans.

Even that wouldn't change the nature of a man this SI. He is way too... I don't know how to explain. Way too self criticising?.. He holds himself to much higher standart then he holds everyone else, 'with great power comes great responsibility' as he said, his power being his foreknowledge.

Sometimes I just want to reach though my monitor and smack him. Hard.

EDIT: But since me replying in this tread made it my 'watched' again, I might as well stick around for a while...
 
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Even if Fallen Angels existed in the setting so that Giles can find out, what the frack is Buffy going to do? Murder him on his sleep? They have absolutely no proof of himg being a 'Big Bad' beyond silly dreams, and the fact that he did something they should have done anyway.
 
Even if Fallen Angels existed in the setting so that Giles can find out, what the frack is Buffy going to do? Murder him on his sleep?

They don't need DF!Angels to exist to recognize the term and assume that he's a demon possessed kid executing some kind of plan. Which is entirely true, you know?

And why not? I'm pretty sure Buffy would go to someone's house to stake them if they were a vampire threatening her friends, and he did just kill Angel in front of her.
 
They don't need DF!Angels to exist to recognize the term and assume that he's a demon possessed kid executing some kind of plan. Which is entirely true, you know?
Except none of their methods to prove it would work since she isn't actually a demon or even demonic in nature.

Hell there wouldn't even be any research to support Fallen Angel = Evil in Buffy because they don't exist there. So all they would have is that there is some guy who might be sharing head space with a Fallen Angel and hasn't actually done anything evil or even bad.

And why not? I'm pretty sure Buffy would go to someone's house to stake them if they were a vampire threatening her friends, and he did just kill Angel in front of her.
And he's human, if she murders him in his sleep she goes to jail for a really really long time given her previous record.
 
They don't need DF!Angels to exist to recognize the term and assume that he's a demon possessed kid executing some kind of plan. Which is entirely true, you know?

And why not? I'm pretty sure Buffy would go to someone's house to stake them if they were a vampire threatening her friends, and he did just kill Angel in front of her.
Meh meh.
If they investigate, they will know about the Denarians, and that if he /is/ possessed not only is he is out of their league. But that it's just as likely for him to be an innocent guy that took the coin. That is, if there is any proof that he has been possessed. Which they don't have.

Even then, has he done or is planning anything EBIL they could blame him for? Has Buffy ever killed an innocent guy? A /human/?

And well, I know Buffy has a hard-on for big bad dead boys that like genocide as a pastime. But that was Angelus, not Angel, and IIRC they didn't even knew he could be re-souled by then.
 
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Meh meh.

If the investigate, they will know about the Denarians, and that if he /is/ possessed not only is he is out of their league. But that it's just as likely for him to be an innocent guy that took the coin. That is, if there is any proof that he has been possessed. Which they don't have.
The Denarians don't exist in the Buffy verse, so researching wouldn't get them anything.
 
If the investigate, they will know about the Denarians, and that if he /is/ possessed not only is he is out of their league. But that it's just as likely for him to be an innocent guy that took the coin. That is, if there is any proof that he has been possessed. Which they don't have.

I figure if they research, the most likely result is going to be information about demon possession, which will probably tell them it's always dangerous and you can't save the person or whatever.

I mean the visions are being set up by a Balance Demon as a threat, so of course it'll paint him in the worst possible light and set him up to fight Buffy.
 
I figure if they research, the most likely result is going to be information about demon possession, which will probably tell them it's always dangerous and you can't save the person or whatever.

I mean the visions are being set up by a Balance Demon as a threat, so of course it'll paint him in the worst possible light and set him up to fight Buffy.
And... why would he fight?

Would Buffy go and try to stake him just like that, without any proof besides her dreams? Is Hiver just supposed to stand still and be killed if that happens? Is Buffy going to murder someone that does /not/ wants to fight?

Also, he still has time to go meet the Scoobys. "Hello, sorry for killing your genocidal dead boyfriend yesterday after he tried to end the world. In halloween I got a couple thousand years of experiences fighting demons along some knowledge of the future and, you know, Apocalypses aren't good."

And... How are they going to prove that he is possessed?

According to
The Denarians don't exist in the Buffy verse, so researching wouldn't get them anything.
They are even more fucked since they literally have no way to detect her. If a circle, splashing him with holy water, and a few other things Giles can come up show all as false. Well, what are they going to do?

Slayer dreams can be prophetic, yes. But considering they have no proof. Would they kill an innocent man before he gets possessed in base of a dream?
 
Wouldn't kill a vampire, but I bet a bullet to the face would slow it down enough for me to use the stake in my other pocket. It would be interesting to see if the crosses I'd scratched into the bullets would have any

By that standard of logic, swords would not work on vampires either. A more accurate way of stating it is that small bullets designed to make living creatures die of blood loss won't kill something that does not bleed.

But that doesn't make guns useless. A high caliber gunshot to the neck will frequently decapitate a human. If that doesn't dust a vampire, then beheading one with a sword wouldn't either -- and we know swords DO work that way.

But you wouldn't need to kill a vampire with a gun. Kneecaps are vulnerable spots, and it's hard to catch a running human when you can't even stand.

Also, that cross thing on the bullets? Don't. The idea is enough to make anyone who knows guns wince. The Catholic church once tried something similar, to see if guns were suitable for God's servants, or if they were tools of Satan. They hired a master gunsmith to make two guns as close to identical as possible. Into one, they loaded a standard bullet and regular gunpowder. The other was carefully consecrated by a team of priests, the powder was made using blessed water, and the bullet was cast out of purest silver, then inscribed with crosses.

When they had an expert marksman wield the first gun, he shot a bullseye. Then they had a priest, who had been trained for only a couple weeks shoot the holy gun. Not only did he entirely miss the target, they never found the bullet. Any modern student of ballistics could tell you why, and it wasn't Satan. But the church banned guns because the blessed version wasn't better.

I stared at her for a long moment and then shook my head, getting up."I know what you are doing. Humanizing yourself for me. I don't need your bullshit right now so put your shovel away. I need to figure out what to do now."

And he continues to damn himself. Choosing to be an evil, hateful person, who will ignore suffering because his heart is hard as stone is only going to end up in one place. Christ preached compassion for a reason, after all.

Tragically, he's still letting Taziel define him. Pushing so hard at "don't let her steer me" that the need to be contrary is, itself, steering him.

Exactly. He's so convinced she ALWAYS lies, that it allows her to manipulate him like a puppet. Just apply a touch of reverse psychology, and he will obey her every command. Well, assuming she's actually the hellbitch he thinks she is, anyway.

All he really knows about her is she was imprisoned forever, that she rebelled against God, and that Lucifer didn't want her in hell. Yeah, she may be a monster. Probably IS a monster. But those facts would also allow for a true champion of goodness, who DARED to stand up to God when she thought he was going too far.

Knowing he does the opposite of what she says, if she were a monster she would advise him towards goodness -- knowing he would then do the opposite, and damn himself.

The thing is, she doesn't talk much, aside from telling him things he needs to know. That actually argues against monster, because she's NOT advising him towards specific paths.

are no Fallen Angel's in Buffy, so that's a bluff since the research wouldn't pan out and they would chalk it up to a bad dream.

Just because none appeared on camera, does not mean none exists. I seem to recall a statement in one episode about everything but leprechauns being real.
 
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It is really hard to behead something with a sword, some random shmuck would need at least 3 swings and the victim would probably look like nearly headless nick from harry potter. Just some random info btw. ^^
 
Maybe its time to go take out Kakistos, and maybe Trick. Then he would have an in with Faith and her Watcher.
 
I'm thinking some real crossover shenanigans are about to begin. I will say this: let's hope the SI takes things seriously and starts training his ass off. He's going to need to be in peak physical condition if he has any hope of utilizing the Doomslayer's abilities to kick ass and stay alive. He doesn't have Vampire speed, strength, or durability.
You're asking a Hiver SI that supposedly knows enough about the Denarians to know they're bad news but is letting himself be played ridiculously badly by going so opposite of what she's saying/doing that soon enough she'll pull a 'Rabbit Season Duck Season FIRE!' on him, a guy who instead of hiding during Halloween and NOT getting involved became the DoomSlayer, one of the handful of people who would be recognizable to all demons everywhere forever (Rather than say, the guy who managed to twist the shadow of a Denarian in the first place, like a smart guy would), a guy who's paranoia would make conspiracy nuts in Shadowrun shake their heads in pity rather than just talk about the problem...or remember that the PTBs literally force things to work out the way they want to, to work out because it might help.

The bus for him being able to help himself is so far gone, its on Olympus Mons.
 
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